Kid Buu

[Hitiro]

Its not inexplicable at all. Daikaio has been known to decrease Buu's power in the past. Good Buu still has Daikaio's influence and is still inside Buu's body. Being directly connected doesnt matter at all since Good Buu proved he could influence Kid Buu from attacking Mister Satan while not connected. Furthermore Goku was distracted by the fact that SSJ3 was failing him IMO. Does it sound far fetched that Goku and Vegeta didnt respond to an increase? You bet I too find it odd but all the previous points still stand. Kaioshin influence is abnormal. I'm not so keen on the fact its negative at this point however its been noted that Kaioshin influence is abnormal based on Dabura's statement and the Potara's ineffectiveness inside Buu. Dabura has no reason to exercise caution with Kaioshins energy based on the fact that neither him nor Babidi know what Daikaio did to him. It would seem that Dabura knows that the energy of the Kai's incompatible since they are pure. If its not negative its certainly ineffective and with that said that would mean Southern Kaioshin Buu didnt raise or decrees his power it remained the same he just added the appearance and physique of Southern Kaioshin. If thats the case and he is indeed equal to South Kai Buu that would mean he is stronger than Super Buu initially since South Kai Buu is stated to be above Super Buu. Seriously give a logical counterargument against Dabura's statement and you will have won this.

And what was stopping Vegeta, Gohan, or the Kai's from saying it increased? There is a difference with Good Buu preventing a single attack and reducing his power by over 6 times your stated levels. There is nothing to suggest that Good Buu restrained his power. All we know is Good Buu prevented Kid Buu from hitting Mr. Satan. They aren't the same thing. Also, why is it that when Evil Buu, who was more powerful than Good Buu, absorbed Good Buu into his body to become Super Buu that his powerlevel didn't also decrease?

Fat Buu: 625,000,000,000
SSJ Goku(supressed): 640,000,000,000
Good Buu: 225,000,000,000
Evil Buu: 400,000,000,000
Super Buu(Restrained by Good Buu`s Daikaio influence): ???
Super Buu(Your assumption that the influence doesn't effect Super Buu): 9,000,000,000,000
Kid Buu(Restrained by Good Buu`s Daikaio influence): about 2,000,000,000,000
Kid Buu: 13,000,000,000,000

Above are your own powerlevels that you stated earlier. Why isn't Super Buu restrained by Good Buu's Dai Kaioshin influence? Why did Evil Buu go from 400 billion to 9 trillion? You're saying the Dai Kaioshin influence makes the Buu's weaker so Evil Buu should be stronger without absorbing Good Buu.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Its not inexplicable at all. Daikaio has been known to decrease Buu's power in the past. Good Buu still has Daikaio's influence and is still inside Buu's body. Being directly connected doesnt matter at all since Good Buu proved he could influence Kid Buu from attacking Mister Satan while not connected. Furthermore Goku was distracted by the fact that SSJ3 was failing him IMO. Does it sound far fetched that Goku and Vegeta didnt respond to an increase? You bet I too find it odd but all the previous points still stand. Kaioshin influence is abnormal. I'm not so keen on the fact its negative at this point however its been noted that Kaioshin influence is abnormal based on Dabura's statement and the Potara's ineffectiveness inside Buu. Dabura has no reason to exercise caution with Kaioshins energy based on the fact that neither him nor Babidi know what Daikaio did to him. It would seem that Dabura knows that the energy of the Kai's incompatible since they are pure. If its not negative its certainly ineffective and with that said that would mean Southern Kaioshin Buu didnt raise or decrees his power it remained the same he just added the appearance and physique of Southern Kaioshin. If thats the case and he is indeed equal to South Kai Buu that would mean he is stronger than Super Buu initially since South Kai Buu is stated to be above Super Buu. Seriously give a logical counterargument against Dabura's statement and you will have won this.

And what was stopping Vegeta, Gohan, or the Kai's from saying it increased? There is a difference with Good Buu preventing a single attack and reducing his power by over 6 times your stated levels. There is nothing to suggest that Good Buu restrained his power. All we know is Good Buu prevented Kid Buu from hitting Mr. Satan. They aren't the same thing. Also, why is it that when Evil Buu, who was more powerful than Good Buu, absorbed Good Buu into his body to become Super Buu that his powerlevel didn't also decrease?

Fat Buu: 625,000,000,000
SSJ Goku(supressed): 640,000,000,000
Good Buu: 225,000,000,000
Evil Buu: 400,000,000,000
Super Buu(Restrained by Good Buu`s Daikaio influence): ???
Super Buu(Your assumption that the influence doesn't effect Super Buu): 9,000,000,000,000
Kid Buu(Restrained by Good Buu`s Daikaio influence): about 2,000,000,000,000
Kid Buu: 13,000,000,000,000

Above are your own powerlevels that you stated earlier. Why isn't Super Buu restrained by Good Buu's Dai Kaioshin influence? Why did Evil Buu go from 400 billion to 9 trillion? You're saying the Dai Kaioshin influence makes the Buu's weaker so Evil Buu should be stronger without absorbing Good Buu.

Super Buu is restrained =/. Thats why His power grew after Good Buu was removed. 400,000,000,000 x 22.5(the 22.5 comes from the beginning of Good Buu's power level) I use the first 2 numbers because when Daikaio reduced Buff Buu's power the first 2 numbers in his power level were used so I kind of just went off the idea that the the evil overpowered a good deal of Daikaio's influence but it was still present so thats why it didnt jump to Kid Buu's 13,000,000,000,000. This is also why I think that Kid Buu was as powerful as he was when he fought Goku. He hadnt completely overpowered the good in Daikaios influence. However back to the point I want you to answer. Explain Dabura's statement and how Kaioshins energy is not ineffective.

[hleV]

Explain Dabura's statement and how Kaioshins energy is not ineffective.

No. You explain how can Pure Boo be stronger than Evil Boo when Goku states that without fusion they can't beat Evil Boo, but he's fine with fighting Pure Boo and his implication that he could defeat him with full SSJ3 power isn't ever contradicted.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Explain Dabura's statement and how Kaioshins energy is not ineffective.

No. You explain how can Pure Boo be stronger than Evil Boo when Goku states that without fusion they can't beat Evil Boo, but he's fine with fighting Pure Boo and his implication that he could defeat him with full SSJ3 power isn't ever contradicted.

I found a way to contradict it. I've mentioned it over 8,000 times. Dont avoid the question. If Kaioshin influence does not increase or decrease Buu's power that means Kid Buu is equal to South Kai Buu because Southern Kaiohsin did not increase or decrease his power. Super Buu is weaker than South Kai Buu whom is supposedly equal to Kid Buu based on the fact that Kaioshins dont increase or decrease Buu's power.

[hleV]

Explain Dabura's statement and how Kaioshins energy is not ineffective.

No. You explain how can Pure Boo be stronger than Evil Boo when Goku states that without fusion they can't beat Evil Boo, but he's fine with fighting Pure Boo and his implication that he could defeat him with full SSJ3 power isn't ever contradicted.

I found a way to contradict it. I've mentioned it over 8,000 times. Dont avoid the question. If Kaioshin influence does not increase or decrease Buu's power that means Kid Buu is equal to South Kai Buu because Southern Kaiohsin did not increase or decrease his power. Super Buu is weaker than South Kai Buu whom is supposedly equal to Kid Buu based on the fact that Kaioshins dont increase or decrease Buu's power.

Energy isn't power. One can be powerful, yet without energy (tired). Kaioshins may not give Boo energy, but they do give him power (with the exception of Dai Kaioshin). Here, I answered. Now answer my question. Or are you avoiding it?

[TheMightyOzaru]

Energy isn't power. One can be powerful, yet without energy (tired). Kaioshins may not give Boo energy, but they do give him power (with the exception of Dai Kaioshin). Here, I answered. Now answer my question. Or are you avoiding it?

That isnt logical at all. Dabura states they cant use Kaioshin's energy to revive Buu. Furthermore what? How is power not energy? DBZ characters are dependent on Ki to pretty much do anything at this point.

[Mystic Gohan]

Energy aint power bro. Fat Buu is not simply 2x SSjin 2 Teen Gohan.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Energy aint power bro. Fat Buu is not simply 2x SSjin 2 Teen Gohan.

It is. If power isnt Ki what is it? Secondly yes SSJ2 Gohan's Ki is about half of Buu's

[hleV]

That isnt logical at all.

It's perfectly logical.

Dabura states they cant use Kaioshin's energy to revive Buu.

Exactly. They can't use the energy. It can mean various things (for example that Kaioshins' energy cannot be used to revive Boo only). But I'm fine if you choose to believe that Kaioshins' energy doesn't get added to Boo's.

How is power not energy?

I could very well ask how is power energy? One can have lots of energy, as in, one can run for minutes without getting tired. Does that mean that he also can run fast and is strong? No. Energy isn't power.

DBZ characters are dependent on Ki to pretty much do anything at this point.

Energy is also an important factor. One can't fight well if they have no energy (tired out).

Your arguments are very subjective and don't imply anything, just add a possibility. But that possibility is contradicted by Goku's statements, thus is wrong.
Now, please, answer my question. It really appears that you're avoiding it.

[Hitiro]

Super Buu is restrained =/. Thats why His power grew after Good Buu was removed. 400,000,000,000 x 22.5(the 22.5 comes from the beginning of Good Buu's power level) I use the first 2 numbers because when Daikaio reduced Buff Buu's power the first 2 numbers in his power level were used so I kind of just went off the idea that the the evil overpowered a good deal of Daikaio's influence but it was still present so thats why it didnt jump to Kid Buu's 13,000,000,000,000. This is also why I think that Kid Buu was as powerful as he was when he fought Goku. He hadnt completely overpowered the good in Daikaios influence. However back to the point I want you to answer. Explain Dabura's statement and how Kaioshins energy is not ineffective.

You didn't answer why Evil Buu jumped from 400 billion to 9 trillion. You said the influence weakens Buu so by your logic Super Buu would be lower than Evil Buu. And I have stated why Kaioshin's energy could be ineffective in reviving Buu. As I stated several posts ago the purity of someones spirit effects how much Buu can absorb but naturally there is a certain threshold they must cross before the ki can be gained. So Powerlevel - Purity = Ki gained by Majin Buu.

SS2 Gohan
Purity: 100
Powerlevel: 1,250
Ki gain for Majin Buu: 1,150

Kaioshin
Purity: 100
Powerlevel: 50
Ki gain for Majin Buu: -50

Kibito
Purity: 100
Powerlevel: 25
Ki gain for Majin Buu: -85

Dai Kaioshin
Purity: 100
Powerlevel: 75
Ki gain for Majin Buu: -25

South Kaioshin
Purity: 100
Powerlevel: 125
Ki gain for Majin Buu: 25

Dabura stated Kaioshin's energy would not be effective but he didn't give a reason why and I would assume its something in the purity as well as the strength. Dabura would also not be able to tell if Gohan, Goku or Vegeta are pure good. So he wouldn't know if its ineffective. He probably assumed they weren't pure because they belong to Earth and there aren't really any individuals who are. In fact, Goku was really the first pure good person in the story. Do you remember Akkuman using his beam on Goku? He thought all men carry some evil in their heart yet Goku was completely unaffected by the beams power. Dabura never actually states why they can't use the Kaioshin or Kibito's energy. Dai Kaioshin wasn't the strongest of the Kaioshins but he was the kindest, which was what had the most adverse effect on Majin Buu.

I found a way to contradict it. I've mentioned it over 8,000 times. Dont avoid the question. If Kaioshin influence does not increase or decrease Buu's power that means Kid Buu is equal to South Kai Buu because Southern Kaiohsin did not increase or decrease his power. Super Buu is weaker than South Kai Buu whom is supposedly equal to Kid Buu based on the fact that Kaioshins dont increase or decrease Buu's power.

S. Kaioshin DOES increase his power. When he reverted to Kid Buu, he lost the S. Kaioshin's power.

Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P13.5
Context: as evil Boo reverts to his South Kaioshin form
Goku: “H-hey…Vegeta…His ki is increasing, ain’t it…!?”

[TheMightyOzaru]

That isnt logical at all.

It's perfectly logical.

No it isnt

Dabura states they cant use Kaioshin's energy to revive Buu.

Exactly. They can't use the energy. It can mean various things (for example that Kaioshins' energy cannot be used to revive Boo only). But I'm fine if you choose to believe that Kaioshins' energy doesn't get added to Boo's.

Its not about adding its about Kaioshins energy doing nothing. You know I'm getting really really tired of you avoiding something thats right in front of your face so I'm gonna use caps to get it across. IF KAIOSHIN ENERGY DOES NOT INCREASE OR DECREASE BUU'S POWER LEVEL THAT WOULD MEAN THAT KID BUU'S POWER LEVEL DID NOT CHANGE AND THUS IS EQUAL TO THE SOUTH KAI BUU WHOM WAS STATED TO BE ABOVE KID BUU.

I could very well ask how is power energy? One can have lots of energy, as in, one can run for minutes without getting tired. Does that mean that he also can run fast and is strong? No. Energy isn't power.[/qoute]

I'm referring to power in the sense of power levels. I'm not bringing physical limits into this

Energy is also an important factor. One can't fight well if they have no energy (tired out).

No duh. This has nothing to do with the topic.

Your arguments are very subjective and don't imply anything, just add a possibility. But that possibility is contradicted by Goku's statements, thus is wrong.
Now, please, answer my question. It really appears that you're avoiding it.

No that is not the case at all. Its not a simple a possibility. Dabura states that Kibito and Kaioshins energy cannot be used to revive Buu. If it cant be used, obviously there is no positive to be had here. You cant just disregard a statement made by a character because of a simple statement that Goku made that can be countered with my point on Good Buu. Kid Buu was equal to Goku when they fought because Good Buu's Daikaio influence restrained him a bit before he was spit out.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Super Buu is restrained =/. Thats why His power grew after Good Buu was removed. 400,000,000,000 x 22.5(the 22.5 comes from the beginning of Good Buu's power level) I use the first 2 numbers because when Daikaio reduced Buff Buu's power the first 2 numbers in his power level were used so I kind of just went off the idea that the the evil overpowered a good deal of Daikaio's influence but it was still present so thats why it didnt jump to Kid Buu's 13,000,000,000,000. This is also why I think that Kid Buu was as powerful as he was when he fought Goku. He hadnt completely overpowered the good in Daikaios influence. However back to the point I want you to answer. Explain Dabura's statement and how Kaioshins energy is not ineffective.

You didn't answer why Evil Buu jumped from 400 billion to 9 trillion. You said the influence weakens Buu so by your logic Super Buu would be lower than Evil Buu. And I have stated why Kaioshin's energy could be ineffective in reviving Buu. As I stated several posts ago the purity of someones spirit effects how much Buu can absorb but naturally there is a certain threshold they must cross before the ki can be gained. So Powerlevel - Purity = Ki gained by Majin Buu.

SS2 Gohan
Purity: 100
Powerlevel: 1,250
Ki gain for Majin Buu: 1,150

Kaioshin
Purity: 100
Powerlevel: 50
Ki gain for Majin Buu: -50

Kibito
Purity: 100
Powerlevel: 25
Ki gain for Majin Buu: -85

Dai Kaioshin
Purity: 100
Powerlevel: 75
Ki gain for Majin Buu: -25

South Kaioshin
Purity: 100
Powerlevel: 125
Ki gain for Majin Buu: 25

Dabura stated Kaioshin's energy would not be effective but he didn't give a reason why and I would assume its something in the purity as well as the strength. Dabura would also not be able to tell if Gohan, Goku or Vegeta are pure good. So he wouldn't know if its ineffective. He probably assumed they weren't pure because they belong to Earth and there aren't really any individuals who are. In fact, Goku was really the first pure good person in the story. Do you remember Akkuman using his beam on Goku? He thought all men carry some evil in their heart yet Goku was completely unaffected by the beams power. Dabura never actually states why they can't use the Kaioshin or Kibito's energy. Dai Kaioshin wasn't the strongest of the Kaioshins but he was the kindest, which was what had the most adverse effect on Majin Buu.

I found a way to contradict it. I've mentioned it over 8,000 times. Dont avoid the question. If Kaioshin influence does not increase or decrease Buu's power that means Kid Buu is equal to South Kai Buu because Southern Kaiohsin did not increase or decrease his power. Super Buu is weaker than South Kai Buu whom is supposedly equal to Kid Buu based on the fact that Kaioshins dont increase or decrease Buu's power.

S. Kaioshin DOES increase his power. When he reverted to Kid Buu, he lost the S. Kaioshin's power.

Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P13.5
Context: as evil Boo reverts to his South Kaioshin form
Goku: “H-hey…Vegeta…His ki is increasing, ain’t it…!?”

Exactly the purity in Kaioshins energy doesnt increase or decrease Buu's power meaning Southern Kaioshin is just as strong as Kid Buu whom was stated to be above Super Buu. Why is Southern Kaioshins energy any less pure? He is Kai like Eastern Kaioshin the result would be the same.

[hleV]

Kid Buu was equal to Goku when they fought because Good Buu's Daikaio influence restrained him a bit before he was spit out.

Everytime someone in the series had powered up - it was made obvious to the reader/watcher. There was no implication whatsoever that Pure Boo became stronger by spitting out Mr. Boo.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Kid Buu was equal to Goku when they fought because Good Buu's Daikaio influence restrained him a bit before he was spit out.

Everytime someone in the series had powered up - it was made obvious to the reader/watcher. There was no implication whatsoever that Pure Boo became stronger by spitting out Mr. Boo.

There doesnt have to be. Gohan fueled the Genki Dama with his Genki. Genki is a part of Ki. When Kibito Kaioshin gave some of his Genki he was exhausted and out of energy. He said he couldnt use a Ki based technique, Instant Transmission. This means that a lot of energy was taken. This means Gohan gave a good deal of his. If Kid Buu was weaker than Super Buu just Gohan's Genki should have been enough to kill Kid Buu but Goku said the Genki Dama formed from the Z-fighters Ki wasnt enough. Its kind of an indication of a power increase from Buu. I find far fetched myself but this is still just as logical as disregarding Dabura's statement because you dont like it

[Hitiro]

Exactly the purity in Kaioshins energy doesnt increase or decrease Buu's power meaning Southern Kaioshin is just as strong as Kid Buu whom was stated to be above Super Buu. Why is Southern Kaioshins energy any less pure? He is Kai like Eastern Kaioshin the result would be the same.

Because his ki is higher, you obviously didn't read what I said. Purity only prevents so much ki from being gained. If you have a low powerlevel or amount of ki it will have a negative effect on the Buu's because the purity will be the thing thats effective. But if your ki is over a certain threshold Buu does get a power gain from it. S. Kaioshin is the most powerful so he falls into the later category where even though the purity would normally be a negative he has enough ki for it to be a gain for Buu. So, to sum it all up, Powerlevel - Purity = Power Gain. If Powerlevel > Purity then Power Gain is positive. If Powerlevel < Purity then Power Gain is negative.

There doesnt have to be. Gohan fueled the Genki Dama with his Genki. Genki is a part of Ki. When Kibito Kaioshin gave some of his Genki he was exhausted and out of energy. He said he couldnt use a Ki based technique, Instant Transmission. This means that a lot of energy was taken. This means Gohan gave a good deal of his. If Kid Buu was weaker than Super Buu just Gohan's Genki should have been enough to kill Kid Buu but Goku said the Genki Dama formed from the Z-fighters Ki wasnt enough. Its kind of an indication of a power increase from Buu. I find far fetched myself but this is still just as logical as disregarding Dabura's statement because you dont like it

This could just be a mistake by Akira Toriyama, your looking for justification in something you know nothing about. Just because Kibito Kaioshin can't use IT doesn't mean Genki is the largest type of someones ki. It could merely mean that Kibito Kaioshin's IT relies more on the Genki portion of his ki than any of the other types as I stated before. If a character's powerlevel jumps all of a sudden by over 6 times its original amount someone WILL say. No character will go "Oh, his power jumped. I may as well keep this to myself" it would be explained. Your just dismissing the fact that nobody says anything to justify your answer. Somebody would say something regardless, whether it be Vegeta, Goku, Gohan or one of the Kai's.

[hleV]

Kid Buu was equal to Goku when they fought because Good Buu's Daikaio influence restrained him a bit before he was spit out.

Everytime someone in the series had powered up - it was made obvious to the reader/watcher. There was no implication whatsoever that Pure Boo became stronger by spitting out Mr. Boo.

There doesnt have to be.

It does, otherwise there's no reason to think that Pure Boo became stronger.

Gohan fueled the Genki Dama with his Genki. Genki is a part of Ki. When Kibito Kaioshin gave some of his Genki he was exhausted and out of energy. He said he couldnt use a Ki based technique, Instant Transmission. This means that a lot of energy was taken.

All this implies is that Geni is important for Kaioshin's teleportation technique.

This means Gohan gave a good deal of his. If Kid Buu was weaker than Super Buu just Gohan's Genki should have been enough to kill Kid Buu

If it was Ki rather than just a part of it (Genki) which we don't know much about, it would be true. But it's not.

but Goku said the Genki Dama formed from the Z-fighters Ki wasnt enough.

Formed of Z-fighters' Genki. Not Ki. Again, we don't know much about Genki so you can't prove anything with that.

Its kind of an indication of a power increase from Buu. I find far fetched myself but this is still just as logical as disregarding Dabura's statement because you dont like it

Dabra's statement is fine. Just that he talks about energy, not power. It's your problem that you choose to think that energy is power only to justify your silly theories.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

If Kid Boo was really that restrained, he wouldn't have blown up the planet as quickly as he did. I just think Mr. Boo's presence was strong enough to stop him from attacking Hercule, that's all.

Anyway, it just doesn't make sense for Kid Boo to be stronger than Super Boo when looking at many aspects. Gotenks is, at the very least, on-par with Super Boo--and Gohan is much stronger than both of them. Therefore, Super Saiyan 3 Goku isn't powerful enough to defeat Super Boo, which he and Super Boo both know and say. Super Saiyan 3 Goku is able to give Kid Boo a good fight, despite being outclassed in the area of stamina. Goku did no damage to Kid Boo, thanks to the latters regeneration and such...and Kid Boo wasn't able to do any damage to Goku, either. If Kid Boo was really stronger than Goku, he'd have done more damage to him. So yeah...they're about equal.

[VegettoEX]

Folks, you can't just say, "Nuh-uh. YOU!" and expect that to fly here. You agreed to have informed, engaging, polite discussions with your peers. If you're not interested in that, you're going to need to find another place to talk about Dragon Ball.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Exactly the purity in Kaioshins energy doesnt increase or decrease Buu's power meaning Southern Kaioshin is just as strong as Kid Buu whom was stated to be above Super Buu. Why is Southern Kaioshins energy any less pure? He is Kai like Eastern Kaioshin the result would be the same.

Because his ki is higher, you obviously didn't read what I said. Purity only prevents so much ki from being gained. If you have a low powerlevel or amount of ki it will have a negative effect on the Buu's because the purity will be the thing thats effective. But if your ki is over a certain threshold Buu does get a power gain from it. S. Kaioshin is the most powerful so he falls into the later category where even though the purity would normally be a negative he has enough ki for it to be a gain for Buu. So, to sum it all up, Powerlevel - Purity = Power Gain. If Powerlevel > Purity then Power Gain is positive. If Powerlevel < Purity then Power Gain is negative.

There doesnt have to be. Gohan fueled the Genki Dama with his Genki. Genki is a part of Ki. When Kibito Kaioshin gave some of his Genki he was exhausted and out of energy. He said he couldnt use a Ki based technique, Instant Transmission. This means that a lot of energy was taken. This means Gohan gave a good deal of his. If Kid Buu was weaker than Super Buu just Gohan's Genki should have been enough to kill Kid Buu but Goku said the Genki Dama formed from the Z-fighters Ki wasnt enough. Its kind of an indication of a power increase from Buu. I find far fetched myself but this is still just as logical as disregarding Dabura's statement because you dont like it

This could just be a mistake by Akira Toriyama, your looking for justification in something you know nothing about. Just because Kibito Kaioshin can't use IT doesn't mean Genki is the largest type of someones ki. It could merely mean that Kibito Kaioshin's IT relies more on the Genki portion of his ki than any of the other types as I stated before. If a character's powerlevel jumps all of a sudden by over 6 times its original amount someone WILL say. No character will go "Oh, his power jumped. I may as well keep this to myself" it would be explained. Your just dismissing the fact that nobody says anything to justify your answer. Somebody would say something regardless, whether it be Vegeta, Goku, Gohan or one of the Kai's.

Purity prevents some Ki from being gained... THANK YOU! That is a good answer I accept that one. Ok with that it would appear that Super Buu is superior. Thank you very much no one and I mean no one had a good counterargument. Like I said I wanted Super Buu to be superior and you gave a good reason. You now have 9,001 points of awesome .

[TheMightyOzaru]

Folks, you can't just say, "Nuh-uh. YOU!" and expect that to fly here. You agreed to have informed, engaging, polite discussions with your peers. If you're not interested in that, you're going to need to find another place to talk about Dragon Ball.

Please delete this topic I have now come to the conclusion that Super Buu is superior therefore this topic is no longer needed. Sorry for the unpoliteness presented here it just got a little out of hand.