Who is the biggest failure in the series: Yamcha or Chaozu?

[Gyt Kaliba]

The FUNi dub did flanderdize it quite a bit, but I think we'd still see those kind of jokes about Chi Chi even without it, because she's still not all that likeable in the original version, if you ask me anyway.

Oolong is clearly a bigger failure than both Yamcha and Chaozu

Are you kidding me? Oolong saved the world.

That's what I was just thinking. Just by the end of the first arc, Oolong has saved the world more than Yamcha or Chaozu ever get to really...ouch. Though come to think of it, that also means he saved the world before Goku ever did.

[Tanooki Kuribo]

I'd say Yamcha is the biggest failure. Because at least if Chaozu looses you can still be like "aw, look how cute he is". With Yamcha it's just... well, you've seen him.

[Gyt Kaliba]

I'd say Yamcha is the biggest failure. Because at least if Chaozu looses you can still be like "aw, look how cute he is". With Yamcha it's just... well, you've seen him.

You'd be surprised, my girlfriend has expressed that he's "hot". Then again, she says the same of Kuwabara from Yu Yu Hakusho, so what does she know.

...Wait...

[DBZAOTA482]

The FUNi dub did flanderdize it quite a bit, but I think we'd still see those kind of jokes about Chi Chi even without it, because she's still not all that likeable in the original version, if you ask me anyway.

I know, just saiyan.... that it's almost as though FUNi wanted her to be as unreasonable and unlikable to the audience as possible by cranking up the bitch dial to 110%, which is pretty cruel in hindsight especially considering she's the wife of the main protagonist. She should be treated with care, and respect. I also disagree she'd still be the subject of those jokes.

Anyways, who do you think is the bigger loser out of Yamcha and Chaozu?

[Gokuden]

I liked Bulma's character better in Z, it seemed consistent.
If it were a battle of looks, you know who'd win OP, Yamcha hands down.
Chaozu is a creepy doll.

[Rocketman]

The FUNi dub did flanderdize it quite a bit, but I think we'd still see those kind of jokes about Chi Chi even without it, because she's still not all that likeable in the original version, if you ask me anyway.

ChiChi is 100% likable. The problem is people identify with the manchild.

[Gyt Kaliba]

The FUNi dub did flanderdize it quite a bit, but I think we'd still see those kind of jokes about Chi Chi even without it, because she's still not all that likeable in the original version, if you ask me anyway.

ChiChi is 100% likable. The problem is people identify with the manchild.

That's true to an extent, but I still don't like Chi Chi (at least, not her adult self). I do like Goku more, but I'm not unaware of the fact of how horrible a person he really is either. He's a terrible father, rotten husband, and a pretty bad friend, who just happens to be charming enough that somehow, these failings get handwaved.

That doesn't change the fact that Chi Chi fails to see the big picture a lot of the time too. 'I don't care if the world is destroyed so long as my son studies.' ...Really? What exactly is he gonna put that studying to use for if there's no longer a world? THAT'S my problem with her.

Anyway, rant over, this is about Yamucha and Chaozu anyway. I still think that Chaozu is a bigger failure, especially after realizing how right an earlier post was about how you could literally rip him right out of the show and nothing would change.

[CaBrPi]

That doesn't change the fact that Chi Chi fails to see the big picture a lot of the time too. 'I don't care if the world is destroyed so long as my son studies.' ...Really? What exactly is he gonna put that studying to use for if there's no longer a world? THAT'S my problem with her.

I'm pretty sure it's more like, "Tell me all you want about the end of the world, Gohan needs an education." Seriously, she has no idea of Gohan's hidden powers until the Cell Games actually end, and probably just thinks Goku is exaggerating because he wants Gohan to be strong like him. You know how Goku is when he wants something.

But honestly, I think a lot of people forget that Chichi never actually witnesses Gohan in action until he starts fighting Cell... and the cameras go out before Gohan's full power is unleashed. She probably really has no idea.

Anyway, rant over, this is about Yamucha and Chaozu anyway. I still think that Chaozu is a bigger failure, especially after realizing how right an earlier post was about how you could literally rip him right out of the show and nothing would change.

Heheh, I'm glad someone noticed that.

[Gyt Kaliba]

I'm pretty sure it's more like, "Tell me all you want about the end of the world, Gohan needs an education." Seriously, she has no idea of Gohan's hidden powers until the Cell Games actually end, and probably just thinks Goku is exaggerating because he wants Gohan to be strong like him. You know how Goku is when he wants something.

But honestly, I think a lot of people forget that Chichi never actually witnesses Gohan in action until he starts fighting Cell... and the cameras go out before Gohan's full power is unleashed. She probably really has no idea.

Hmm...gotta admit, I never realized or thought about that. Now that you mention it, she never really does get to see him fight until much, much later...even going by the anime, she kept fainting or the crystal ball kept cutting out even during the Saiyan material. She saw none of Namek. She was with Goku for all of the Androids stuff really. So I guess she really does have no idea probably...

Still though, I have an urge to facepalm any time she reiterates that ideal of hers. And to go with what I said before, it's not that I hate Chi Chi. I don't. I just dislike her for the most part. I've gone back and forth over how I feel about her for a long time now. At first I absolutely hated her because all she seemed to do was whine about Gohan's involvement in all the fights. Then, later, I came to realize how lackluster of a person Goku really is, and I felt bad for Chi Chi. I never liked her, but I felt really bad for her, and understood where she was coming from. Then the next time I watched and heard her antics again...oi.

So now I'm just at a place where I understand her, but still find her really unlikeable, regardless of the language.

Anyway, rant over, this is about Yamucha and Chaozu anyway. I still think that Chaozu is a bigger failure, especially after realizing how right an earlier post was about how you could literally rip him right out of the show and nothing would change.

Heheh, I'm glad someone noticed that.

I'd never thought of that in that way before either haha, but it fit after you made me look at it again.

[DNA]

It's always about how much Yamcha or Chaozu suck, how come it's never about how much Yajirobe rules and no one notices? When we meet him, he's as strong as Goku, who's as strong as Ten Shin Han, who's stronger than Mutenroshi, and he didn't even had a martial arts master training him! If he actually took his training seriously, he would easily top over all the other humans. Take that Yamcha and Chaozu!

[Fizzer]

Yamcha did mention after the Cell Games that he had a girlfriend, but I think that's all we ever heard. Toriyama doesn't like drawing relationship stuff, which is probably why we never got deeper looks into the personal lives of the characters, especially the minor ones.

Maybe Chaozu actually is happier than Yamcha, but Yamcha is clearly a better character who did much more for the series. Chaozu is just Tenshinhan's equivalent of a shape-shifting cat.

Oolong saved the world, Yamcha saved the lives of Goku and multiple other main cast members, probably more than once, Yajirobe is stronger than Muten Roshi and played major parts in the defeats of both Piccolo and Vegeta, despite being terrified. Chaozu is just Ten's pet, and a plot device to explain major characters not going against each other in the preliminaries at the tournaments. Chaozu is a bigger failure than Mr Satan. The story might actually have been better without him.

As for Chichi, I'd much rather marry her than Goku, she's a solid, supportive, loving wife and mother who would never choose to be absent like Goku does, and she even understands that Goku is Goku and forgives him for all the crap. Goku would be better as a friend to have a good time with, but as a life partner, Chichi is far better. Also, she got into the finals at the 23rd Tenkaichi Bodoukai, Chaozu didn't.

[DBZAOTA482]

The FUNi dub did flanderdize it quite a bit, but I think we'd still see those kind of jokes about Chi Chi even without it, because she's still not all that likeable in the original version, if you ask me anyway.

ChiChi is 100% likable. The problem is people identify with the manchild.

That doesn't change the fact that Chi Chi fails to see the big picture a lot of the time too. 'I don't care if the world is destroyed so long as my son studies.' ...Really? What exactly is he gonna put that studying to use for if there's no longer a world? THAT'S my problem with her.

Given Chi-Chi is a bit of a drag but again, like Cipher said, it's hardly different from all the times Goku has overlooked the bigger picture for the sake of a good fight. Chi-Chi, like Goku, is quite naive (the old dub makes her smarter though...among other things).

It's always about how much Yamcha or Chaozu suck, how come it's never about how much Yajirobe rules and no one notices? When we meet him, he's as strong as Goku, who's as strong as Ten Shin Han, who's stronger than Mutenroshi, and he didn't even had a martial arts master training him! If he actually took his training seriously, he would easily top over all the other humans. Take that Yamcha and Chaozu!

Yes, no one can forget the awesomeness that is Yajirobe. The world would literally implode from his awesomeness. In fact, he's the last-ditch effort.

[Olympian]

Meh, they're only failures because they keep getting overshadowed by the saiyans and all these powerful beings. If you take the saiyans and all the extraterrestrials out of the equation, Yamcha and Chaotzu are some of the strongest beings on the planet. I'll even go ahead and say that Chaotzu might be able to beat Mr. Satan easily.

I don`t think the question of whether Chaotzu would beat Mr Satan easily or not should exist in the first place.

Yeah, the Boo Saga makes it pretty obvious that Satan is stronger, or Goku would have IT'd to Chiaotzu's ki instead of offering it to Satan.

Now where is my "not sure if serious" gif..?

[DNA]

Yes, no one can forget the awesomeness that is Yajirobe. The world would literally implode from his awesomeness. In fact, he's the last-ditch effort. :wink:

Right?? Honestly, when this guy appears he beats the shit out of Cymbal and eats him, just because he can fucking do it. He also saves Goku's life, climbs Karin tower with Goku on his back (no other guy climbed the tower with anyone on his back) and then he decides that he'll just fucking stay there. You know why Karin doesn't oppose him? Because he knows Yajirobe will just fucking kill and eat him too, that's fucking why! He gets called up to Kami's Palace to train and he just rolls around eating because he can't be arsed to actually do anything. Why? Because there's a bunch of idiots who'll do all the work for him. Guess what? They all get killed like morons and it's up to Yajirobe (AGAIN!), to save Goku's life from Vegeta transformed into a fucking Ozaru! Honestly, I think this guy doesn't fight so much to give everyone else a chance to shine, otherwise he would just embarrass them all.

[Fizzer]

Yes, no one can forget the awesomeness that is Yajirobe. The world would literally implode from his awesomeness. In fact, he's the last-ditch effort.

Right?? Honestly, when this guy appears he beats the shit out of Cymbal and eats him, just because he can fucking do it. He also saves Goku's life, climbs Karin tower with Goku on his back (no other guy climbed the tower with anyone on his back) and then he decides that he'll just fucking stay there. You know why Karin doesn't oppose him? Because he knows Yajirobe will just fucking kill and eat him too, that's fucking why! He gets called up to Kami's Palace to train and he just rolls around eating because he can't be arsed to actually do anything. Why? Because there's a bunch of idiots who'll do all the work for him. Guess what? They all get killed like morons and it's up to Yajirobe (AGAIN!), to save Goku's life from Vegeta transformed into a fucking Ozaru! Honestly, I think this guy doesn't fight so much to give everyone else a chance to shine, otherwise he would just embarrass them all.

Man, is Yajirobe the most intelligent character in the series? o.O

[DNA]

Man, is Yajirobe the most intelligent character in the series? o.O

Intelligent? I don't know. But smart? Wise? Yes. I think it was Conan who once said "The wise warrior only fights battles he knows he can win", doesn't that fit Yajirobe? Did you see him going to Namek? Or at the Cell games? Fuck no dude!

Furthermore, check this out: Yajirobe saved Goku's life twice. How many times did Kuririn save Goku's life? None. Kuririn died four times across the whole series. Yajirobe died once when everyone else in the entire Earth died. How many times did Goku save Kuririn? Too many. How many times did Goku save Yajirobe's life? None, he never needed it. Not to count the many times Yajirobe comes around just to bring everyone Senzus because he already knows Goku's moron friends will get killed or nearly there. Did Kuririn ever bring Goku Senzus? Nope, Goku brought him Senzus though. And Kuririn is Goku's best friend? What a shitty friend.

Yajirobe is the most underrated character in the franchise.

[sonikku956]

I wish Yajirobe stayed in the group. I mean, how does a samurai become as strong as Goku/Ten? Without any real training?