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[DonieZ]

@MCDaveG, your idea about there being an unknown villain at the end is really good. And it works well with this character: P.S. May someone tell me how to insert pictures?


That character is Majin Ozotto, he can take the form of any character, and use any attack/movelist. Here is a link to a briefing of what he can do, formed by Monkey/SSJLuffy here, also from my group: http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_i ... 1873542859

I'm not sure where the character came from, I think from an arcade game awhile ago.

@Kid Trunks, yeah those Drama Pieces would get reallllly annoying, on another level. Especially when they would appear continously. They could have used that time on polishing up the ki system, or making online less laggy. Or other things.

[MCDaveG]

Well, ozotto sounds good, only if he will have different colour pallete, which is horrendous in that arcade game.
B ut I will rather prefer someone more uniqe and original, last time we got Hachihyakku and it didn't came out as epic as lot of people thought it will be.
In 90's there was whole RPG with whole new story and villains (except shadow warriors), interactive FMV game of the same story, completely animated and some VHS of cuted down material.
Now we got 20 minutes of the same old but castrated story and the final villain tossed in the roster, period. It's awesome the same way that Piccolo Daimao got into the Budokai 3.

[DonieZ]

Well, ozotto sounds good, only if he will have different colour pallete, which is horrendous in that arcade game.
B ut I will rather prefer someone more uniqe and original, last time we got Hachihyakku and it didn't came out as epic as lot of people thought it will be.
In 90's there was whole RPG with whole new story and villains (except shadow warriors), interactive FMV game of the same story, completely animated and some VHS of cuted down material.
Now we got 20 minutes of the same old but castrated story and the final villain tossed in the roster, period. It's awesome the same way that Piccolo Daimao got into the Budokai 3.

Ozzoto would be like the Seth of the game; insanely hard to beat. And yeah, they went and hyped up Hatchyack and co. when it wasn't anything special, and we could have done without that 30 min special. Really waste of time.

[VegettoEX]

And yeah, they went and hyped up Hatchyack and co. when it wasn't anything special, and we could have done without that 30 min special. Really waste of time.

Eh. Without the re-animated special and hyped up "forgotten" villain, Raging Blast 2 would have just been a cleaned-up version of the prior year's game. They did just about everything right with RB2 (new animation, characters that had never been playable before, try something other than a standard story mode, camera that somewhat worked again, play mechanics tightened up) -- it's just that no-one cares anymore.

So no, the special was not a waste of time -- it was exactly what the doctor ordered. It just... uhh... isn't that compelling of a story, unfortunately .

[DonieZ]

And yeah, they went and hyped up Hatchyack and co. when it wasn't anything special, and we could have done without that 30 min special. Really waste of time.

Eh. Without the re-animated special and hyped up "forgotten" villain, Raging Blast 2 would have just been a cleaned-up version of the prior year's game. They did just about everything right with RB2 (new animation, characters that had never been playable before, try something other than a standard story mode, camera that somewhat worked again, play mechanics tightened up) -- it's just that no-one cares anymore.

So no, the special was not a waste of time -- it was exactly what the doctor ordered. It just... uhh... isn't that compelling of a story, unfortunately .

I think you're giving RB2 a bit too much credit. It is still, as you said, a "yearly horse-shit"ed production. The did just about everything right? Did you even buy the damn game? It was pure ass. I mean, everything from the menu screen, to the music, to the lack of interaction, to the dull repetitive gameplay, to boring spoiled OVA was just bad. To top it off they gave us a wack replacement for story mode, an arcade mode; a bloody arcade mode, when this game is barely a fighting game?? I've said this before but it only emphasises the bloody repetitiveness. I was expecting some great sorta mode, I don't know, not something very similar to B2's main mode, but something different and creative. But no. What's the point of GM when you can just go and play versus against and with every bloody character in the game. To gather pictures???!!?

Damn, I really have a grudge against this game, I'm quite tempted to go and break it in half actually...

[VegettoEX]

Yes, I have the game. Yes, I spoke about it at length. Yes, I gave it an extremely lengthy review.

For an annualized game, yes, I think they did everything "right" that they could. What needed to be fixed from the disaster that was the first game was fixed. I'm *not* going to play ANOTHER game Raditz -> Buu (I have not and will not do it this year with Ultimate Tenkaichi), so they gave someone like me exactly what I wanted with the "Galaxy Mode" in Raging Blast 2.

Raging Blast 2 wasn't exactly a spectacle of gaming greatness, but if you're not going to be bothered to put coherent sentences together about it, this ain't the place for you. You seem to be... err... flying off the handle, irrational, and probably shouldn't be posting on a message board like this.

[Rory]

Damn, I really have a grudge against this game, I'm quite tempted to go and break it in half actually...

And here I was thinking I disliked Spike.

[DonieZ]

Damn, I really have a grudge against this game, I'm quite tempted to go and break it in half actually...

And here I was thinking I disliked Spike.

You have no idea ..


@EX, Yeah, I re-read my post and it seems it did come out, a bit irrational; sorry about that, seems I needed to get somethings off my chest. I guess, people simply like different things. You may have thought this game was a step-up from RB, but I thought it was more of a, diagonal step down in some cases (in most cases..). Including and re-drawing an OVA special may have been nice and thoughtful, but I didn't particularly enjoy it. Neither did I enjoy the music very much, like you I felt the best song was the theme song. I felt that the whole theme of the game was a bit dull, boring, lonely, and I especially disliked the main menu; it looked like a prototype of something else. No, I didn't mind not having another story mode when it's been retold the amount of times it has, but I also wasn't expecting GM. Maybe I would have liked the mode if I enjoyed playing the game? Maybe. The only step-up I saw in terms of gameplay was seemingly more fluid movement, but I don't really applaud it seeing as I'm not a fan of "floating". I also dislike that manual dashing is slow, and that it takes ki (though this is a gripe for another day..). I dislike robotic/plastic jumping, although this has been a problem for awhile. I disliked generic follow-up hits which seemed the same for every character, if you ignore different imputs.

There's a whole bunch of things I disliked. Most of all I disliked forcing myself to play the game. That's when you know something's bad, when you realise that you're actually forcing yourself to play, and trying hard to enjoy.

I guess I should end with this question: Is there anyone who hates RB2 and Spike as much as I do?

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

Is there anyone that isn't satisfied with DBZ games at the moment, and havent been for awhile? Is there anyone here thats favourite game isn't BT3

I haven't been pleased with a Dragonball game since BT3(that was four years ago); My favorite game to this day is still Budokai 3 from Dimps. They have been the best developers to handle the series in my opinion.

and is still waiting for a 3D DBZ game which grants competitive gameplay, as much as the 2D games did? Is there anyone who wishes a day when DBZ games could be entered into tournaments, and would be at a level that they could compete with the likes of Tekken, Street Fighter and all the other renowned fighter's of this generation?

Not really, I just want a fun Dragonball game that has both balanced and engaging gameplay and fun trivial tidbits that remind me why I love the series so much. I haven't had a Dragonball game to call my own since the PS3/360 generation started. Tournament fighters are great and all but I don't think Dragonball will ever get to that level; it's a very hard medium to break into.

Whether in 2D or in 3D? And is there anyone that wishes for the day when they can mention the next DBZ installment around a group of friends who aren't particularly interested in DBZ, and not be laughed at?

Are you kidding me? I'm not to worried about getting made fun of. Dragonball is a nostalgic franchise at this point and it really shows when you start to talk about the series in public. Hell I had a full blown conversation about the franchise with two of my managers on my lunch break. If you build the right game, people will flock; it's just no one is making the right game.

Is there anyone who doesn't care about the number of character's, or if there's a particularly long story mode, if one at all? Is there anyone who refuses to pay for mediocre titles every year, just because it has a DBZ label on it?

I haven't spent a penny on a DBZ game since Burst Limit just because I refuse to pay for the games we are getting these days. If you look at the competition, be it from other fighting games or games in general, you will see that the Dragonball franchise is a joke. You can lay down as many excuses as to why the games suck, or who is responsible but at the end of the day something has to change before I drop $60. If that means I'll never own a new game again, as much as that will suck, that's what I'm going to do.

As for a Story mode. You need to have one story mode or at least something engaging to explain who the characters are and what they are doing. Dialog boxes and brief summaries are not enough to engage older fans while striking an interest within newer players. Yes I know we've seen the story a million times but something has to be there. The best solution would be to create fun what if stories or branching stories off of the already existing lore. Something like Dragonball Online or Shin Budokai 2(though that could have been better). Hell if you really wanted to get the fans excited have the games be scripted by the guys who actually worked on the scripts for the show; getting Toriyama to do it would be better...but that won't happen.

Say "I" and tell me why. Tell me what you want instead...

I? I think you get my point.

[dbboxkaifan]

I'm not sure but if FUNimation has any authorization over the DBZ games, then they could re-release Dragon Ball Z: Burst Limit as "Dragon Ball Z Kai: Burst Limit" (just adding the Kai) to sell it as Dragon Ball Z Kai's official game.

There's Dragon Ball Kai Ultimate Butoden, but as a Kai game it doesn't make much sense because it goes up to Boo's arc and Kai did not. So, games like Burst Limit are Kai-ish, and BL has some impressing cutscenes/music and an enjoyable gameplay which would appeal to everyone.

Kai ended with Cell's arc not Boo, though it was nice to bring it up in a way. Maybe the Unofficial Boo Arc should use the BGM's from DBK:UB as it was the music officially made for the Boo arc (in this game, that is).

[DonieZ]

I haven't been pleased with a Dragonball game since BT3(that was four years ago); My favorite game to this day is still Budokai 3 from Dimps. They have been the best developers to handle the series in my opinion.

Not really, I just want a fun Dragonball game that has both balanced and engaging gameplay and fun trivial tidbits that remind me why I love the series so much. I haven't had a Dragonball game to call my own since the PS3/360 generation started. Tournament fighters are great and all but I don't think Dragonball will ever get to that level; it's a very hard medium to break into.

Are you kidding me? I'm not to worried about getting made fun of. Dragonball is a nostalgic franchise at this point and it really shows when you start to talk about the series in public. Hell I had a full blown conversation about the franchise with two of my managers on my lunch break. If you build the right game, people will flock; it's just no one is making the right game.

I haven't spent a penny on a DBZ game since Burst Limit just because I refuse to pay for the games we are getting these days. If you look at the competition, be it from other fighting games or games in general, you will see that the Dragonball franchise is a joke. You can lay down as many excuses as to why the games suck, or who is responsible but at the end of the day something has to change before I drop $60. If that means I'll never own a new game again, as much as that will suck, that's what I'm going to do.

As for a Story mode. You need to have one story mode or at least something engaging to explain who the characters are and what they are doing. Dialog boxes and brief summaries are not enough to engage older fans while striking an interest within newer players. Yes I know we've seen the story a million times but something has to be there. The best solution would be to create fun what if stories or branching stories off of the already existing lore. Something like Dragonball Online or Shin Budokai 2(though that could have been better). Hell if you really wanted to get the fans excited have the games be scripted by the guys who actually worked on the scripts for the show; getting Toriyama to do it would be better...but that won't happen.

I? I think you get my point.

I don't necessarily mean I'd like DB games to be able to enter such competition's, just that it would be good if people and reviewers would be able to say that DB x or y is as good as the top fighter's, seeing as these are fighting games they are making. Maybe it'd be better to say, that I'd like it if DB games could be rated in the top 10 in the near future (very near seeing as I'm losing interest..)

You're right, it is a nostalgic franchise at the moment, whenever I bring up DBZ with anyone who knows anything they smile in reverence, and says that was a good program. It's just that not many would take a DB game seriously. And whilst that's perfectly understandable, it's annoying that there's only a few people I could talk seriously to about the next installment. But I guess I am of the COD and whatever era.

I think the story of the series has been milked drier than the franchise, and being told worse; it needs to stop if you ask me unless they remove it, and work on it for a good couple years behind the scenes, otherwise they won't tell it well. They would need to replace the mode with something else though, an arcade mode similar to RB2's is just not what I'm in to (as if that previous comment didn't imply). I think such mode would need to have some interaction and liveliness, of any sort. Otherwise the game feels dead, and possibly lonely. If they're to continue making fighting games, they could easily make the main mode a World Tournament, and make a story out of it. I think I or MCDaveG may have already said something similar. Fighter's from around the Galaxy come and fight at the World Tournament (or you could say intergalactic tournament, and make "Other World" Tournament the battle field, so everybody's dead and fighting for eternity, you like? ^^), battling to see who's the strongest. In this mode they could make all new cutscenes, displaying rivalry between character's, and new scenes between others. And you could train in the HTC.
It would be a good mode, for the simple fact, that the voiceactors wouldn't be bored saying the same lines over and over.

I have alternatives, and other ideas for such a mode too. But I'll stop here for now.

[Hellspawn28]

You are not alone Topic Creator because The 3rd Sparking game is not my favorite DBZ game neither. I think it was good but I don't think it was that big of a update and did not feel like it add nothing that much new. I think people just like it so much because it has a big section of characters. I still take Budokai 1-3 over any of the Spike games.

[DonieZ]

You are not alone Topic Creator because The 3rd Sparking game is not my favorite DBZ game neither. I think it was good but I don't think it was that big of a update and did not feel like it add nothing that much new. I think people just like it so much because it has a big section of characters. I still take Budokai 1-3 over any of the Spike games.

I feel ya bro. The game is majorly overrated. It only pleases casual fans, and is a nightmare to hardcore fighting game fans. It's a decent game, but competitively? Na, you can't have high-level fights with it.

The 3D perspective really needs to step up, at the moment, for various reasons, none of Spike's truly capture what DBZ is about.

[DBZ Mick]

Have to disagree there.

While the Dimps games are more polished, the only DBZ games that have somewhat 'captured' the feel of Dragonball have been Spike's games.

And I preffered BT3 to BT2, BT2's storymode went on and on and on and on and it felt kinda sloppy.

BT3 fixed all of that but did remove some depth like cancels. But I'm no big fighting game buff.

I think people just like it so much because it has a big section of characters.

Hardly, I like it because it's a better product than BT2. The ultimates look amazing and you can have Genki Dama 'beam' struggles for example.

[Jawdrahb]

I haven't been truly satisfied with a Dragon Ball game since Budokai 3 or Super Dragon Ball Z. Although Budokai 3 released during the series's peaking popularity it suceeded as a fighting game as well as a faithful anime adaptation. Needless to say, Dragon Ball fighters have been beaten to death. I guess what I'm really yearning for is a console edition of Dragon Ball Online offline, if that makes any sense.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Dragon Ball Online offline, if that makes any sense.

What will you do offline in a game like this? It's like asking for offline version of WoW or L2.

[Jawdrahb]

Dragon Ball Online offline, if that makes any sense.

What will you do offline in a game like this? It's like asking for offline version of WoW or L2.

Essentially, I'm proposing the relevant developers have another shot at Sagas and do it right this time. You know, an open world, free roaming action-adventure. By offline, I meant using the same story however with a beginning, middle and end.

[DBZ Mick]

I'd like one of those too. Webfoot who did the LOG trilogy should get a crack.

[MCDaveG]

I will love something like LOG and be it based on mannga, so story from 42 volumes )

Well, and fire that designer woman, who did mugshots in LOG II and character sprites in GT transformation.
Her art is like based on that cheap studios that did animation for each second episode after the cool looking one.
Does she have a @%#$&*(@&##)! in her eyes or what?

Yeah, there are sorts of people who have different styles of drawing and ignorant can say about Piccaso that his works are untalented s**ts, but that's the style and it's looking nice. But some people simply can't draw....
I had known a guy, who when asked to draw a car, seriously drawn a blob with two little blobs as wheels after 15 minutes of concentration.
Pleeeease, no more Blobbers in developing teams. Thanks!

[DBZ Mick]

Whoever did the character portraits in Boo's Fury- Legacy of Goku III- would suit.

And whoever did the character portraits in LOGII did some alright ones, amongst the medicore ones...