DBZ: Ultimate Blast/Tenkaichi (Pre-Release Discussion)

[Thanos]

Yeah, it seems like the idea is making it more 'simple' and 'streamlined'. But it just seems like they're gutting any complexity that most detractors of these games aren't aware of existing in the first place.

The game's pros:
Character Creation
Nice graphics
New story animations
Boss characters

Cons:
Character Creation is extremely limited to race, gender and customization
Diminutive character roster
Bizarre character omissions
Lack of individuality
Quick-Time Events identical between characters
Camera is a mess


The cons trump the pros by a leaps and bounds. The QTE are what really put me off from Budokai 3.

[AceSharp]

I've got to admit, whether he fought or not, not having Base Teen Gohan is just absolutely ridiculous.

I don't mind small character rosters but this game's selection is just ridiculous. What's the point of SSJ4 Gogeta and Omega being playable if no other GT Characters are? No Goku/Vegeta as Super Saiyan 4? Just leave it out all together and stick it in a sequel!

Guldo might be pointless, but why just leave him out? Only having 4 members of the Ginyu Force is just another reason this game is going to feel so incomplete, especially seeing as all the character models already exist.

The boss fights, while they look cool, seem to be slow, clunky and repetitive.

There's so many details where I find myself simply asking... Why???

[mysticboy]

I feel that if they were going to exclude base forms that didn't fight, exclude base Future Trunks as well. And they should have Saiyan saga Vegeta as Vegeta's base form.

[Furu]

I feel that if they were going to exclude base forms that didn't fight, exclude base Future Trunks as well. And they should have Saiyan saga Vegeta as Vegeta's base form.

Exactly! It's 2011 and we can't figure out ways to make Vegeta all one dude? Come on!

And it really comes back to all the half-assed GT stuff and Cui instead of relevant Z characters like Goten and Kid Trunks. The mind boggles. It's not the size of the roster for me so much as who's in it.

[Rukura]

In addition to all the already discussed losses, like Goten, Kid Trunks, Chaozu, Gurd, Base Gohan, practically every teen Gohan, etc. We also lost SS2 Vegeta, most of Broli's forms and even Gotenks Buu...pathetic.

BTW,

Animated cut-scenes - Youtube...
Huge boss battles - Cool, I guess...
Character creator - Never interested in the first place...
Awesome looking story - Which I have read, watched and played how many times now? Not even close to being important to me. I may rent the game to play through the Hero Mode and see what they did with that giant What-If tough... $2 is better than $60.

While i do agree with you that the roster is shit, when taking into consideration that we've SEEN how everyone plays the damn same (more so than Meteor, which had...more than twice the characters) the Character Creator still negates that loss a little.
Because if 80% of what we're missing are male saiyans...that's exactly what we can make. Since we do have SSJ4 Gogeta, we might be able to make Goku with little to no difference...all we need is to give him a red KamehameHa and the Dragon Fist

[Furu]

I'm only happy about the character creator because I hope it's the start of a movement towards custom character stuff in anime fighting games.

Only being able to make male saiyans kind of kills the interest for me personally.

[Rukura]

I'm only happy about the character creator because I hope it's the start of a movement towards custom character stuff in anime fighting games.

Only being able to make male saiyans kind of kills the interest for me personally.

Yeah, i think it was really stupid of them to do that.
I was kinda hoping we would see Spike own up to what we've seen in DBO and Heroes and have Humans, Saiyans, Nameks, Majins and Freeza's clan...oh, well

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Is Goku hairstyle for CaC confirmed to be or not to be in the game?

[Rukura]

Is Goku hairstyle for CaC confirmed to be or not to be in the game?

Bardock's has been shown. The difference is that Bardock's hairstyle includes the red bandana...so i'm guessing it's there as well

[Titan]

Why is everyone so pissed about the character roster?
Animated cut-scenes
Huge boss battles
Character creator
Awesome looking story

Why?Because the character roster is a joke.
Characters like Bojack,Super 13, Super 17 or Uub are out of the game,but saibamen, cell jr or Cui are in the game.

1-Animated cut-scenes
I have watched them many times in the anime,furthermore, i don't buy a videogame to see animated cut-scenes.


2-Character creator

It is not a Character creator,it is a sayajin character creator extremely limited.

No I can't and don't want to take it anymore. 4 years of adding and removing characters every time...not with me anymore

Add me in.I'm done with DBZ games.

That is actually a reason why the Cac isn't as in-depth as it is. The guy I talked to the guy about the Cac beings o limited pretty much said they are saving up for the next game if this does well.

They are always saving for the next game like the costumes or a big roster.

This BS doesn't work anymore,at least with me.
This franchise needs new producers and CyberConnect2.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

....Gosh, you guys are acting like a spoiled child. So what if a few characters are omitted? The majority of main characters from previous game are still in this game. You can't always expect this game to be exactly like Meteor in HD where the roster are packed with too much characters. If you want to play Goten, Trunks, Gohan, SSJ4 Goku and SSJ4 Vegeta, they have them in Meteor. Even all Budokai series never had this much roster as the Sparking! series, which is a good thing since the majority of Meteor roster are very flat.

This new game offers something new which we never have had before. You'd have to sacrifice something to gain something, so they did in order to create Hero mode, which looks cool, in my opinion. Not to mention they have gone back to Budokai 3's story mode which we all have adored so much.

You should at least take a look at the game yourself and see what you think of it once it comes out in the store. But right now you shouldn't jump to conclusion just because of the few omitted characters.

[MCDaveG]

Well, I will wait for the next game then If there will be any after this debacle........ But I will buy it - after some half year that it'll be on the shelves.
I won't pay full price for it, no way. It's like f**king Final Bout but on the next gen.

And I can asure Spike the for me to be lucky, I don't need anything awesome. Raging Blast 3 with story mode and bigger roster then it's predecessors + toss up some extra modes.
Since these experiments always ends in shit, I will bet on classic model.

[goku the krump dancer]

No! I say we dont give Spike any money and let them regret their continuous mistakes for the remainder of the company's existence.

[MCDaveG]

Newsfeed from Europe (from interview):
note: answers are provided by Tony Shoupinou, French community manager in Namco Bandai Games

‎2 - Can we expect some DLC to improve the game content, like new attack's, costumes, mission, etc ... ?
Answer : Tony Shoupinou confirmed that when you lunch the game, it check for updates online so we can expect some DLC for this game but that's not confirmed yet.

3 - In the video of the opening of the game, the producers announced that CHA-LA HEAD CHA LA song will be the main theme of it, can we expect the same thing for the european countries ?
Answer : Yes, Head Cha La it's indeed the intro music even in European countries and you can play it during the battle.

4 -Can we transform further than the SSJ form with a created character ?
Answer : No only the Super Sayan state is available for the created character.

5- We have seen a huge list of moves in the videos of the characters creation but we are able to choose only two of them during a fight, can we expect some special moves like false courage ?
Answer : No, like we saw on the videos only two attacks are available and you can choose only special attacks that cause damage to the opponent.

6 - What route do you plan to take with the following DBZ games after UT? Carrying on with trying to get a good fighting engine in 3D? Or in 2D? Or maybe a whole different genre, like an RPG?
Answer : Tony told us if this game make some good sell's they will keep this base and improve it with a new gameplay and more characters

7 - What can we expect about the online mode ?
Answer : Same modes like Raging Blast 2

8- Why can't we have the same stages like the anime for each single fight ?
Answer : Don't answered.

9 - When will WE HAVE finally a in walking and proper running animations in the db games?
Why haven't we had them yet and what is the challenge?
The Naruto series has them so why not the db games? I mean they didn't always FLOAT in the anime.
Answer : The animations of Dragon Ball requires different animations than Naruto.

10- Can we expect a HD Collection of the budokai or Tenkaichi games ?
Answer : Probably not.

11 - Can we expect to create Male/Female Saiyajins, Aliens (like Freezer and Cell) Characters and Namek Characters in the next DBZ Game?
Answer : This idea has been given by me to Tony Shoupinou and he will give it to the producers and try to improve the next game with it.

12 - Can we expect in the next DBZ Game Cell Shading Anime Graphic like the Ultimate Ninja Storm Series?
Answer : Maybe yes, Treevax and Tony talked a lot about this.

13- Does each Characters have their own Unique Moves, Animations and Attacks?
Answer : All the characters have different combat animations and unique Ultimate and Special Attacks , but the QTE combos are all the same for every single character in the game.

14- In the last interview with Spike and Ban Dai developpers announced that the scream's of the transformation were on this game but we didn't had any confirmation of it, can you tell me if they corrected this point on the game ?
Answer : No we tested the final version of the game and no scream, they closed the mouth of the chars during the transformation...

15 - Can we expect for the next game of DBZ to have in game cutscenes with epic transformations ? And an option to active or desactivate them
Answer : This idea has been given by me to Tony Shoupinou and he will give it to the producers and try to improve the next game with it.

16 -Can we expect a game of the Dragon Ball saga for the next gen ?
Answer : Answer : This idea has been given by me to Tony Shoupinou and he will give it to the producers.

17 - Wil we have in the next Year two new Developers to produce a DBZ Game like it was said in the Japan Expo Interview from Bandai Sama and Spike.co''?
Answer : Tony didn't knew the answer about this question.

18 - 'How will the combat really work? it seems like it is only qte but it also seems like it isnt the whole thing''!
Answer : When you reach a 5 combo strike with punch or Kikoha, the QTE is activated, so it's lot and lot of QTE and it's very boring if you play it with friends ...

19 - When will we be able in a future DBZ game to select our costumes for our created characters by selecting separate pieces instead of the whole costume?
Answer : This idea has been given by me to Tony Shoupinou and he will give it to the producers and try to improve the next game with it.

20-In the character mode can we change Hair and/or tail colour for transformations in UT or future games if possible?
Answer : And UT you are able to change the hair color like you want but not for the tail.

22 - Are there any plans to create a system allowing close-quaters-combat exchanges making it possible for players to attack and defend melee with more depth? This would also continue development of a DBZ simulator as many fights in the show displayed this. Like, any time Goku and Vegeta battled each other. The past titles have been more of one player pummeling the other until they could vanish, escape the combo, or suffer the full force.
Answer : This idea has been given by me to Tony Shoupinou and he will give it to the producers and try to improve the next game with it.

23 - Are there any plans to make the AI more challenging? In RB2, not many of the characters with transformations ever transformed even when being out-classed in all areas of combat.
Answer : That question has not been asked but we said that the IA it's indeed stupid and Tony wrote this for the next game.

24 - Many times in DBZ (anime, specials, and movies) there are characters, heroes and villians, fighting multiple opponents at once. Would it be possible to create a way to bring that feeling of the anime to any future titles? It would be similar to Dragonball Z Legends. And is it in any of your plans to explore co-op options? (same system, system link, online or team battles with simultaneous matchups with a targeting ability)
Answer : This idea has been given by me to Tony Shoupinou and he will give it to the producers and try to improve the next game with it.

25 - Will battle power of the characters make a difference with any of the matches? Story or Versus modes?
Answer : No , but we said that we would like to have an RPG system more developped and to make that the Power Level will make the difference between the fightes but only in HERO and STORY Mode.

26 - The ultimate or special attacks are only made with cutscenes ?
Answer : Yes.

27 - Will we able too use the anime costumes/colors too in UT?
Answer : No.

28 - The fans are very disapointed about the character roaster why did we have only 41 characters this year and only two special ones for the next gen ( Li Shenron and Gogeta SSJ4 ), can we expect some DLC to improve that number ?
Answer : Even Tony was not able to give us the reason of that, he saw that the roaster was disliked by many fans and he will try to give that information to the producers.

29 - Hatchiyack was a very good character in Raging Blast 2 can we expect to see him again in the next game ?
Answer : Maybe in a next game but not in this one for sure

The source and guy who made this interview is Anthony Gallon:
''I'm invited to the community meeting on 7 October in Paris and I will be able to film and to ask any question about Dragon Ball Ultimate Tenkaichi, so don't hesitate to post your questions here and I will ask them during the meeting ''

[goku the krump dancer]

I love how Spike is assuming that they'll make enough money for another game. The thing is they might end up taking my $60 anyway because I'm not really into Gamefly and BlockBuster is damn near extinct, plus I still kinda wanna play this game. See Spike didnt give out a demo for this game for a reason, they knew people would be upset and consider not buying it once they found out the shit we know now, and they didnt want people mastering the combos after just a few playthroughs like they did with RB2 demo. So if some one wanted to even just test the game out they would have to buy it, well atleast in my case.

[Rukura]

You'd have to sacrifice something to gain something

I can agree with the character stuff because, for the most part, we'll be able to make them ourselves......But why don't we see the "sacrifice" logic applied in other series of games? And not just anime-based games. The logic i keep seeing is "bigger and better" and not "we'll give you more of the same, but different and maybe an improvement or two"...

I guess the major problem comes back to the fact that...they all play the same...again. And if they do play the same, where's the difficulty in having the same roster as we've had in a game that, not only was on a previous generation system, but also took up less space than we have in this generation.

Personally, i'm getting the special edition. I'm digging the boss battles, mini-games, character creation and new animation (despite being aware that new animation should not be a selling point for a game) and the Gohan figure which ironically ISN'T in the game either. The real gameplay of the game is gonna get old really fast though.

"Dragon Ball: Budokai Heroes" by Dimps. Make it happen, Namco.

I love how Spike is assuming that they'll make enough money for another game.

Oh, i know, right? They think they can afford pulling punches on this one when Raging Blast 1 outsold 2 lol

[Rukura]

I apologize for double posting, but i needed to point this out:

9 - When will WE HAVE finally a in walking and proper running animations in the db games?
Why haven't we had them yet and what is the challenge?
The Naruto series has them so why not the db games? I mean they didn't always FLOAT in the anime.
Answer : The animations of Dragon Ball requires different animations than Naruto.

WHY?! Why compare a Dragon Ball game to a Naruto game, when you can compare it to a game made by the SAME COMPANY? In Dragon Ball Zenkai Battle Royal, made by SPIKE, the characters DO run on the ground and still fly.

Comparing to Naruto is like asking to have the entire question shot down with no real answer.

[MCDaveG]

This set of questions was created from fans requests, so you should ask those individuals.
Defferent people, different opinions

But well, without comparing, I somtimes wondered back in BT3, that they can improve it on the next gen.
When you tap on the floor, the character can walk like in Budokai, not staying and then howering weirdly.
Yeah, Naruto games are completely different thing, but I don't see this as impossible task.

[Rukura]

This set of questions was created from fans requests, so you should ask those individuals.
Defferent people, different opinions

But well, without comparing, I somtimes wondered back in BT3, that they can improve it on the next gen.
When you tap on the floor, the character can walk like in Budokai, not staying and then howering weirdly.
Yeah, Naruto games are completely different thing, but I don't see this as impossible task.

I get that, but we've seen how they do run in Zenkai Battle Royal...which is made by the same company and it is a Dragon Ball game, so clearly they can do it... Why the hell don't they do it here? And the question was left unanswered, because whoever asked it compared it to the Naruto games, that have a totally different gameplay style and a different company making them...

[Titan]

11 - Can we expect to create Male/Female Saiyajins, Aliens (like Freezer and Cell,Majin Buu),Demons(Dabura,Janemba) Human Characters and Namek Characters in the next DBZ Game?


12 - Can we expect in the next DBZ Game Cell Shading Anime Graphic like the Ultimate Ninja Storm Series?

19 - When will we be able in a future DBZ game to select our costumes for our created characters by selecting separate pieces instead of the whole costume?

24 - Many times in DBZ (anime, specials, and movies) there are characters, heroes and villians, fighting multiple opponents at once. Would it be possible to create a way to bring that feeling of the anime to any future titles? It would be similar to Dragonball Z Legends. And is it in any of your plans to explore co-op options? (same system, system link, online or team battles with simultaneous matchups with a targeting ability)


29 - Hatchiyack was a very good character in Raging Blast 2 can we expect to see him again in the next game ?

These five points should be part of this game.

17 - Wil we have in the next Year two new Developers to produce a DBZ Game

I hope so,Spike and Dimps must go.This franchise needs fresh blood.

DBZ Tenkaichi 3 was the most successful dbz game.

After BT2 and BT3, every single thing Spike did was a downgrade despite the fact that people constantly said they want a BT3 HD or BT4.

Bring CyberConnect2 to do it.