Nicktoons to Air DBGT in North America (Confirmed)

[Pokewhiz7]

I could be misunderstanding, but I don't think they're editing the footage at all. Everything they have is what aired on Toonami.

[penguintruth]

Every time I've stepped into the grand tour, I've had to scrape it from the bottom of my shoe.

[Craddle]

Not sure if anyone else has checked their local TV guide listings yet, but it looks like it will be on everyday Mon-Fri and then on Sat they will play all 5 eps. that aired during the week back to back. It appears they will not be in marathon or "movie" form though like the first 5.

[TheBlackPaladin]

When we say they can't, we mean that literally--they can't. On a technical level. They can't take the edited footage and re-edit the Japanese music into it, because on their edited footage, there is only one audio track. And that one audio track would be the edited dialogue, synced to the edited visuals, with the Mark Menza score. They have no technical way of just switching the music over, because on their edited footage, the audio track for the Japanese music no longer exists. The only footage that has the Japanese music would be their uncut footage. Which is why, if they wanted to include the original Japanese music, they would have to re-edit and re-sync the footage from scratch.

I'm not saying it'd be just as simple as bada bing bada boom, but wouldn't re-editing the audio track (from scratch if necessary) be much easier than editing the footage from scratch?

I'm not entirely certain that I understand your question, so feel free to ask it again if I'm not getting it. However, the visuals and the audio are linked. You can't really edit one without editing the other. Because if you cut a scene, you have to cut the audio associated with that scene as well, otherwise the audio and the picture would be out of sync. Putting all of that aside, though, it goes back to a phrase you mentioned: "(from scratch if necessary)." It isn't necessary. It's just something we'd really like to happen. The only thing that's necessary for Nicktoons is that they have edited episodes of GT to air, and FUNimation already had edited episodes lying around, so they gave them that.

I could be misunderstanding, but I don't think they're editing the footage at all. Everything they have is what aired on Toonami.

Yes, it is what aired on Toonami, but what aired on Toonami was edited for content. It's not uncut, that's what we mean.

[SaiyamanMS]

I'm not entirely certain that I understand your question, so feel free to ask it again if I'm not getting it. However, the visuals and the audio are linked. You can't really edit one without editing the other. Because if you cut a scene, you have to cut the audio associated with that scene as well, otherwise the audio and the picture would be out of sync. Putting all of that aside, though, it goes back to a phrase you mentioned: "(from scratch if necessary)." It isn't necessary. It's just something we'd really like to happen. The only thing that's necessary for Nicktoons is that they have edited episodes of GT to air, and FUNimation already had edited episodes lying around, so they gave them that.

Yes, I understand that nothing is really "necessary" here, but I simply don't see how making a new audio track for a video would be that much of a hassle provided you have all the base components, even it it would require a bit of re-syncing. Making a new audio track to match existing edited footage using components you have sitting around has to be easier than re-editing footage though.

Obviously, this is all completely in the realm of the hypothetical though since Menza is already being used.

[Craddle]

I simply don't see how making a new audio track for a video would be that much of a hassle provided you have all the base components, even it it would require a bit of re-syncing. Making a new audio track to match existing edited footage using components you have sitting around has to be easier than re-editing footage though.

It's not that it's too hard or too much work, FUNi simply does not care. They have a LOT of other stuff going on other then Dragon Ball GT. They have an old edit, even though the ratings are nearly a decade old, they're still accepted. So why do more work then they have to?

That's like idk being a UPS driver and delivering a package. You can take the package straight to it's destination and get it over with or you can go for a joy ride. Either way, you'll be getting paid the same amount. (Probably a bad analogy. Oh well.)

However, I'm positive that if Nicktoons would have requested it, it would have been done. No doubt. If you watched the recent Live Q & A on YT, they were really excited and glad that GT was going to be on the air again.

[TheBlackPaladin]

I'm not entirely certain that I understand your question, so feel free to ask it again if I'm not getting it. However, the visuals and the audio are linked. You can't really edit one without editing the other. Because if you cut a scene, you have to cut the audio associated with that scene as well, otherwise the audio and the picture would be out of sync. Putting all of that aside, though, it goes back to a phrase you mentioned: "(from scratch if necessary)." It isn't necessary. It's just something we'd really like to happen. The only thing that's necessary for Nicktoons is that they have edited episodes of GT to air, and FUNimation already had edited episodes lying around, so they gave them that.

Yes, I understand that nothing is really "necessary" here, but I simply don't see how making a new audio track for a video would be that much of a hassle provided you have all the base components, even it it would require a bit of re-syncing. Making a new audio track to match existing edited footage using components you have sitting around has to be easier than re-editing footage though.

Obviously, this is all completely in the realm of the hypothetical though since Menza is already being used.

Well for one thing, it's not really "a bit" of re-syncing. It's 64 episodes worth of re-syncing. That takes the time and effort of engineers that they would have to hire to do the work. They'd have to watch the edited episodes, compare it to the uncut episodes to see what scenes were cut, track down the audio files of the edited dialogue, and then re-sync the original score to those edits. And they'd have to do that 64 times. Likely before a deadline that Nicktoons gave them, considering that Chris Sabat has mentioned on multiple occasions that they had to dub Kai at a very fast pace to keep up with what Nicktoons wanted.

Again, let's be honest, there's no financial incentive or reason to do that. Nicktoons isn't going to treat FUNimation or work with FUNimation any differently than they would if they got the original music. The newer generation of younger fans who don't know any better about the edits or the music changes aren't going to demand a different musical score that they don't know exists, and older fans who have watched the dub of GT already have minimal interest in watching the edited version air on TV again when the uncut version is readily available on DVD. To top it off, GT is easily the least popular of the three "Dragon Ball" anime series. So, the only reason FUNimation has to re-edit 64 episodes worth of content--and pay people to do that--is because a sub-group of older fans "really, really want the original music to air on the edited TV version." Even as someone who falls into that category, I'll be the first to admit, that's not nearly enough reason to spend money on re-editing the episodes.

Part of the reason I was so glad that FUNimation dubbed the GT intro and ending songs for the "green brick" DVD sets was because they had no reason to. The DVD sets were not going to sell any better because of the dubbed songs, and they never once advertised that the songs had been dubbed. Heck, we had no clue that they were dubbed until someone actually bought the set, watched the newly-dubbed intro, and uploaded it to YouTube. Say what you will about whether or not you like the songs, but FUNimation did something that they had absolutely no financial reason to do. So that effort alone, which went above and beyond what they needed to do, won them a lot of points in my book.

[Ashura]

TBP has it all correct, but I'll add a bit more information on the complications involved in this:

Funimation had to cut these all down to standard TV time. This means there are even "invisible edits." What this means is that there are times when Funimation would delete even single frames from scenes to get the episode runtime down to US standards. There are a bunch of episodes which are virtually unedited save for a few frames/15 frame snippets here and there. To do this right you would literally have to go through all the episodes frame-by-frame and sync the audio back up.

They would then also have to retrack all the music so that you don't have chunks of the music cut out of the episode. Then further... get this approved by Toei before sending it off to Nicktoons.

[DB_Fan1991]

Don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but Nicktoons changed the order of the episode a bit on there it goes Recap -> Title Card -> OP -> Part A -> Part B -> NEP -> ED

[dbboxkaifan]

Don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but Nicktoons changed the order of the episode a bit on there it goes Recap -> Title Card -> OP -> Part A -> Part B -> NEP -> ED

It doesn't make much sense showing the title card before the actual episodes even begins, what made them change the order?

On the bright side, they're also airing the English dubbed GT NEPs which are sort of rare, since the season sets (digitally remastered) didn't come with them.

By the way, do they show the episode title on the NEPs now?

[kei17]

It doesn't make much sense showing the title card before the actual episodes even begins, what made them change the order?

I guess they changed the order to follow that in Kai, but couldn't separate title card from recap because of the nonstop dub music.