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Michsi's already summed up my arguments anyway, but in case anything was missed, I'll just lay it out here.
Saiga wrote:Godo wrote:You do mean his third form, right?
Because it would have worked perfectly against Freeza's second form.
Bullshit. He just got absolutely stomped by Freeza's second form, and the weights that he was wearing prior to merging with Nail can't have made a meaningful difference.
You must have a different definition of "stomped" then, because Freeza just got two good shots in that shocked him due to the sudden increase in strength and left him a bit flustered with a couple of scuffs, but he still got right back up and was confident (not to mention the fact that he can sense ki) that he could go for Round 2. Nothing's contradicted here: a shocked Freeza says sourly, "Heh...I didn't know Namekians made jokes...", Gohan cries, "We can win!", and then Freeza decides to transform.
Everything in the story points to Piccolo's weights making quite some difference against Freeza, so I don't know how on earth you could interpret that otherwise. It really doesn't get simpler than that.
Saiga wrote:Piccolo Daimao wrote:No offence, and I'm not being biased here or anything, but seriously, what's your beef with Piccolo? I'll say this now: he is not an inherently stupid character.
And nothing contradicts the notion that his weights may've made a difference against second-form (which is what I'm assuming you're referring to) Freeza since, despite the fact that 100kg or whatever it was may not seem like that much of a difference to fighters of over 1 million BP, Freeza still decided to go ahead and transform before they even continued fighting (talking about the manga, btw; in the anime, after Piccolo removed his weights, he whooped Freeza's ass).
Just because I think he's an idiot doesn't mean I have a beef with him. Freeza transforming doesn't mean jack, unless you think his first form was below Vegeta and his third form was below... Dende? He just transforms for shits and giggles.
OK, maybe you don't have a beef with him, but as was aforementioned, you do seem to be trying pretty hard to claim that Piccolo's an idiot when you haven't made any convincing arguments yet. Yeah, he's not perfect, but one or two mistakes doesn't mean that he's automatically an idiot. And he could've increased his weights before he merged with Nail (he
did spend six days training with Kaiou on a planet x10 the gravity of Earth), to balance with his increasing strength.
Your comparison is flawed. Freeza transformed because 1) Vegeta goaded him on to, claiming that they could still win and he wouldn't change that much, and 2) Freeza himself says that Vegeta had proved he wasn't entirely bluffing about his power increase, so there'd still be a possibility that the three of them ganging up could actually defeat him. Kuririn makes mention to note, "Yeah, Vegeta's gotten so strong, we might actually have a shot at this! But then...why does Freeza look so calm?", and right after, Vegeta tells Freeza to transform and, sure enough, he does. He would've done anyway, of course.
He later went to his third form because, twice, he'd been pushed to the brink by an enraged Gohan, and he was afraid at how fast Gohan and Vegeta were progressing and that they might actually become Super Saiyans after long, so he wanted to transform just in case. He says this in the story itself; how the fuck did you miss this?
That's the reason I thought you have a beef with Piccolo, because there's nothing in the actual story that supports your hypothesis, and if anything, it suggests the stark opposite. Of course, he has his moments, like everyone else, but he's constantly touted as one of the most observational and tactical characters in the series (in Gokuu's absence, he often takes his place as the spearhead of the group), and Boo, a main villain, even bothered to absorb him for his smarts. Even a lunkhead like Boo realized how he could use that vital asset to his advantage, and Toriyama bothered to make that point. You haven't really given us any examples other than the select few, and we've given you a bunch of examples in other threads that you can search through the archives for.