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by HECTOR4 » Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:34 am
TheDevilsCorpse wrote:The game and Saibaimen defy logic; the Saibai-trees for example, while looking cool, shouldn't even be able to attack the player outside of maybe an energy blast. Their arms don't reach the player and their legs are needed for support; yet they are the strongest Saibaimen to date...
We only have to look in the game which is their way of attacking.
Yeah...no. We have opinions that vary greatly on what is ridiculous and what isn't. While they have some oddities to them, there are other characters in different series that share fairly similar designs and traits to both Buu and Freeza; with one simply being a tweaking of a rather typical depiction of a genie with an antenna slapped on his head, and the other being similar to a more humanoid lizard-man with "jewels". As I said, some slightly odd traits, but by no means a ridiculous design.
Fat Boo is a ridiculous character, the author did ridiculous expressly. For example. Super Boo...ehem...If I see a guy with pink skin and with a tail to the head in the street, I assure you that I would not stop laughing...And for me Freeza is no less ridiculous than a Saibaitree. It seems a bit of a transsexual...U.U...XD...But I like all these designs.
And how the hell does Buu look like a bug? That's Cell's theme...
In Spanish the word "bug" is used to describe a rare monster, a freak.
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by TheDevilsCorpse » Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:58 am
HECTOR4 wrote:We only have to look in the game which is their way of attacking.
Fat Boo is a ridiculous character, the author did ridiculous expressly. For example. Super Boo...ehem...If I see a guy with pink skin and with a tail to the head in the street, I assure you that I would not stop laughing...And for me Freeza is no less ridiculous than a Saibaitree. It seems a bit of a transsexual...U.U...XD...But I like all these designs.
Ridiculous in real life? Yes. In a fictional world like Dragon Ball's? Not at all. Buu's design is basically a normal genie, no more absurd than half the other designs that pop up during a Google search of the term. And while some of his traits are a bit odd (pink skin, antenna, etc), he's still a functional design. Same with Freeza, even if he looks like a transsexual, he's still has a body build capable of being a threat to back up his power. And, as I've said a dozen times now, the Saibai-tree has a decent design, but it's NOT functional at all. I've already fought them in the game and they attack physically. That shouldn't really be possible for a species who's arms don't reach past their stomach. The game classifies their attack as a physical hit and you can't hit what you can't reach, period. It's ridiculously flawed design for a creature that's supposed to boast the strongest power of their race.
Seriously though, the topic might as well just be dropped. This will continue forever because we're not going to agree.
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by soulnova » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:14 am
HECTOR4 wrote:
In Spanish the word "bug" is used to describe a rare monster, a freak.
Bicho? No. It doesn't mean a "rare monster" in Spanish. At best someone that behaves strange, but is mostly a derogatory term for animals. o_O
Bicho.
(Del dialect. bicho, y este del lat. bestĭus, bestia).
1. m. despect. animal (‖ ser orgánico).
2. m. Persona aviesa, de malas intenciones.
3. m. despect. persona (‖ individuo).
4. m. Taurom. Toro de lidia.
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by HECTOR4 » Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:34 am
TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Seriously though, the topic might as well just be dropped. This will continue forever because we're not going to agree.
Yeah, is true...^^...Finish.
soulnova wrote:HECTOR4 wrote:
In Spanish the word "bug" is used to describe a rare monster, a freak.
Bicho? No. It doesn't mean a "rare monster" in Spanish. At best someone that behaves strange, but is mostly a derogatory term for animals. o_O
Bicho.
(Del dialect. bicho, y este del lat. bestĭus, bestia).
1. m. despect. animal (‖ ser orgánico).
2. m. Persona aviesa, de malas intenciones.
3. m. despect. persona (‖ individuo).
4. m. Taurom. Toro de lidia.
I meant rare monster in the meaning of freak, or spawn. In Spanish the term is "bicho raro" (weirdo) widely used, both for individuals and monsters, spawns (type the Hunchback of Notre Damme). It's my fault. In English may not have that meaning and nor use that expression. Sorry, I´m Spanish with my Google-Translator English XDDD
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by Xeogran » Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:38 am
First of all, what is even this place? Is it inside's of somebody's stomach or what?
Second of all, way to ruin Cell > : (
Just because it's a MMORPG doesn't mean they have to turn every major character into some 4-legged (Or multihanded) creature just for the purpose to have more random MOBS. They could easily used the Cell Jrs instead, not the original Cell.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:11 am
Nightstar1994 wrote:Second of all, way to ruin Cell > : (
Come on guys, seriously now. Don't you read the information of the subject before replying? This is NOT Cell.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by soulnova » Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:32 am
I don't get what's the problem here. It is not Cell, but something that came from him or similar... or whatever.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:01 am
It's like saying that they ruined Piccolo through Cell, or ruined Goku through Pan, or ruined Vegeta through Trunks.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by Xeogran » Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:36 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:It's like saying that they ruined Piccolo through Cell, or ruined Goku through Pan, or ruined Vegeta through Trunks.
Seriously? These characters you mentioned don't even fit what i said. Cell didn't had Piccolo's design with 8 arms and 4 heads, or Trunks wasn't a person with Vegeta's face but is multiple legged.
I also never mentioned that this creature is Cell.
This thing on the other hand has complete Cell's design, but made him look way worse.
I can't wait until a Dabura like creature with 6 eyes appears in DBO...Seriously now.
Besides, characters in DBZ are fast. This thing doesn't even look like it could fly, or even battle.
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by DNA » Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:09 pm
Dude, they are mutated Cell like creatures, I'm totally okay with this. Maybe someone got the blueprints and decided to tweak them a bit so they're more... I dunno, leggy? Since Cell is a bio-weapon anyway, this looks like something that could happen. They are creatures created in a laboratory, it's not like Cell was a natural occurrence. You're making a big deal out of nothing.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:22 pm
Nightstar1994 wrote:Seriously? These characters you mentioned don't even fit what i said. Cell didn't had Piccolo's design with 8 arms and 4 heads, or Trunks wasn't a person with Vegeta's face but is multiple legged.
I also never mentioned that this creature is Cell.
Obviously, these examples were under the assumption that you thought that these things are Cell. The thing is, apart from them being his descendants, they don't affect Cell at all. They don't even share the same purpose as Cell to become the perfect being (most likely). They are just what they are. It's like saying that they are ruining kid Goku because of the clothes Goten has (better example now?).
Nightstar1994 wrote:Besides, characters in DBZ are fast. This thing doesn't even look like it could fly, or even battle.
The only thing that flies right now in DBO are birds, pterodactyls, our characters, Piccolo, Bardock, Baba and Towa. And besides, this is not DBZ. The level of our characters & our opponents is below Final Form Freeza. We are not anything special yet.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by Xeogran » Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:31 pm
DNA wrote:Dude, they are mutated Cell like creatures, I'm totally okay with this. Maybe someone got the blueprints and decided to tweak them a bit so they're more... I dunno, leggy? Since Cell is a bio-weapon anyway, this looks like something that could happen. They are creatures created in a laboratory, it's not like Cell was a natural occurrence. You're making a big deal out of nothing.
You're acting as if DBO was making mutated creatures only out of bio-experiments.
I just dislike how hard for them is to create a completely different, original opponents, not based off the actual DBZ characters.
The creators should give more time into making more Time Quests, so people won't say something like this again:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
The level of our characters & our opponents is below Final Form Freeza. We are not anything special yet.
If we'd had chance to beat Freeza 100% already by ourselves. Instead, they make Cell-like (androids?) opponents already and yet our character is still weaker than Freeza, makes no sense.
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by hleV » Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:35 pm
Nightstar1994 wrote:
You're acting as if DBO was making mutated creatures only out of bio-experiments.
I just dislike how hard for them is to create a completely different, original opponents, not based off the actual DBZ characters.
This is a Dragon Ball game. What's wrong with everything being based on it? What makes you think they're not capable of creating their own unique monsters rather than not wanting that to begin with?
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by Makaioshin » Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:50 pm
I need to get to 70 before this hits TW. I don't mind these first form Cell creatures. I'm used to the DBO guys using DB designs with minor alterations and Toriyama reusing his own designs. I still think the Perfect Cell creature is an ugly design but hopefully I'll change my mind when I see the ingame model. The DBO guys do a decent job of having original designs and designs based on already existing characters.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:51 pm
Nightstar1994 wrote:If we'd had chance to beat Freeza 100% already by ourselves. Instead, they make Cell-like (androids?) opponents already and yet our character is still weaker than Freeza, makes no sense.
Maybe, just maybe, those Cell-like creatures are weaker than Cell? I don't see any reason for them to be stronger than Cell.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by Xeogran » Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:53 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Nightstar1994 wrote:If we'd had chance to beat Freeza 100% already by ourselves. Instead, they make Cell-like (androids?) opponents already and yet our character is still weaker than Freeza, makes no sense.
Maybe, just maybe, those Cell-like creatures are weaker than Cell? I don't see any reason for them to be stronger than Cell.
One of them is actually based out of
Perfect Cell design wise. These Imperfect can be weaker, but that?
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by Makaioshin » Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:55 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Nightstar1994 wrote:If we'd had chance to beat Freeza 100% already by ourselves. Instead, they make Cell-like (androids?) opponents already and yet our character is still weaker than Freeza, makes no sense.
Maybe those Cell-like creatures are weaker than Cell? I don't see any reason for them to be stronger than Cell.
They most likely lack the cells of Goku and company since Towa can't even get it. They also don't appear to be chi vampires.
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by TheDevilsCorpse » Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:56 pm
"Towa gave the dirty and menacing-looking Captain Bacterian a mission to gather energy for helping "Cell-X" to grow. As Cell-X got more energy, he grew impatient so he left his capsule and took residence in an abandoned cave behind a waterfall. The other Cell-like creatures (his children?) continue to help him collect energy."
Not so much a direct translation as it is a summary of the Karin's Notes. While they don't say anything about who or what "Cell-X" actually is, I think we should probably accept that this is very likely to be a mutation of the Cell we remember, from some timeline or another. Similar things happened with Tao Pai Pai's uprage to Tao Pai Pai-X. Seems to be a trend with artificial/robotic/whatever characters...
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by Xeogran » Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:06 pm
TheDevilsCorpse wrote:"Towa gave the dirty and menacing-looking Captain Bacterian a mission to gather energy for helping "Cell-X" to grow. As Cell-X got more energy, he grew impatient so he left his capsule and took residence in an abandoned cave behind a waterfall. The other Cell-like creatures (his children?) continue to help him collect energy."
Not so much a direct translation as it is a summary of the Karin's Notes. While they don't say anything about who or what "Cell-X" actually is, I think we should probably accept that this is very likely to be a mutation of the Cell we remember, from some timeline or another. Similar things happened with Tao Pai Pai's uprage to Tao Pai Pai-X. Seems to be a trend with artificial/robotic/whatever characters...
So same Power Level as Cell then? Stronger? How could this Cell-X be hundred of millions times weaker than the original Cell if it's a new project and is keep absorbing energy?
See what i mean now.