How many days did Vegeta go without sleep on Namek?

[Kaboom]

Vegeta later related to Freeza that his healing-boost increases were getting much bigger than they really should be lately (how many do you think he got throughout his entire career before Earth and Namek, honestly?), and supposed that it's because he was "awakening" as a Super Saiyan.

Now that's not really any solid or quasi-scientific proof of anything, but it's an interesting theory to go by. What if Goku and Vegeta's escalating healing boosts before and during Namek were a means to an end, and that end was Super Saiyan? Goku did attain it on Namek, and Vegeta did likewise not long after that. Same could hold true for Gohan.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Would eating a senzu make sleeping unneccasary? A senzu is suppose to restore your energy so wouldn't it be like sleeping (maybe not for the mental benefits but for the physical benefits)?

I think it was established in the Cell arc that Senzu has limitations, as it couldn't even cure Gokuu's heart virus (I mean, there's no reason why it should, but Gokuu felt it was worth mentioning in response to Trunks' revelation to him, and Gokuu, who Vegeta confirms as exposition that he noticed the anomaly in his body, accepted a Senzu that still did nothing.

And maybe there's just no perfect substitute for a good sleep. Not to mention that Senzu probably is more about sating your physical fatigue, whereas Vegeta likely had both physical and mental fatigue.

Vegeta later related to Freeza that his healing-boost increases were getting much bigger than they really should be lately (how many do you think he got throughout his entire career before Earth and Namek, honestly?), and supposed that it's because he was "awakening" as a Super Saiyan.

Now that's not really any solid or quasi-scientific proof of anything, but it's an interesting theory to go by. What if Goku and Vegeta's escalating healing boosts before and during Namek were a means to an end, and that end was Super Saiyan? Goku did attain it on Namek, and Vegeta did likewise not long after that. Same could hold true for Gohan.

That's somewhat related to one of my theories: that at first, Saiyans draw their latent power from Oozaru, but after they hit a certain level of power, they begin drawing power from Super Saiyan instead. So once that happens, the evolutionary need for tails and Oozaru disappears, since they're heading towards reaching Super Saiyan. This is the reason why Son Goten and Trunks were born without tails, because they’d already drawn out all their power from Super Saiyan without having to train for it.

I don't subscribe to the "Saiyans lose the ability to regrow tails when they become adults" theory, since it's something Saiyans apparently consider their source of power (also taking into account it being their weakness as well, as when others squeeze it, their power drops; I think Raditz and/or Piccolo even mentions that the tail could be the reason, or at least part of it, why Saiyans are so strong), and they rely on the tail and transformation largely. Plus, Saiyans (especially low-class ones) losing their tails can't have been unusual, considering what they did for a living.

Anyway, it is a nice in-universe explanation as to why Gokuu and Vegeta's Zenkais gradually became larger and larger. After the fight on Earth, Vegeta went from 30k to ~500k (still factoring in the nap), and after that, he was likely 2 million+. Gokuu probably would've gotten a Zenkai after his fight with Zenkai, and after that, he was training while increasing gravity up to x100, while literally beating himself up (as we see from that Kamehameha scene), which boosted him up to 90k, leading Vegeta to believe that he could be SS. Then he got body-swapped and beaten up, which boosted him up to 3 million.

Gohan likely got only two Zenkais on Namek (firstly, against Recoom; secondly, against Freeza), and later still became a Super Saiyan, but that could simply be put down to the fact that he's special (as in, he's gifted with more dormant power than even Gokuu and Vegeta) and/or children are more emotional (perhaps, more emotionally unstable) than adults, so it was easier for him to get angry enough to become SS. And future Trunks may've got beaten up a lot by the Androids, or the same explanation for Gohan.

[Kaboom]

Would eating a senzu make sleeping unneccasary? A senzu is suppose to restore your energy so wouldn't it be like sleeping (maybe not for the mental benefits but for the physical benefits)?

I think it was established in the Cell arc that Senzu has limitations, as it couldn't even cure Gokuu's heart virus (I mean, there's no reason why it should, but Gokuu felt it was worth mentioning in response to Trunks' revelation to him, and Gokuu, who Vegeta confirms as exposition that he noticed the anomaly in his body, accepted a Senzu that still did nothing.

And given that Ki is a combined mind-AND-body type of thing, it'd stand to reason if the nap helped Vegeta access a lot more power that he would have a hard time doing anything with before.

[Akira]

I just want to add something here. There is something about the powers right around the period of the Ginyu force battle that always seems to cause confusion. Prior to his arrival on Namek, when Goku completed his training he states that he could now handle a Kaioken x10. Furthermore, when showing Commander Ginyu his true power, Goku is only using the basic Kaioken to double his power. He says something to the affect of it being just the tip of the iceberg, and that he can go much higher when he uses his power in bursts.

That is why Goku isn't afraid or surprised at Vegeta reaching 250,000 or close to that after giving him a senzu bean. Goku's actual maximum battle power isn't needed or shown there, but a Kaioken x10 would have him at 900,000 in quick bursts if he needed to be. It also helps explain how Goku thought he could take on Freeza if it came down to it, when he probably sensed Freeza's power of 530,000.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Would eating a senzu make sleeping unneccasary? A senzu is suppose to restore your energy so wouldn't it be like sleeping (maybe not for the mental benefits but for the physical benefits)?

I think it was established in the Cell arc that Senzu has limitations, as it couldn't even cure Gokuu's heart virus (I mean, there's no reason why it should, but Gokuu felt it was worth mentioning in response to Trunks' revelation to him, and Gokuu, who Vegeta confirms as exposition that he noticed the anomaly in his body, accepted a Senzu that still did nothing.

And given that Ki is a combined mind-AND-body type of thing, it'd stand to reason if the nap helped Vegeta access a lot more power that he would have a hard time doing anything with before.

Yeah, that's what I mentioned afterwards.

I just want to add something here. There is something about the powers right around the period of the Ginyu force battle that always seems to cause confusion. Prior to his arrival on Namek, when Goku completed his training he states that he could now handle a Kaioken x10. Furthermore, when showing Commander Ginyu his true power, Goku is only using the basic Kaioken to double his power. He says something to the affect of it being just the tip of the iceberg, and that he can go much higher when he uses his power in bursts.

That is why Goku isn't afraid or surprised at Vegeta reaching 250,000 or close to that after giving him a senzu bean. Goku's actual maximum battle power isn't needed or shown there, but a Kaioken x10 would have him at 900,000 in quick bursts if he needed to be. It also helps explain how Goku thought he could take on Freeza if it came down to it, when he probably sensed Freeza's power of 530,000.

I personally believe that when Gokuu said that, Vegeta was still somewhere between Jheese and Captain Ginyu (let's say 60k), since that's the implication I get from the story (e.g. Gokuu vs. Ginyu, the hyped-up leader; Vegeta vs. Jheese, his henchman). After his nap, which helped to sate his mental fatigue, he rose to ~500k.

But you're right in that Gokuu probably wasn't being arrogant in believing that he could defeat Freeza. He'd just defeated the Ginyuu Special-Squad without even having to use the Kaiouken, and whether or not he could sense Freeza's full power of 530k, he still knew that he could boost his strength ten-fold with the Kaiouken x10, putting him at 900k.

[Bussani]

Even without taking Vegeta's lack of sleep into account, it's not like his battle power would shoot up to 250,000 or whatever number as soon as he ate the bean. He could control his battle power at that point, so how would anyone know how strong he was until he got serious? Did even he know how much of a boost he'd gotten right away?

[FindKenshi]

Well new content from the Official supplemental material is takine as official when it doesn't contradict the manga directly, by most here--in this case, it does. Vegeta makes statements that indicate that his power is only slowly rising gradually. He tells Jeice he's only beginning to realize how powerful he's become. Later he mentions something about how he's "slowly becoming" that which Freeza fears most.

It seem Saichoro-sama caused a similar "slow, gradual" power-up in Gohan and Krillin as well, as Vegeta says that Freeza hasn't noticed "how their power keeps raising."

Vegeta did end up at 250,000 by the time he fought Freeza, but it wasn't all at once. Surely by the moment he was restored by Goku's senzu, he was not yet beyond Goku in strength, for any of this dialog in the Goku Vs Ginyu Squad fights to have made any sense. But by the time he reached Freeza's spaceship, his power had gradually risen to probably around 90,000... and the rest of the way up to 250,000 by the time he faced against Freeza.

That way both the V-Jump guide and Relight can both be correct.

[Relight]

Yes, FindKenshi, I know I'm right. It just doesn't make sense at all how if Vegeta, upon eating the senzu given by Goku, was immediately 250,000, then why the hell didn't he just solo Ginyu and Jeice himself right there and then? He knew they'd rush after him later on, considering they knew he was going straight for the dragon balls, and he knew that he probably wouldn't be able to find them anyway, let alone work them, thus watching the Earthlings try to do it first. Also why are you all saying that Vegeta was 250,000 in his grapple against First Form Freeza? He would have gotten easily stomped without issue, he was at least 480,000, if not a little more around the 500k mark.

[dario03]

Well Vegeta wanted Goku and Ginyu to fight a extended battle to keep them both out of his way. So either way if he was far stronger than Ginyu or not and already knew it he would need to worry about Goku and he knows that Goku can change his power. Might as well let them stall each other and worry about it later or hope that they take each other out.

And personally I always thought Vegeta was somewhere around 500,000 but being at 250,000 can work fine. DBZ is inconsistent with how much of a difference a power gap can make so even though a slight power difference can equal domination (Vegeta vs Dodoria), a power gap of over double has been shown to not be instant doom (Vegeta vs Goku without Kaio-Ken).

[Relight]

But this is Freeza we're talking about, who hates Vegeta and wants him to suffer and be humilated while doing it. What better way then to destroy his weak 250,000 ass from the get go? He didn't, because he couldn't that easily, because Vegeta was ~500k then.

[dario03]

Freeza still didn't destroy Vegeta instantly even after transforming.

And Vegeta vs Goku without Kaio-Ken didn't end instantly and that fight had a similar gap. Vegeta is at 18,000 and Goku is a bit over 8,000.

[Relight]

^Quiet you, don't make me hurt you.

[dario03]

So... I guess we are going with the possibility of Vegeta being 250,000...

^Quiet you, don't make me hurt you.

How exactly do you plan on doing that?

[hleV]

The Battle with Freeza
Goku: 3,000,000 [D7-p.83]
--Kaio-ken x10: 30,000,000 [C: D7-p.83]
--Kaio-ken x20: 60,000,000 [C: D7-p.83]
--Super Saiyan: 150,000,000 [D7-p.83]
Piccolo: over 1,000,000 [D7-p.102]
Vegeta: 250,000 [VJ]
Gohan: 200,000, and much higher when mad [VJ]
Kuririn: 75,000 [VJ]
Freeza (first form): 530,000 [M-24]
--second form: over 1,000,000 [M-25]
--final form, 50% full power: 60,000,000 [D7-p.83]
--final form, 100% full power: 120,000,000 [D7-p.83]

[Piccolo Daimao]

Also why are you all saying that Vegeta was 250,000 in his grapple against First Form Freeza? He would have gotten easily stomped without issue, he was at least 480,000, if not a little more around the 500k mark.

Technically, nothing contradicts Vegeta's level of 250k, and battle powers aren't exactly consistent, even in the manga itself.

And there's more to winning a fight than just power.

[Fox666]

While normally I advocate for the guidebooks, I would take the V-Jump with a grain of salt. We don't know if it shares the same source of the Weekly Jump or the Daizenshuu.

There is a lot of strange things with it. It describes Goku as 180,000 while that is his Kaio-ken using the Kaio-ken. And all "new" battle powers are multiples of 25,000. The pictures are also a little weird, since they don't match that part of the story, and I think some of them are taken from movies.

Technically, nothing contradicts Vegeta's level of 250k, and battle powers aren't exactly consistent, even in the manga itself.

I agree.

As far the manga goes, all we can tell is that his battle power is much higher than 180,000 since Freeza was using the same Scouter model as the Ginyu Tokusentai and it exploded.

[Piccolo Daimao]

And all "new" battle powers are multiples of 25,000. The pictures are also a little weird, since they don't match that part of the story, and I think some of them are taken from movies.

I don't see what them being multiples of 25k has anything to do with it.

And you could argue that the Daizenshuu has the same problem of some of the pictures not matching that part of the story. 50% Freeza (60 million)'s picture depicts Freeza during his "no-hands" fight with Gokuu before he even began using half his power, as well as start-of-Z Gokuu (416)'s picture depicting Gokuu when he still had his weights on and would read at 334. Piccolo Daimaou (260)'s picture depicts him before he powered up to full power against Gokuu.

Weekly Jump has Saiyan arc Piccolo (3,500)'s picture depicting him with his weights on just before he kidnapped Gohan, and I don't recognize Tenshinhan (1,830)'s picture from the Saiyan arc either. I think it's from the 23rd Tenkaichi Budoukai.

Technically, nothing contradicts Vegeta's level of 250k, and battle powers aren't exactly consistent, even in the manga itself.

I agree.

As far the manga goes, all we can tell is that his battle power is much higher than 180,000 since Freeza was using the same Scouter model as the Ginyu Tokusentai and it exploded.

Yeah, and besides, their grapple was brief. You could argue that the reason Vegeta managed to catch Freeza's hands is that Freeza had underestimated him. Afterwards, Vegeta was winded, while Freeza was not.

[TheNamekGio]

After fighting Dodoria,Kui, and Zarbon, Vegeta took a quick nap. Kick a bad guys ass and that deserves a quick power nap. On to the next baddy, ok another fast cat nap. And so on and so on. Thats how he powers up!! 

[Fox666]

Vegeta hadn't sleep at all after his battle with Zarbon.

[Kingdom Heartless]

It's interesting to note that, if senzu doesn't help much with lack of sleep, that Goku initially fought Nappa and Vegeta after around 48 hours of being awake.