FUNimation DBZ TV Blu-ray Official On-Going Thread

[SSJMan]

I could explain video compression to you but I'm sure you would find some way to say I'm wrong. So I will show you the facts and its very simple. 29837kb is the files bit rate = 29.1377mb adding 10mb would be 1/3 of the file size adding a one more disk witch could give it 1/2 of extra space. that is more then what is needed. Its common sense.
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Now leave it alone. end of story.

It's not the end of the story because you are wrong.

You say you are a professional, so do the math.

You do the math correctly. it's elementary. I have shown you. I will not Respond to another one of your comments about this subject. So dont try. You have explained what you think already.

[nathantheguitarist]

You do the math correctly. it's elementary. I have shown you. I will not Respond to another one of your comments about this subject. So dont try. You have explain what you think already.

Are you even counting the audio? Let's see your math, professional. Enlighten the shit out of us. Please.

[DanielGClapp]

Are you even counting the audio? Let's see your math, professional. Enlighten the shit out of us. Please.

Love this! I think I'll sig it!

[SSJMan]

You do the math correctly. it's elementary. I have shown you. I will not Respond to another one of your comments about this subject. So dont try. You have explain what you think already.

Are you even counting the audio? Let's see your math, professional. Enlighten the shit out of us. Please.

I shown the picture. Its the enter video file(and yes that includes audio). If you read my comments you will see I have done the easiest way of explaining because it relay is just common sense.

[nathantheguitarist]

I shown the picture. Its the enter video file. and if you read my comments you will see I have done the easiest way of explaining because it relay is Its common sense.

That's just the Windows file properties viewer. You can put a little more effort into it, if you don't mind. It's not common sense. Not everyone gets to mess with this sort of stuff all day. That's why we need smart people to explain things.

[SSJMan]

I shown the picture. Its the enter video file. and if you read my comments you will see I have done the easiest way of explaining because it relay is Its common sense.

That's just the Windows file properties viewer. You can put a little more effort into it, if you don't mind. It's not common sense. Not everyone gets to mess with this sort of stuff all day. That's why we need smart people to explain things.

It dose not matter. The reason I used windows is to find the average.

[dagame10k]

If the Compressionist couldn't get an almost artifact free transparent encode with a peak bit rate of 29Mbits with h.264, I would question the competence of the Compressionist Funimation has on staff. I doubt a company like FUNimation would have a skilled dedicated Compressionist.

[SSJMan]

If the Compressionist couldn't get an almost artifact free transparent encode with a peak bit rate of 29Mbits with h.264, I would question the competence of the Compressionist Funimation has on staff. I doubt a company like FUNimation would have a skilled dedicated Compressionist.

Its posable. But cinema craft hd encoder Is one of the best (if not the best) encoders on the market And from what I hear it's pretty idiot proof. It would be hard to screw it up. For example when I do wedding videos, at night they are taken with very poor lighting, there is a lot of grain. If I to not remove the grain or put it on a larger disk I will see all the artifacts that are present.

[MarcFBR]

I shown the picture. Its the enter video file. and if you read my comments you will see I have done the easiest way of explaining because it relay is Its common sense.

That's just the Windows file properties viewer. You can put a little more effort into it, if you don't mind. It's not common sense. Not everyone gets to mess with this sort of stuff all day. That's why we need smart people to explain things.

Don't worry about it Nathan. He doesn't seem to understand it isn't showing him a proper average. We've both said it, he's wrong. We've both tried to correct him. Some people just can't accept being wrong.

If he's right he can give us actual evidence and not just a right click properties view that says the video is 23fps instead of 23.976fps and shows nothing for audio.

[Mountain]

I suppose we should rename this "The Technical Arguing Thread".

Anyhow, to get back on topic, I must say that I'm very impressed with what FUNimation has done here. The amount of grain that was left intact is unbelievable, and the image looks great. Since I am collecting the Dragon Boxes, the lack of Japanese titles and NEPs are of little concern to me, though it is disappointing, in and of itself. This is the first time that I've ever been excited by FUNi's own work, and the future looks great for the company and the franchise. Of course, I'm still curious to hear the Japanese audio track.

[MarcFBR]

I suppose we should rename this "The Technical Arguing Thread".

Anyhow, to get back on topic

It's on topic in the sense of 'if/could it be improved'

[SSJMan]

It's not the end of the story because you are wrong.

You aren't using a proper bitrate viewer to see the rates. From your image you are using the Windows Properties viewer. It's not showing you the AVERAGE bitrate. It's just showing you a 'generic high point.'

The actual bitrate is likely closer to 20.

You say you are a professional, so do the proper math.

First you say its closer to 20

I shown the picture. Its the enter video file. and if you read my comments you will see I have done the easiest way of explaining because it relay is Its common sense.

That's just the Windows file properties viewer. You can put a little more effort into it, if you don't mind. It's not common sense. Not everyone gets to mess with this sort of stuff all day. That's why we need smart people to explain things.

Don't worry about it Nathan. He doesn't seem to understand it isn't showing him a proper average. We've both said it, he's wrong. We've both tried to correct him. Some people just can't accept being wrong.

If he's right he can give us actual evidence and not just a right click properties view that says the video is 23fps instead of 23.976fps and shows nothing for audio.

Now you say I need to include audio. That would completely go against your first argument. If you were right there would be even more room to kill on the disk. The audio does not discount what I have already said. By the way I took up One losses stereo track takes up 842mb . Audio bit rates dont take up what is allowed for video bit rates. There will still be extra room if they had 3 discs make the video 40mb with all 3 tracks.

[MarcFBR]

First you say its closer to 20

First I say it's closer to 20... then? You never said the next part.

Now you say I need to include audio. That would completely go against your first argument. If you were right there would be even more room to kill on the disk. The audio does not discount what I have already said. By the way I took up One losses stereo track takes up 842mb . Audio bit rates dont take up what is allowed for video bit rates. There will still be extra room if they had 3 discs make the video 40mb with all 3 tracks.

No, I said you need to show better proof than something that can't even scan the audio bitrate and isn't giving you an accurate video number, or an accurate framerate number.

As for audio, why all of a sudden are you giving exact filesizes instead of bitrate numbers?

You said 40Mbit/s for video. The total BD spec is 48, which wasn't what I was referring to.

What I'm saying is, with all that video and audio there literally ISN'T ENOUGH space to give a 40Mbit average, I'm not saying Blu-ray can't do higher. I'm saying with the specific amount of video you want, combined with 3 lossless audio tracks, there isn't enough actual data space to hit that number of 40.

[SSJMan]

First you say its closer to 20

First I say it's closer to 20... then? You never said the next part.

Now you say I need to include audio. That would completely go against your first argument. If you were right there would be even more room to kill on the disk. The audio does not discount what I have already said. By the way I took up One losses stereo track takes up 842mb . Audio bit rates dont take up what is allowed for video bit rates. There will still be extra room if they had 3 discs make the video 40mb with all 3 tracks.

No, I said you need to show better proof than something that can't even scan the audio bitrate and isn't giving you an accurate video number, or an accurate framerate number.

As for audio, why all of a sudden are you giving exact filesizes instead of bitrate numbers?

You said 40Mbit/s for video. The total BD spec is 48, which wasn't what I was referring to.

What I'm saying is, with all that video and audio there literally ISN'T ENOUGH space to give a 40Mbit average, I'm not saying Blu-ray can't do higher. I'm saying with the specific amount of video you want, combined with 3 lossless audio tracks, there isn't enough actual data space to hit that number of 40.

Because audio bit rats do not effect what is allowed on video bit rate. Its more like how much space it would take up on the disk and with the amount of space left find out how much bit rate you can get out of the video. This is what we do know with 2 50 gb discs we are able to get 1 loss less stereo track, 1 loss less 5.1 and one nicely compressed mono Japanese track, with video bit rate of about 30. Adding a another 50gb disk (which is a another half of the space) and all your going to do is add a another 10mb to video track. Then yes it can be done.

[MarcFBR]

Because audio bit rats do not effect what is allowed on video bit rate. Its more like how much space it would take up on the disk and with the amount of space left find out how much bit rate you can get out of the video. This is what we do know with 2 50 gb discs we are able to get 1 loss less stereo track, 1 loss less 5.1 and one nicely compressed mono Japanese track, with video bit rate of about 30. Adding a another 50gb disk (which is a another half of the space) and all your going to do is add a another 10mb to video track. Then yes it can be done.

And I'm telling you the Windows property viewer does not properly average out the file. It's not 30. Get a proper bitrate scanner and scan the file on the BD. I expect it'd come out around 24 or 25, perhaps even 20 itself.

[dagame10k]

If the Compressionist couldn't get an almost artifact free transparent encode with a peak bit rate of 29Mbits with h.264, I would question the competence of the Compressionist Funimation has on staff. I doubt a company like FUNimation would have a skilled dedicated Compressionist.

Its posable. But cinema craft hd encoder Is one of the best (if not the best) encoders on the market And from what I hear it's pretty idiot proof. It would be hard to screw it up. For example when I do wedding videos, at night they are taken with very poor lighting, there is a lot of grain. If I to not remove the grain or put it on a larger disk I will see all the artifacts that are present.

Being idiot proof doesn't mean that the bit rate is being used efficiently, it gives novices some useful simple options to give them some decent output.

A skilled Compressionist would get an almost artifact free transparent encode because they would know how to properly tweak the codec to maximize the benefit of the already high peak 29Mbit bit rate, max bit rate is overkill especially for an anime no matter how much grain it might contain.

I don't have these discs, don't know what the artifacts look like so I can't say how great, or average a job they did, don't plan on buying them. I would rather wait a few years, let Toei scan the original film 2k maybe 4k at most(less grain issues being first generation), though if this was the only HD release we would have ever gotten, based on the screen shots, it looks good especially considering FUNimation remastered their sources themselves and didn't ruin it DVD Orange brick style considering their sources are Multi-Generation Film copies.

[SSJMan]

Because audio bit rats do not effect what is allowed on video bit rate. Its more like how much space it would take up on the disk and with the amount of space left find out how much bit rate you can get out of the video. This is what we do know with 2 50 gb discs we are able to get 1 loss less stereo track, 1 loss less 5.1 and one nicely compressed mono Japanese track, with video bit rate of about 30. Adding a another 50gb disk (which is a another half of the space) and all your going to do is add a another 10mb to video track. Then yes it can be done.

And I'm telling you the Windows property viewer does not properly average out the file. It's not 30. Get a proper bitrate scanner and scan the file on the BD. I expect it'd come out around 24 or 25, perhaps even 20 itself.

When it comes to FPS yes. It would be off my a little because it only allows 2 numbers to show up, only the media player needs to know that. But if it where wrong about memory and space it tells you down to the dot how much. If the computer operating system does not know, than the computer does not run right.

[MarcFBR]

A skilled Compressionist would get an almost artifact free transparent encode because they would know how to properly tweak the codec to maximize the benefit of the already high peak 29Mbit bit rate, max bit rate is overkill especially for an anime no matter how much grain it might contain.

As I recall he gave a visual problem but never showed a screenshot with an obvious example of it after saying his statement. Now that you've brought this up perhaps he will share one.

[MarcFBR]

When it comes to FPS yes. It would be off my a little because it only allows 2 numbers to show up, only the media player needs to know that. But if it where wrong about memory and space it tells you down to the dot how much. If the computer operating system does not know, than the computer does not run right.

That is my point man. Windows Properties shows quick data, not accurate.

Grab a data scanner specifically for BD data and it'll show the proper bitrate.

[SSJMan]

If the Compressionist couldn't get an almost artifact free transparent encode with a peak bit rate of 29Mbits with h.264, I would question the competence of the Compressionist Funimation has on staff. I doubt a company like FUNimation would have a skilled dedicated Compressionist.

Its posable. But cinema craft hd encoder Is one of the best (if not the best) encoders on the market And from what I hear it's pretty idiot proof. It would be hard to screw it up. For example when I do wedding videos, at night they are taken with very poor lighting, there is a lot of grain. If I to not remove the grain or put it on a larger disk I will see all the artifacts that are present.

Being idiot proof doesn't mean that the bit rate is being used efficiently, it gives novices some useful simple options to give them some decent output.

A skilled Compressionist would get an almost artifact free transparent encode because they would know how to properly tweak the codec to maximize the benefit of the already high peak 29Mbit bit rate, max bit rate is overkill especially for an anime no matter how much grain it might contain.

I don't have these discs, don't know what the artifacts look like so I can't say how great, or average a job they did, don't plan on buying them. I would rather wait a few years, let Toei scan the original film 2k maybe 4k at most(less grain issues being first generation), though if this was the only HD release we would have ever gotten, based on the screen shots, it looks good especially considering FUNimation remastered their sources themselves and didn't ruin it DVD Orange brick style considering their sources are Multi-Generation Film copies.

Your right. Is possible that they did not put in the right settings. I dont think that is the case. But who knows maybe that is what happened.