FUNimation DBZ TV Blu-ray Official On-Going Thread

[samuraix123]

No, the only DBZ related trailer on this set is for Level 1.2.

Ah I see Thanks

[Kuwabara]

So the Broadcast track is still only in 2.0? That's really disappointing, wasn't it available in full 5.1 prior to the Season Sets? Shouldn't Blu-ray be able to handle two 5.1 tracks no problem? Oh well, maybe they can up the Broadcast track to 5.1 once Faulconer's music kicks in, I'm not really in any rush to hear Nathan Johnson's stuff in any form...

[jpdbzrulz4sure]

So the Broadcast track is still only in 2.0? That's really disappointing, wasn't it available in full 5.1 prior to the Season Sets?

Only in the ultimate uncut edition singles.

[Kuwabara]

Ah, you're right. I pulled out a random Cell Games single and it indeed only comes in Stereo and Mono. I guess I was thinking of the movie singles and the Ultimate Uncuts, both which had 5.1 Surround options in some form (With the exception of Lord Slug I think).

[jpdbzrulz4sure]

I guess I was thinking of the movie singles and the Ultimate Uncuts, both which had 5.1 Surround options in some form (With the exception of Lord Slug I think).

Yeah, the movie 4 single only had a stereo dub, like the non-UUE TV series singles. However, I believe it was bumped up to 5.1 surround sound on the steelbooks, presumably to be consistent with the rest of the movies in that line of releases.

[Kuwabara]

I'm of the opinion that they should have scraped the Nathan Johnson score completely for these releases and just have English 5.1 and Japanese Mono until episode 68, wouldn't the video benefit as a result? Is there a following for the pre-Faulconer replacement score at all? Maybe they think it would be rude to Johnson...

[Pokewhiz7]

I'm of the opinion that they should have scraped the Nathan Johnson score completely for these releases and just have English 5.1 and Japanese Mono until episode 68, wouldn't the video benefit as a result? Is there a following for the pre-Faulconer replacement score at all? Maybe they think it would be rude to Johnson...

It's Blu-Ray, I'm sure there was still plenty of space left.

[Krycek7o2]

So the Broadcast track is still only in 2.0? That's really disappointing, wasn't it available in full 5.1 prior to the Season Sets? Shouldn't Blu-ray be able to handle two 5.1 tracks no problem? Oh well, maybe they can up the Broadcast track to 5.1 once Faulconer's music kicks in, I'm not really in any rush to hear Nathan Johnson's stuff in any form...

If they only have the original master in stereo, they'd have to remix the soundtrack to 5.1. Or like in many of FUNimation's audio mixes, upmix it to 5.1.
For those curious about the mono audio, I'm suspecting that it's a lossless version of the Dragon Box audio.

[Pokewhiz7]

For those curious about the mono audio, I'm suspecting that it's a lossless version of the Dragon Box audio.

Someone earlier in the thread said that it is.

[Puto]

No "suspecting," it blatantly is. You can tell because of the OPED not having optical-audio-artifacts (like they do on the singles or season sets, but not the Dragon Boxes).

[Pokewhiz7]

Huh. They're allowed to do that?

[Krycek7o2]

Huh. They're allowed to do that?

I'm sure they are. All those bullshit rumors about deals and all that is just that; rumors. We don't know what the real deal was with Toei and FUNimation. And we probably never will. What they can and can't do is something we won't know. This would also add evidence why the NEPS are missing on this set. They have the Japanese audio, but no English audio to go with them. And this being FUNi, they are no going to dub 290 NEPs just for this release.

[Puto]

Except they DID dub NEPs for the dub, at least for Season 3+ -- they aired them on TV.

[Pokewhiz7]

But not seasons 1 and 2, which is why they probably don't have them on the bricks/Dragon Boxes/BDs.

[VegettoEX]

Just want to pop in and say that "rumor" is *NOT* the right word to use when referring to conversations that I personally have with other folks on my podcast and write in my reviews with regard to what is in specific contracts.

None of what we say is, "Oh, I heard this! / Yeah, well I heard this!" -- that would be "rumor" talk.

What we're talking about is EDUCATED GUESSES based on what we have experienced and learned over the years, combined with what we all do for a living and go through ourselves on a daily basis. I have written contracts, and I have signed contracts. Is it related to anime? No. Do I have a rough idea of how things work? Sure. Do I pretend to speak with complete authority on it? No.

When we talk about the legal perspective on this, we're considering what's gone down in the last couple years with FUNimation having legal spats with Faulconer Productions and Toei having head-in-the-sand-freakout moments with Yamamoto's score. Working under the assumption that Toei's contracts are as fierce and restricting as they usually are based on what we've learned over the years, it's a far safer bet to believe that FUNimation can't just take one audio track from one set and port it to another. Could they go back and renegotiate? Sure. Could it have actually been there in their contract from the start? Possibly. Would that be the first assumption anyone should make and just buy into it without questioning anything else first? Well, that would be crazy.

I'm not buying that the track on these Blu-ray sets is just the Dragon Box version, and for several reasons that you'll hear on the next podcast, and will read in the review. For starters, I hear a slight but distinct echo going on in the background when compared to the Dragon Box audio, which clearly implies to me that it's not just the same thing. Then you've got someone like Hujio who lives in the Dragon Box world, and didn't hear the *exact* same audio he's used to when viewing this set.

Have I gone in to do some crazy spectrum analysis? No. Am I using some basic logic, though? Well, I guess *I* think I am...

I'm open to further discussion, more in-depth analysis, and especially concrete answers on it. Until then, I think I'm describing and arguing from a more sound standpoint than anything else I've seen tossed out there.

[funrush]

But not seasons 1 and 2, which is why they probably don't have them on the bricks/Dragon Boxes/BDs.

Besides, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they construct their own NEP's and not the Japanese ones? Or am I just being stupid?

I think I've had too much Dbox for today.

[Pokewhiz7]

But not seasons 1 and 2, which is why they probably don't have them on the bricks/Dragon Boxes/BDs.

Besides, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they construct their own NEP's and not the Japanese ones? Or am I just being stupid?

I think I've had too much Dbox for today.

Some of them they did make I believe, but I think most of them were the Japanese ones.

[Krycek7o2]

But not seasons 1 and 2, which is why they probably don't have them on the bricks/Dragon Boxes/BDs.

Besides, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they construct their own NEP's and not the Japanese ones? Or am I just being stupid?

I think I've had too much Dbox for today.

Some of them they did make I believe, but I think most of them were the Japanese ones.

Now that's rather interesting if true.

[Ashura]

Some of them they did make I believe, but I think most of them were the Japanese ones.

Now that's rather interesting if true.

I've reconstructed some Funimation NEPs in my spare time, and I think a lot of the reason their NEPs are different is due to the fact that they edited out a lot of scenes from the episodes and thus removed those scenes from the NEPs and replaced them with similar ones.

[MajinVejitaXV]

Then you've got someone like Hujio who lives in the Dragon Box world, and didn't hear the *exact* same audio he's used to when viewing this set.

And I second this. If someone wants to provide a lossless clip of the Level 1.1 Japanese audio (I don't have a BD-ROM drive on my PC), I'll do an actual spectrum analysis for it and the corresponding DragonBox clip. My ears tell me it isn't the same audio though (and why would it be?).