FUNimation DBZ TV Blu-ray Official On-Going Thread

[Pokewhiz7]

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Dragon-Ba ... ray/26859/

[VegettoEX]

I'm also wondering about what you guys think about the various fan made remastering on youtube. There are quite a few channels that remaster certain scenes themselves into blue ray quality 1080p quality.

They're all pretty much objectively terrible.

Using consumer-grade software, no-one can reproduce the same genuinely high-definition transfer from physical film using whatever garbage digital source they have lying around at home. They're all essentially done with brightened colors and excessive smoothing to trick you into thinking "OH MAH GOD SHINY NEW PRETTY"... but the instant you rub your eyes and look a little closer, you notice how abysmal they are.

Not worth the time it takes to load them up on YouTube. Carry on with your day .

[Puto]

Usually those 'fan remasterings' on YouTube are just an upscale filter followed by warpsharp. Sometimes not even the latter. Seriously terrible.

[batistabus]

So apparently these fan remasterings are complete balls, but can someone link me to an example just so I can check one out anyway?

[Pokewhiz7]

So apparently these fan remasterings are complete balls, but can someone link me to an example just so I can check one out anyway?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYoojtBz2Eo

[funrush]

Yeah, and even the ones that don't look like crap are still nothing to the DBoxes and these Blurays.

[PuppetDoctor]

So apparently these fan remasterings are complete balls, but can someone link me to an example just so I can check one out anyway?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYoojtBz2Eo

That looks terrible! It is flat and it has lost all of its detailed. I don't know how to describe it but it looks like someone just put paint on the characters faces and smudged it (I know that is probably a bad description but its hard to explain).

[Krycek7o2]

So apparently these fan remasterings are complete balls, but can someone link me to an example just so I can check one out anyway?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYoojtBz2Eo

That looks terrible! It is flat and it has lost all of its detailed. I don't know how to describe it but it looks like someone just put paint on the characters faces and smudged it (I know that is probably a bad description but its hard to explain).

The better (worse?) ones are the uploaded that don't realize the difference between fullscreen and widescreen! Imagine all those shitty filters and in stretch-O-vision! Don't bother giving some minor criticism, an uploader harassed me for a month before I reported him to Youtube and got his channel taken down.

[Choujin Daizenshuu]

I have better standards than to stoop to watching anime on YouTube.

[Ashura]

They're all pretty much objectively terrible.

Using consumer-grade software, no-one can reproduce the same genuinely high-definition transfer from physical film using whatever garbage digital source they have lying around at home. They're all essentially done with brightened colors and excessive smoothing to trick you into thinking "OH MAH GOD SHINY NEW PRETTY"... but the instant you rub your eyes and look a little closer, you notice how abysmal they are.

Not worth the time it takes to load them up on YouTube. Carry on with your day .

While I agree that all of these are, well, pretty much shit, I think you're being a little misleading here.

It's less the consumer grade software and more the source and the people manipulating the footage. Resolution wise, you're just not going to get any more /detail/ by making it bigger and then sharpening + contrasting the hell out of it.

Having the same source as Funimation does, you could get comparable results in terms of cleanup and what have you using consumer grade software though. It may be less automatic in some areas, but you get what you pay for. Sometimes knowing lower-level processes can give you better results, too, but it's always up to whoever's hands it's in and their knowledge.

For SD DVD source that's old and possibly bad, you can also do some cleanup too. Upscaling it if you really wanted to. Fixing the jitter, color correction, deinterlacing/ivtc if nessessary, artifact cleanup, etc are all possible without being absolutely destructive. You can actually get good results if you know what you're doing... the problem is these sort of people have absolutely no idea what they're doing or attention for the detail in artwork, and sort of glob on filters like a whore does makeup.



Notice here how the cleanup and color correction removes the green color cast of the film, and then further adjusts the blues and skintones to compensate. The colors are more in line with the high quality stills presented in the Dragon Book, while respecting the luminosity and tone balance in the original Dragon Box footage... as well as the grain.

This was all done in Virtualdub and Avisynth, after calculating the curves adjustment required to remove the color cast in Photoshop.

It's never going to look more than an SD source master cleaned up or upscaled, but it's a bit of a misnomer that you can't make these look better on the consumer end, even with MPEG compressed DVDs. If Funimation did the reverse -- took these SD masters and tried to clean them up with professional grade equipment -- I doubt they could do too much more than what I've done or mentioned you can do, because, again, basic source resolution. I've found that the problem with working with footage like this on the consumer end product DVD is more the mpeg artifacting than anything else in general.

[Choujin Daizenshuu]

Sorry Ashura, but that last screencap looks so wrong!

[AgitoZ]

Having the same source as Funimation does, you could get comparable results in terms of cleanup and what have you using consumer grade software though. It may be less automatic in some areas, but you get what you pay for. Sometimes knowing lower-level processes can give you better results, too, but it's always up to whoever's hands it's in and their knowledge.

For SD DVD source that's old and possibly bad, you can also do some cleanup too. Upscaling it if you really wanted to. Fixing the jitter, color correction, deinterlacing/ivtc if nessessary, artifact cleanup, etc are all possible without being absolutely destructive. You can actually get good results if you know what you're doing... the problem is these sort of people have absolutely no idea what they're doing or attention for the detail in artwork, and sort of glob on filters like a whore does makeup.

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Notice here how the cleanup and color correction removes the green color cast of the film, and then further adjusts the blues and skintones to compensate. The colors are more in line with the high quality stills presented in the Dragon Book, while respecting the luminosity and tone balance in the original Dragon Box footage... as well as the grain.

This was all done in Virtualdub and Avisynth, after calculating the curves adjustment required to remove the color cast in Photoshop.

It's never going to look more than an SD source master cleaned up or upscaled, but it's a bit of a misnomer that you can't make these look better on the consumer end, even with MPEG compressed DVDs. If Funimation did the reverse -- took these SD masters and tried to clean them up with professional grade equipment -- I doubt they could do too much more than what I've done or mentioned you can do, because, again, basic source resolution. I've found that the problem with working with footage like this on the consumer end product DVD is more the mpeg artifacting than anything else in general.

Did you do that for just individual frames? As good as you might make these look it would be much different and more difficult having to clean up an entire episode instead.

[Ashura]

No, I did it to the entire episode... and will disclose the step by step methodology once I do more research into the prints and coloring. I'm on my phone so I can't link it, but look in the Dragonball first episode preview thread for footage from this project.

[Son Geeko]

So apparently these fan remasterings are complete balls, but can someone link me to an example just so I can check one out anyway?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYoojtBz2Eo

Ehhh... it doesn't look THAT bad (except for the flashback parts, those looked pretty terrible).

I've seen FAR worse IMO... like this one for example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOiq8KNf ... re=related

Although not ALL of them I've seen looked bad, I've seen a few (kinda) decent looking ones, like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydaJOEiV ... re=related

[samuraix123]

I just bought my First Blu-Ray player and Blu-ray(level 1.1) I know I'm going to get laughed at but why does the bottom of level 1.1 disc look like a dvd disc? I thought the bottom of the disc's were Blue?

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

I just bought my First Blu-Ray player and Blu-ray(level 1.1) I know I'm going to get laughed at but why does the bottom of level 1.1 disc look like a dvd disc? I thought the bottom of the disc's were Blue?

Blu-Ray = Blue Laser

[samuraix123]

I'm just talking about the color of the discs not the laser

[MajinVejitaXV]

I'm just talking about the color of the discs not the laser

And you got an answer. Blu-ray discs are still 'silver' on the bottom. The 'Blu' refers to the laser, not the disc.

[samuraix123]

Oh I'm sorry I didn't know that. But now I do

[MCDaveG]

It's damn simple: