Gohan

[SuperFusion]

I've just heard from someone that they read a book from Akira sayng that Gohan lost his mystic ability when he died at the hands of Buu and I was just wondering if this was true?

[VegettoEX]

I've just heard from someone that they read a book from Akira sayng that Gohan lost his mystic ability when he died at the hands of Buu and I was just wondering if this was true?

Do we really have to say anything else... ?

[SuperFusion]

I'm not sure I'm following you..

[MajinVejitaXV]

I've just heard from someone that they read a book from Akira sayng that Gohan lost his mystic ability when he died at the hands of Buu and I was just wondering if this was true?

Do we really have to say anything else... ?

Now now, let's not be too cruel. It is the holiday season, afterall

No, there's nothing on record from Mr. Toriyama (unless you know him, addressing him as familiar is...well, not done) about Gohan losing his power from the Buu saga. It's all fan theory, and yet another plot hole from DBGT that you could drive a truck through ;p

-Corey

[Tanooki Kuribo]

His name is not "Akira."
Either call him "Akira Toriyama" or simply "Toriyama." You're not on a first-name basis with the man. Show some damn respect.

http://www.daizex.com/interaction/dear_fanboys/

[Victator Supreme]

With most people using a first name is a sign of great affection. Referring to someone by just their last name implies a dislike.

I would not get offended if somebody that didn't know me, called me Victor. Thats my name, thats why I have it.

[Jerseymilk]

I've just heard from someone that they read a book from Akira sayng that Gohan lost his mystic ability when he died at the hands of Buu and I was just wondering if this was true?

Do we really have to say anything else... ?

What he means is, "you heard from someone". Basically, what qualifications does this person have? Are they even a reliable source? Just beacsue someone on the internet claims something, doesn't mean it's true.

[Conan the SSJ]

Just so everyone understands my point of view of the anime canon, and the fact I'm an anime-purist, I'll be posting this little list of how I view the canon and have watched the entire DragonBall series before.

Bardock Special.
Original DragonBall series.
DBZ Movie 1.
Saiyan - Garlic Jr. sagas.
Trunks Special.
Trunks saga - The driving school episode (just before the blink of the 3 years).
DBZ Movie 5.
(Beginning right at the 3 year blink in the driving school episode) Android - Cell Games sagas.
DBZ Movie 9.
Great Saiyaman - Kid Buu sagas.
DBZ Movie 13.
Last 3 DBZ episodes.
DragonBall GT series (culminating to when Goku disappears with Shenron).
Goku Jr. Special.
Last 8 minutes of GT episode 64.

Anyhow, this is how I view it. Basically, Gohan didn't lose his "Mystic Elder Kaioshin Upgrade Ultimate" form because he was killed, as seen in Movie 13, he's still fully capable of using that power. Though since that was about a year after the battle with Kid Buu, I'm supposing the power was still very fresh to Gohan (and he was staying in shape with Videl by defending Satan City as the Great Saiyaman). However, evidently after finishing with college, he went on to marry Videl, become a scholar, and bring Pan into world; hence he sought to live a life of peace and retirement from fighting. Now, arguably 20 years after the battle with Kid Buu, Goku's turned into a kid by Pilaf at the start of GT. Gohan's basically been done with fighting and training since the battle with Hildegarn, so by the time Bebi comes around and forces Gohan out of retirement, he takes the glasses and green coat off to defend the planet and his brother's well-being. However, since his normal form wasn't anywhere up to par with his old "Mystic" form, he was forced to transform to his SSJ/2 form when Bebi unleashed his and Goten's full power.

Now from this point on, from my point of view and in my opinion, it's clear that the result of Gohan no longer capably using the "Mystic" power/form is due to an excessive lack of training (arguably 20 years), so it's only natural his power would have downgraded drastically, though he was still able to rise to his maximum SSJ/2 powers. By the end of GT, he never had gained the "Mystic" power, but all-mighty powerful or not, he was still Gohan, and he defended the Earth alongside the other Saiyans in the final struggle with Super Xi Xing Long. In my opinion, he may have been capable of ultimately reaching SSJ4 had he been exposed to Bulma's brutes-wave machine (considering he was born with a tail, capable of going Oozaru, and had gone beyond SSJ like Vegeta). Too bad he was basically fizzled out after the final battle with Xi Xing Long, he only got ONE line of dialogue in the final episode and didn't even get a proper farewell to the series like everyone else seemed to get. Oh well, that's Gohan's final destiny for ya'.

[Bejiita]

Gohan hasn't lost any power, you can be sure of that.

You don't follow him? How can you not? It's simple, you don't make a post claiming someone said this or someone said that, for we do not know who this someone is, therefore the theory or comment you are backing has no source, thus it is bullshit.

[MajinVejitaXV]

With most people using a first name is a sign of great affection. Referring to someone by just their last name implies a dislike.

I would not get offended if somebody that didn't know me, called me Victor. Thats my name, thats why I have it.

This is true, but in Japanese culture (and older European cultures), addressing someone with familiarity can either be a sign of affection or insulting. Typically, since you don't know the man, it'd be proper to call him 'Toriyama-san' if you were speaking in his native tongue, or Mr. Toriyama or just Toriyama in english.

-Corey

[Chaos Saiyajin]

Anyhow, this is how I view it. Basically, Gohan didn't lose his "Mystic Elder Kaioshin Upgrade Ultimate" form because he was killed, as seen in Movie 13, he's still fully capable of using that power. Though since that was about a year after the battle with Kid Buu, I'm supposing the power was still very fresh to Gohan (and he was staying in shape with Videl by defending Satan City as the Great Saiyaman). However, evidently after finishing with college, he went on to marry Videl, become a scholar, and bring Pan into world; hence he sought to live a life of peace and retirement from fighting. Now, arguably 20 years after the battle with Kid Buu, Goku's turned into a kid by Pilaf at the start of GT. Gohan's basically been done with fighting and training since the battle with Hildegarn, so by the time Bebi comes around and forces Gohan out of retirement, he takes the glasses and green coat off to defend the planet and his brother's well-being. However, since his normal form wasn't anywhere up to par with his old "Mystic" form, he was forced to transform to his SSJ/2 form when Bebi unleashed his and Goten's full power.

Now from this point on, from my point of view and in my opinion, it's clear that the result of Gohan no longer capably using the "Mystic" power/form is due to an excessive lack of training (arguably 20 years), so it's only natural his power would have downgraded drastically, though he was still able to rise to his maximum SSJ/2 powers. By the end of GT, he never had gained the "Mystic" power, but all-mighty powerful or not, he was still Gohan, and he defended the Earth alongside the other Saiyans in the final struggle with Super Xi Xing Long. In my opinion, he may have been capable of ultimately reaching SSJ4 had he been exposed to Bulma's brutes-wave machine (considering he was born with a tail, capable of going Oozaru, and had gone beyond SSJ like Vegeta). Too bad he was basically fizzled out after the final battle with Xi Xing Long, he only got ONE line of dialogue in the final episode and didn't even get a proper farewell to the series like everyone else seemed to get. Oh well, that's Gohan's final destiny for ya'

I whole heartedly agree with Conan here, due to Gohan's lack of training, he simply lost the Mystic power-up. One wonders though, since
Gohan has already had the Mystic power-up before, would more training rerelease it, or would he have to go through Rou Dai Kaioshin's ritual again?

[SuperFusion]

Gohan hasn't lost any power, you can be sure of that.

You don't follow him? How can you not? It's simple, you don't make a post claiming someone said this or someone said that, for we do not know who this someone is, therefore the theory or comment you are backing has no source, thus it is bullshit.

Who said I was backing it up? I came here for a "yes, it's true" or "no, he didn't" answer.. Sheesh. Calm down.

[MajinVejitaXV]

Gohan hasn't lost any power, you can be sure of that.

You don't follow him? How can you not? It's simple, you don't make a post claiming someone said this or someone said that, for we do not know who this someone is, therefore the theory or comment you are backing has no source, thus it is bullshit.

Who said I was backing it up? I came here for a "yes, it's true" or "no, he didn't" answer.. Sheesh. Calm down.

Yeah, that was a bit...eh, shitty, but I think Bejiita thought you were trying to propagate a claim that Toriyama said Gohan lost his 'Mystic' abilties, and not simply asking if that was the case.

Some people need to relax. It's just an anime/manga/etc. Jeez...

-Corey

[Jerseymilk]

I agree with MajinVejita. I already explained to him what EX meant by his earlier post. Bejiita, it was pointless to repeat it, especially in a such an aggressive and unfriendly manner.

[Bejiita]

I agree with MajinVejita. I already explained to him what EX meant by his earlier post. Bejiita, it was pointless to repeat it, especially in a such an aggressive and unfriendly manner.

I didn't think I was coming off as aggressive at all, I was just trying to be funny. I was in fact laughing while I was writing it. Maybe it came off as aggressive because it was rather brief? Compared to Chaos Saiyajins explanation...

No offense to you SuperFusion, but if everyone made a topic with a rumor they heard with no source, this forum would be flooded with dumb topics.

It was mainly where you said you didn't follow what VegettoEX said, it was blatantly obvious what he was on about.

Lighten up.

[Jerseymilk]

I agree with MajinVejita. I already explained to him what EX meant by his earlier post. Bejiita, it was pointless to repeat it, especially in a such an aggressive and unfriendly manner.

I didn't think I was coming off as aggressive at all, I was just trying to be funny. I was in fact laughing while I was writing it. Maybe it came off as aggressive because it was rather brief?

Ah I see. Well, that's the problem with message boards. Oftentimes you can't tell when someone is being sarcastic or serious. :/

[Bejiita]

I agree with MajinVejita. I already explained to him what EX meant by his earlier post. Bejiita, it was pointless to repeat it, especially in a such an aggressive and unfriendly manner.

I didn't think I was coming off as aggressive at all, I was just trying to be funny. I was in fact laughing while I was writing it. Maybe it came off as aggressive because it was rather brief?

Ah I see. Well, that's the problem with message boards. Oftentimes you can't tell when someone is being sarcastic or serious. :/

Oh, believe me, when I'm serious, I end up in arguments lasting like 4 pages, and I hate it, trying to explain things to some people(in other forums I'm talking here) and they play dumb and chat crap.

This one guy on GTAforums was going off the handle because of a topic I made saying how the Moon landing was a hoax, basically because I saw this programme and thought I'd see what other people thought on the matter, then I get this fool called 'Ghost of Delete Key' saying how I'm the biggest bullshitter along with 5 pages of forum crap.

If this guy wants to get all offended over something as petty as this thing then go.

[SuperFusion]

Well, all you did was repeat what was already said. You weren't contributing anything to the thread, so yes, it can be seen as offensive.

[Victator Supreme]

I don't think the mystic power up has anything to do with training. I'm sure that Gohan never got as lax in his training as he did after the Cell games.

I believe the Mystic power up was rooted in faith. The more he believed, the more powerful he was.

During his battle with Super Buu (Gotenks powered), him and Gohan were even in power. It wasn't till Buu was able to fracture Gohan's confidence, that he started becoming more powerful.

So by the time of GT, Gohan may have lost faith in himself, resulting in the loss of the mystic power up.

[Bejiita]

Well, all you did was repeat what was already said. You weren't contributing anything to the thread, so yes, it can be seen as offensive.

I actually did start my post saying that Gohan had not lost any power, which is the answer to your question. Is it not?

As for contributing, well, it is isn't it? You could also call it 'adding'.

And as I said, it was meant to be funny, not serious.