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Re: FUNimation to put DBZ on Blu-Ray

Post by Krycek7o2 » Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:00 pm

Pokewhiz7 wrote:More complete =/= better. Maybe to you it does, but certain aspects are more important than others to some people. To me, the video is more important than some extras, maybe to you, packaging and extras are more important. That's why I gave my opinion and recommendation.
And what's wrong with the packaging, anyway? It's just a case with a slipcover. There's nothing particularly bad about that.
Who buys the set for the the actual video/audio when the package is so purdy and full of awesomeness?!
At least that's the rebuttals on this page. I do miss the comments on video and audio quality.

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Pokewhiz7 wrote:More complete =/= better. Maybe to you it does, but certain aspects are more important than others to some people. To me, the video is more important than some extras, maybe to you, packaging and extras are more important. That's why I gave my opinion and recommendation.
And what's wrong with the packaging, anyway? It's just a case with a slipcover. There's nothing particularly bad about that.
Compared to any other series that's had care involved with the packaging, the Transformers cartoon has far superior packaging, in fact tons of releases do for series, such as 007, Dragon Ball and anime in general rarely gets nice packaging. The nicer the extras, the nicer the packaging usually is. The BR packaging is just something cheap they used for mass production. Yes more complete usually does mean the product as a whole is better. Especially since the video quality on the BRs are a hit and miss just like the DBs.
dballfan wrote:Yes but he's not saying these are THE best and recommending everyone to get these. He's simply saying he thinks the level sets are better and has given his reasons why. He's still leaving the readers to form their own opinion.
He's saying they're better than the DBs, which is pretty much saying they are the best. The reader can always form their own opinion, no matter what the author says in an article, even if they're completely satirical and spewing bullshit.
Best is such an subjective word. At the end of the day the packaging is not even in contention with the Dbox's, but the packaging does their job . This is the first blu-ray release normally after singles of anything a box-set is inevitable
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Pokewhiz7 wrote:More complete =/= better. Maybe to you it does, but certain aspects are more important than others to some people. To me, the video is more important than some extras, maybe to you, packaging and extras are more important. That's why I gave my opinion and recommendation.
And what's wrong with the packaging, anyway? It's just a case with a slipcover. There's nothing particularly bad about that.
Who buys the set for the the actual video/audio when the package is so purdy and full of awesomeness?!
At least that's the rebuttals on this page. I do miss the comments on video and audio quality.
Exactly - peoples infatuation of what was once considered the perfect release taints their opinion quite frustratingly at times. I'm an owner of all Dragon-boxes but I purport my opinion in an impartial way nonetheless. I guess I'm one of those people who opened my eyes to flaws quite abundant in the Dboxes. The level sets rectified a significant number of them in my opinion, and subjectively that's translated into what I believe to be their superiority. Of course a fancy box is always nice but it is redundant when your relaxing to Dragonball Z on your HD TV. It just baffles me, and at times bemuses, as too how people can use such an tenuous matter in arguing it is still number one. If these slip-covers are such a put off, then wait a few years for the inevitable boxed sets.

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Re: FUNimation to put DBZ on Blu-Ray

Post by Perfect » Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:23 pm

dballfan wrote:Best is such an subjective word. At the end of the day the packaging is not even in contention with the Dbox's, but the packaging does their job . This is the first blu-ray release normally after singles of anything a box-set is inevitable
If by boxset, you mean a 2 for 1 set that looks identical to the Z Kai packaging or OB packaging for the same exact thing, then sure. Seeing the packaging and every other contributing factor I've listed still won't compare to the DBs.
dballfan wrote:Exactly - peoples infatuation of what was once considered the perfect release taints their opinion quite frustratingly at times. I'm an owner of all Dragon-boxes but I purport my opinion in an impartial way nonetheless. I guess I'm one of those people who opened my eyes to flaws quite abundant in the Dboxes. The level sets rectified a significant number of them in my opinion, and subjectively that's translated into what I believe to be their superiority. Of course a fancy box is always nice but it is redundant when your relaxing to Dragonball Z on your HD TV. It just baffles me, and at times bemuses, as too how people can use such an tenuous matter in arguing it is still number one. If these slip-covers are such a put off, then wait a few years for the inevitable boxed sets.
You're dodging around the subject in the context of packaging was only one attribute I mentioned as to why it's a better release, yet you focus on it as if it's the only one I've stated. Take into account the inconsistency of the DB's colors and the darkness and overwhelming amount of grain on the BRs and the color aspect becomes null. Then we move onto the other aspects of the release which packaging happens to be one of them, what's nicer? What carries better extras? All of which are also contributing aspects, making the DBs a "better" release as a whole, in the sense that it's more complete, which is also yet another, inevitable contributing aspect. It baffles me really, how someone can say as a whole the DBs aren't a better release. They were meant to be a better release, hence better packaging, more extras, being limited in quantity, etc. The BRs are just an alternative with better picture than the OBs, since there isn't another release that isn't limit. If you're also going to try and argue the picture qualities better for the BRs, thus making it a better release, it's a hit and miss. Plus the collectors value of owning the original 16mm film, which is also subjective in itself, but adds to the aforementioned attributes of being a better release as a whole.
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Re: FUNimation to put DBZ on Blu-Ray

Post by dballfan » Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:29 pm

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dballfan wrote:Best is such an subjective word. At the end of the day the packaging is not even in contention with the Dbox's, but the packaging does their job . This is the first blu-ray release normally after singles of anything a box-set is inevitable
If by boxset, you mean a 2 for 1 set that looks identical to the Z Kai packaging or OB packaging for the same exact thing, then sure. Seeing the packaging and every other contributing factor I've listed still won't compare to the DBs.
dballfan wrote:Exactly - peoples infatuation of what was once considered the perfect release taints their opinion quite frustratingly at times. I'm an owner of all Dragon-boxes but I purport my opinion in an impartial way nonetheless. I guess I'm one of those people who opened my eyes to flaws quite abundant in the Dboxes. The level sets rectified a significant number of them in my opinion, and subjectively that's translated into what I believe to be their superiority. Of course a fancy box is always nice but it is redundant when your relaxing to Dragonball Z on your HD TV. It just baffles me, and at times bemuses, as too how people can use such an tenuous matter in arguing it is still number one. If these slip-covers are such a put off, then wait a few years for the inevitable boxed sets.
You're dodging around the subject in the context of packaging was only one attribute I mentioned as to why it's a better release, yet you focus on it as if it's the only one I've stated. Take into account he inconsistency of the DB's colors and the darkness and overwhelming amount of grain on the BRs and the color aspect becomes null. Then we move onto the other aspects of the release which packaging happens to be one of them, what's nicer? What carries batter extras? All of which are also contributing aspects, making the DBs a "better" release as a whole, in the sense that it's more complete, which is also yet another, inevitable contributing aspect. It baffles me really, how someone can say as a whole the DBs aren't a better release. They were meant to be a better release, hence better packaging, more extras, being limited in quantity, etc. The BRs are just an alternative with better picture than the OBs, since there isn't another release that isn't limit.
That's were what you consider to be 'better' comes into play. You make care about packaging and opening and Japanese title cards for example but others may not give a shit. So it shouldn't baffle you, calling it an alternative with better picture than the OB's is actually not correct it is generally considered the the levels are better than the DB in terms of quality, and that's normally enough for most people to want to buy a certain set. Bearing in mind this also has the US BGM as-well as the Japanese BGM, Japanese opening, better PQ (imo!), its kind wrong to call it an alternative to the OB's. Becuase lets be frank OB's aren't anywhere near the level sets and DB's.

And they weren't meant to be the better release, at the time they were but now with these out its not that simple. The dragon boxes were kind of a gift for all of us wanting it since the Japanese DB's release.
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Re: FUNimation to put DBZ on Blu-Ray

Post by Pokewhiz7 » Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:31 pm

Yes, the colors and brightness are inconsistent on both sets. As is the amount of grain. But, the BDs still show more image area and are much sharper, so, grainy + dark or not, I still say the video is superior to the DBoxes.

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Re: FUNimation to put DBZ on Blu-Ray

Post by AgitoZ » Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:33 pm

Isn't it kinda unfair to dodge the packaging and extras when comparing? Or even missing things like the NEPs?

The video is better, albeit some parts are subjective, but even then not by much. The audio is about the same. So with that you have to look at everything else, the products are too similar. It's there, why ignore it?

But when that happens the DBoxes seem like the overall better product, or at the very least more complete. And if video is that important, then the levels are better, but they aren't the end all release. It just can't, it falls short on so many other things.
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Re: FUNimation to put DBZ on Blu-Ray

Post by Perfect » Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:38 pm

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dballfan wrote:Best is such an subjective word. At the end of the day the packaging is not even in contention with the Dbox's, but the packaging does their job . This is the first blu-ray release normally after singles of anything a box-set is inevitable
If by boxset, you mean a 2 for 1 set that looks identical to the Z Kai packaging or OB packaging for the same exact thing, then sure. Seeing the packaging and every other contributing factor I've listed still won't compare to the DBs.
dballfan wrote:Exactly - peoples infatuation of what was once considered the perfect release taints their opinion quite frustratingly at times. I'm an owner of all Dragon-boxes but I purport my opinion in an impartial way nonetheless. I guess I'm one of those people who opened my eyes to flaws quite abundant in the Dboxes. The level sets rectified a significant number of them in my opinion, and subjectively that's translated into what I believe to be their superiority. Of course a fancy box is always nice but it is redundant when your relaxing to Dragonball Z on your HD TV. It just baffles me, and at times bemuses, as too how people can use such an tenuous matter in arguing it is still number one. If these slip-covers are such a put off, then wait a few years for the inevitable boxed sets.
You're dodging around the subject in the context of packaging was only one attribute I mentioned as to why it's a better release, yet you focus on it as if it's the only one I've stated. Take into account he inconsistency of the DB's colors and the darkness and overwhelming amount of grain on the BRs and the color aspect becomes null. Then we move onto the other aspects of the release which packaging happens to be one of them, what's nicer? What carries batter extras? All of which are also contributing aspects, making the DBs a "better" release as a whole, in the sense that it's more complete, which is also yet another, inevitable contributing aspect. It baffles me really, how someone can say as a whole the DBs aren't a better release. They were meant to be a better release, hence better packaging, more extras, being limited in quantity, etc. The BRs are just an alternative with better picture than the OBs, since there isn't another release that isn't limit.
That's were what you consider to be 'better' comes into play. You make care about packaging and opening and Japanese title cards for example but others may not give a shit. So it shouldn't baffle you, calling it an alternative with better picture than the OB's is actually not correct it is generally considered the the levels are better than the DB, and that's normally enough for most people to want to buy a certain set. Bearing in mind this also has the US BGM as-well as the Japanese BGM, Japanese opening, better PQ (imo!), its kind wrong to call it an alternative to the OB's. Becuase lets be frank OB's aren't anywhere near the level sets and DB's.
I don't care what you or anyone else calls the "general consensus of what's better", the fact is both sets are hit and misses with the colors and video quality, which of the sets is better in that category is subjective. There's many opposing views for each by many different users. For the casual consumer, the BRs would definitely be the better option, but if you're the looking for the definitive release, then the DBs are easily better. I myself am a rather huge fan of the series and enjoy the original Japanese version with the correct openings, endings, etc. If you take into account the definitive set was limited and out of print, you have a choice to the OBs and BRs. The BRs are a better alternative to the OBs, hence the only alternative; because that's just what they are if you're a hardcore fan that actually cares about the the kinda stuff on the DBs. In other words I have to also side with AgitoZ on this as well, you do have to compare everything the DBs have to the BRs in order to have a fair comparison.

I also don't care what you view as better picture-wise Poke, because I've made a consistent effort to show the video qualities cancel each other out for their hit and miss attributes. Namely because they're incredibly subjective towards each other.
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Re: FUNimation to put DBZ on Blu-Ray

Post by batistabus » Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:41 pm

I never got the "Blu-rays are too dark" argument. If anything, the Dboxes are too bright. Yeah, sometimes the minor details are harder to see on the blu-rays, but overall, the colors are much better.

Again, it depends what you're looking for. If I was looking for the best looking version of the series, but I just shelled out around 200 bucks for the Dragon Boxes, you bet I'd try to defend my purchase. And yeah, at the time, the Boxes were the best available. But they still are the most complete package for the most hardcore DBZ fans. There'd be no reason for someone who owns the Dragon Boxes to buy the Blu-ray sets (unless you just want to own everything Dragon Ball, or you really want it on Blu-ray). You're not missing out on anything.

If you don't care about all those extras, the title cards, and a book, and would rather have the series look as best as it can in HD, then get the Blu-ray sets. That's all. If you care about both, then you have to make that decision for yourself.

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Re: FUNimation to put DBZ on Blu-Ray

Post by Ashura » Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:44 pm

No release is perfect in the history of home video. Someone will find something to nitpick no matter what.

In the case of Orange Ball Fetch Quest: The Series, each release has its own pluses and minuses. I think we should just leave it there.
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Re: FUNimation to put DBZ on Blu-Ray

Post by AgitoZ » Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:51 pm

batistabus wrote:If you don't care about all those extras, the title cards, and a book, and would rather have the series look as best as it can in HD, then get the Blu-ray sets.
But they aren't...FUNi's masters aren't the best. It can look better.
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Re: FUNimation to put DBZ on Blu-Ray

Post by batistabus » Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:56 pm

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batistabus wrote:If you don't care about all those extras, the title cards, and a book, and would rather have the series look as best as it can in HD, then get the Blu-ray sets.
But they aren't...FUNi's masters aren't the best. It can look better.
I mean currently available. Maybe if the same process was done with the Dragon Box masters, it would look better. That, or if they decided to re-animate the entire series.

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Re: FUNimation to put DBZ on Blu-Ray

Post by Perfect » Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:58 pm

batistabus wrote:
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batistabus wrote:If you don't care about all those extras, the title cards, and a book, and would rather have the series look as best as it can in HD, then get the Blu-ray sets.
But they aren't...FUNi's masters aren't the best. It can look better.
I mean currently available. Maybe if the same process was done with the Dragon Box masters, it would look better. That, or if they decided to re-animate the entire series.
If Toei wanted to make a remastered BR release of the DBs there's no question it'd easily look better. If you wanna talk about remastering, then (Z) Kai on BR is far better looking.
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Re: FUNimation to put DBZ on Blu-Ray

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Best is such an subjective word. At the end of the day the packaging is not even in contention with the Dbox's, but the packaging does their job . This is the first blu-ray release normally after singles of anything a box-set is inevitable
If by boxset, you mean a 2 for 1 set that looks identical to the Z Kai packaging or OB packaging for the same exact thing, then sure. Seeing the packaging and every other contributing factor I've listed still won't compare to the DBs.

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Exactly - peoples infatuation of what was once considered the perfect release taints their opinion quite frustratingly at times. I'm an owner of all Dragon-boxes but I purport my opinion in an impartial way nonetheless. I guess I'm one of those people who opened my eyes to flaws quite abundant in the Dboxes. The level sets rectified a significant number of them in my opinion, and subjectively that's translated into what I believe to be their superiority. Of course a fancy box is always nice but it is redundant when your relaxing to Dragonball Z on your HD TV. It just baffles me, and at times bemuses, as too how people can use such an tenuous matter in arguing it is still number one. If these slip-covers are such a put off, then wait a few years for the inevitable boxed sets.

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You're dodging around the subject in the context of packaging was only one attribute I mentioned as to why it's a better release, yet you focus on it as if it's the only one I've stated. Take into account he inconsistency of the DB's colors and the darkness and overwhelming amount of grain on the BRs and the color aspect becomes null. Then we move onto the other aspects of the release which packaging happens to be one of them, what's nicer? What carries batter extras? All of which are also contributing aspects, making the DBs a "better" release as a whole, in the sense that it's more complete, which is also yet another, inevitable contributing aspect. It baffles me really, how someone can say [b]as a whole[/b] the DBs aren't a better release. They were meant to be a better release, hence better packaging, more extras, being limited in quantity, etc. The BRs are just an alternative with better picture than the OBs, since there isn't another release that isn't limit.

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That's were what [b]you[/b] consider to be 'better' comes into play. You make care about packaging and opening and Japanese title cards [b]for example[/b] but others may not give a shit. So it shouldn't baffle you, calling it an alternative with better picture than the OB's is actually not correct it is generally considered the the levels are better than the DB, and that's normally enough for most people to want to buy a certain set. Bearing in mind this also has the US BGM as-well as the Japanese  BGM, Japanese opening, better PQ (imo!), its kind wrong to call it an alternative to the OB's. Becuase lets be frank OB's aren't anywhere near the level sets and DB's.

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I don't care what you or anyone else calls the "general consensus of what's better", the fact is both sets are hit and misses with the colors and video quality, which of the sets is better in that category is subjective. There's many opposing views for each by many different users. For the casual consumer, the BRs would definitely be the better option, but if you're the looking for the definitive release, then the DBs are easily better. I myself am a rather huge fan of the series and enjoy the original Japanese version with the correct openings, endings, etc. If you take into account the definitive set was limited and out of print, you have a choice to the OBs and BRs. The BRs are a better alternative to the OBs, hence the only alternative; because that's just what they are if you're a hardcore fan that actually cares about the the kinda stuff on the DBs. In other words I have to also side with AgitoZ on this as well, you do have to compare everything the DBs have to the BRs in order to have a fair comparison.
Tbh we can never conclude what is better but in little summary I'd say:

BR vs DB:
Quality: BR - The coloring on the Dragon boxes are constantly off there is no way to hide this. Believe me, the grain which could be considered 'off putting to some' seems a lot less noticeable already in 1.2. I was actually shocked to see a 'improvement' so quickly.
Content: DB - Obviously they have NEP's and Japanese title cards:

At the end of the day I think they work well together. If I want to just watch it I'd put on the Levels. If I felt like watching as much content as possible that the DB's because they have the extra NEP's.
Personally though unless I were to watch one episode a day I'm not to bothered about NEPs (and sometimes would rather not, I'd rather surprise myself even though, its hard to as it seems I know so many episodes by heart) although they are nice to have. .
And Japanese title cards if I'm being honest I really don't care to much they are there for like a few seconds - the English ones aren't a turn off. I actually find it rather bemusing when people weight this con as much as having poor coloring. Because personally the content which you see for 90% of the time is more important the lack of content.

Neither releases are perfect but for me the I'd rather watch the level sets than the Dragon boxes most of the time. But I'd say its best to own both the levels and DB's.

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Re: FUNimation to put DBZ on Blu-Ray

Post by AgitoZ » Wed Dec 28, 2011 8:06 pm

dballfan wrote:Content: DB - Obviously they have NEP's and Japanese title cards
You forgot the Dragon Books. Which have episode summaries along with what episode is on which disc, character sketches, and tons of other materials.

Not to mention, that's only FUNi's release of them. The Japanese DBoxes have tons of more stuff.
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Post by Ashura » Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:15 pm

Not to derail the thread, but I do want to mention that the more and more I look at the dragon boxes, the more I'm convinced that Toei did at least a little bit of grain removal when remastering the dragon boxes. It's interesting to compare the video of the Safety Specials on the Dragon Box to the actual episodes.

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Re: FUNimation to put DBZ on Blu-Ray

Post by ricecake » Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:57 am

batistabus wrote:There'd be no reason for someone who owns the Dragon Boxes to buy the Blu-ray sets (unless you just want to own everything Dragon Ball, or you really want it on Blu-ray). You're not missing out on anything.
Granted, not many people here may care about it, but the Blu-rays do have the English Dub soundtrack/score/music that is missing on the Dragon Boxes. I own all of the Dragon Boxes, and I do enjoy the dub music due to nostalgia, so I am considering getting the BDs as well, though I probably won't because I don't care that much about it. Another reason I am considering getting the BDs is because BDs are much more durable and scratch-resistant than DVDs, so they could be my daily-viewing copy.

In the end, though, I probably won't get them unless there is an insanely good deal on them.

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Re: FUNimation to put DBZ on Blu-Ray

Post by BluezaBladeNZ » Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:39 am

I have all the Dragon Boxes and had planned an alternative method which would protect my boxes by making custom Blu-ray discs and just porting the DVD encodes with only the japanese audio since I have no interest with the dub anymore, which should result in having nearly 20 episodes on one BD25 disc (I did experiment this with the GT Dragon Box and worked perfectly). So I would end up with a version that's still the Dragon Box yet scratch resistant as well. At least till a day where Toei releases their own HD version.

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Re: FUNimation to put DBZ on Blu-Ray

Post by Ani-Nation7 » Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:13 am

Just got Level 1.1 today in the mail and damn does it look good. I don't think I can watch my Dragon Box after getting this.
This is by far the best looking release of Dragon Ball Z to date.

I think this is now my favorite release.

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Re: FUNimation to put DBZ on Blu-Ray

Post by dballfan » Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:47 am

Ani-Nation7 wrote:Just got Level 1.1 today in the mail and damn does it look good. I don't think I can watch my Dragon Box after getting this.
This is by far the best looking release of Dragon Ball Z to date.

I think this is now my favorite release.
You think thats good wait till' you get 1.2 than looks even better!

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Re: FUNimation to put DBZ on Blu-Ray

Post by Ani-Nation7 » Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:57 am

Yeah I already ordered that on Rightstuf.
The colors and detail are superior than the Dragon Box.

Can't wait to see how it looks during the Buu Saga :D

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