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by Craddle » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:14 am
Soul wrote:So does anyone like the covers?
I actually like them, they seem appropriate to me. Then added 2.2 cover itself? Its a different action pose for him and looks cool in my opinion.
LOL, time to talk about the covers all over again I guess?
The Gohan one I like.
The Kuririn one seems like they took his face from DB and pasted on his body from DBZ.
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by Gaffer Tape » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:51 am
Ooh. Thanks for mentioning that because it jogged my memory that that pose is one that Toriyama drew for the Kanzenban of kid Kuririn. It looks like FUNimation might have repurposed it.
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by Craddle » Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:45 am
Gaffer Tape wrote:Ooh. Thanks for mentioning that because it jogged my memory that that pose is one that Toriyama drew for the Kanzenban of kid Kuririn. It looks like FUNimation might have repurposed it.
Do they have the rights to do that?
Dragon Ball Z: Level 2.1 [Blu-Ray]
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Just thought I'd add that the Product Info I submitted to Amazon has been updated and the DVD format was changed to Blu-Ray. However, they did not include the cover art images I provided, change 2.2's runtime to 400 minutes or any other info I provided. I submmitted another update.
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by Attitudefan » Thu Dec 22, 2011 4:09 am
Well I think it's based off the kanzenban art

My favourite art style (and animation) outside Toriyama who worked on Dragon Ball: Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru, Masaki Satō, Minoru Maeda, Takeo Ide, Hisashi Eguchi, Katsumi Aoshima, Tomekichi Takeuchi, Masahiro Shimanuki, Kazuya Hisada
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by Pokewhiz7 » Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:09 pm
The guy used DVNR, so it's useless.
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by ect5150 » Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:56 pm
Pokewhiz7 wrote:
The guy used DVNR, so it's useless.
That clip didn't deinterlace the DBox version either.
I've always preferred my own method of comparison (shameless plug, look to my signature).
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by Metalwario64 » Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:00 pm
ect5150 wrote:Pokewhiz7 wrote:
The guy used DVNR, so it's useless.
That clip didn't deinterlace the DBox version either.
Why would you need to deinterlace them when they're progressive scan? Am I missing something?
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by ect5150 » Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:05 pm
Metalwario64 wrote:Why would you need to deinterlace them when they're progressive scan? Am I missing something?
DVDs are still interlaced. Progressive scan just means repeated fields are actually repeated (with a flag telling the DVD player to repeat the field picture instead of reencoding a second identical field - therefore saving space on the DVD that may be allocated to other frames, making them higher quality).
It's a long coversation which I don't have a good link to at the moment. That said, let me post a screen shot of the problem.
Look at Goku's mouth in the DBox version. The video is "blending" the DVD fields (or at least using some sort of motion compensation) instead of reconstructing the full frames - the result is you can get the effect of what appears to be two full frames blended together.
(EDIT: Found my links:
Progressive vs. Interlaced, it's a long read though)
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by BlazingFiddlesticks » Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:53 pm
The DBoxes are interlaced? What is this nonsense? I mean, not like I don't have the cables or the software to deinterlace, but blah. Weren't the Blue Bricks Progressive?
JulieYBM wrote:Pannaliciour wrote:Reading all the comments and interviews, my conclusion is: nobody knows what the hell is going on.
Just like
Dragon Ball since Chapter #4.
son veku wrote:Metalwario64 wrote:BlazingFiddlesticks wrote:Kingdom Piccolo
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by Pokewhiz7 » Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:04 pm
BlazingFiddlesticks wrote:The DBoxes are interlaced? What is this nonsense? I mean, not like I don't have the cables or the software to deinterlace, but blah. Weren't the Blue Bricks Progressive?
Every DVD is interlaced. From what I understand from his explanation, it's set up so that it appears progressive whilst still being interlaced.
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by Krycek7o2 » Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:19 pm
Pokewhiz7 wrote:BlazingFiddlesticks wrote:The DBoxes are interlaced? What is this nonsense? I mean, not like I don't have the cables or the software to deinterlace, but blah. Weren't the Blue Bricks Progressive?
Every DVD is interlaced. From what I understand from his explanation, it's set up so that it appears progressive whilst still being interlaced.
That's true. But properly deinterlaced the Dragon Boxes R1 & 2 are Progressive as are the blue bricks. Next I'm gonna hear that 1080p is Interlace while 1080i is Progressive!
This guy needs to check his settings.
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by ect5150 » Fri Dec 23, 2011 5:14 pm
Pokewhiz7 wrote:Every DVD is interlaced. From what I understand from his explanation, it's set up so that it appears progressive whilst still being interlaced.
Yes, all DVDs are interlaced. Progressive DVDs are just encoded in such a way that the progressive frames can be easily and efficiently reconstructed from the disc. But the actual MPEG2 stream on the disc is still interlaced.
The issue here is the comparison video - referenced in an earlier post - didn't reconstruct the whole frames properly.
Look at it this way as well. If the whole frames were actually encoded on the disc, how did that YouTube video get frames that are screwed up?
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by JulieYBM » Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:01 pm
By the way ect5150, have you considered doing a comparison for the second volume?

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by Metalwario64 » Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:13 pm
Can anyone who has the Blu-ray post the corresponding version of this screenshot?
I believe it was Tanooki Kuribo who posted the Kai Blu-ray version of that shot a while back, and I have it saved on my hard drive and would like to compare the FUNimation Z Blu-ray with the Kai Blu-ray.
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by ect5150 » Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:25 pm
JulieYBM wrote:By the way ect5150, have you considered doing a comparison for the second volume?

I haven't bought it yet.
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by BlazingFiddlesticks » Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:41 pm
ect5150 wrote:Pokewhiz7 wrote:Every DVD is interlaced. From what I understand from his explanation, it's set up so that it appears progressive whilst still being interlaced.
Yes, all DVDs are interlaced. Progressive DVDs are just encoded in such a way that the progressive frames can be easily and efficiently reconstructed from the disc. But the actual MPEG2 stream on the disc is still interlaced.
So a "progressive" DVD is one that most compatible players identify as progressive and play it as such?
JulieYBM wrote:Pannaliciour wrote:Reading all the comments and interviews, my conclusion is: nobody knows what the hell is going on.
Just like
Dragon Ball since Chapter #4.
son veku wrote:Metalwario64 wrote:BlazingFiddlesticks wrote:Kingdom Piccolo
Where is that located?
Canada
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by ect5150 » Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:11 pm
BlazingFiddlesticks wrote:ect5150 wrote:Pokewhiz7 wrote:Every DVD is interlaced. From what I understand from his explanation, it's set up so that it appears progressive whilst still being interlaced.
Yes, all DVDs are interlaced. Progressive DVDs are just encoded in such a way that the progressive frames can be easily and efficiently reconstructed from the disc. But the actual MPEG2 stream on the disc is still interlaced.
So a "progressive" DVD is one that most compatible players identify as progressive and play it as such?
Umm... kinda... what you say is true. The DVD player has to know how to reconstruct the progressive frames and then send them to your TV (if the TV will even display progressive frames as most flat screens do... most CRTs do not). That's why some DVD players are (or used to be) advertised as "progressive" players. If I remember correctly, the wires matter as well. I don't think coaxial wires support 480p, only 480i (don't quote me on this part though). I
think the same is true for composite and S-video. To my knowledge, only HDMI and component will output progressive video signals.
The short and sweet of it is while the DBox is encoded as progressive, the MPEG2 stream is interlaced, but most newer DVDs players should be able to reconstruct the full frames and display it progressively on your flat screen if you're using an HDML cable (which are dirt cheap, so that's what you should be using

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But I think we're getting off topic... so when is the release date for level 2.1?
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by AgitoZ » Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:31 pm
ect5150 wrote:But I think we're getting off topic... so when is the release date for level 2.1?
March 27th.
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