Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[Makaioshin]

I'm also in the minority of people who aren't bothered/upset at all by Bils/Birusu/Virus being stronger than Buu.

I'm pretty sure it's a majority of people who aren't bothered by it. The reason people were having this debate and bringing GT into things is because ... I don't know / remember why. I think it had something to do with Goku being beat.

I don't see how it's a problem with Bils being stronger, he is the god of Destruction,

Am I the only one who takes the whole Hakaishin thing as hype? B*s is a god, 100% positive, but I'd take it just as seriously as I took Dabura's Makai-Oh title. A fancy name that just meant the dude was strong, but never really saw the title literally being carried out. I mean, lets face it, every big bad in Dragon Ball is a God of Destruction.

I would agree with you but that line about him maintaining the balance of the universe makes me think otherwise.

[NeoKING]

I'unno, claiming to be the "God of Destruction" is something claimed in so much manga and anime, even Yi Xing Long claimed to be a/the Hakaishin in GT.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

The problem is that Rild is a machine mutant created by Dr. Myu and is a ruler of the planet. You would expect Myu to be creating something powerful. He had no problem creating Hell Fighter #17 who was stronger than Freeza. It's pretty clear that he was not just a side character.

When Goku commented that he was stronger than Boo, it was not specify which form of Boo he was talking about. It could be Fat Boo he was referring to, since later Rild was struggling against SSJ Goku. He was easily killed by Goku and Co.'s combined Kamehameha.

I conclude that Rild is stronger than Fat Boo, not Kid Boo.

I sure as hell wouldn't expect him to create something that powerful. If Rilld was stronger than Freeza or the Androids, fair game. But I don't see any reason why he should be as powerful as Majin Boo without adequate explanation.

Remember that GT has base Goku school Cell easily. That makes me think it's highly unlikely for Rilld to only be at Fat Boo's level (actually, which Fat Boo do you mean? Before or after he split with his evil half?). In the context of the story, I think it's most likely that he's talking about Pure Boo, even if it's ridiculous for him to be strong enough to fight someone stronger than Pure Boo in base/Super Saiyan - GT just has high scaling like that.

Base Goku can't beat Pure Boo. He would have to go SSj3 to beat him. Rild on other hand was struggling against SSJ Goku. I'm talking about Fat Boo after he spilt from Evil Boo. Before that, he was stronger than SSj2 Vegeta and Base Gotenks. Rild can't be on their level. Therefore he would be stronger than post Fat Boo.

There's no reason for Rild not to be on his level. He's a Machine Mutant, after all. That's a good excuse for that.

SSJ3 Goku>Pure Boo>SSJ Goku>Rild>Base Goku

[penguintruth]

"God of destruction" at least implies this god is in charge of something. It sure beats all the worthless, shiftless, lazy gods who stand around not helping at all, living in their serene environments, personal planets, palaces, looking down on the rest of us. I like to see a god at work, pulling his weight. Only other guy that seems to do any work is Yenma, and that's just stamping things.

Get a real job, you Kamidamn hippies!

[Michsi]

I'm also in the minority of people who aren't bothered/upset at all by Bils/Birusu/Virus being stronger than Buu. I don't care about where, if at all, GT fits in to this either. It's part of why I've been hanging back from posting for a little while, because none of that is stuff that matters to me. I want the movie to be fun and enjoyable, like the 08 special only with added action and higher stakes.

I also don't care if the bad guy is supposed to stronger than Goku/Gohan/Vegitto/Buu etc. There could be another thousand of Buu-like-beings trapped somewhere, all you need is a backstory for them, somebody who wants to free them and there, another super-powerful villain. Stuff like this won't make or break it for me. What I care most about is the execution of these plot ideas. Even if it's been done a thousand times before, if you do it differentily and you do it well, it can still be lots of fun.

[Saiga]

Base Goku can't beat Pure Boo. He would have to go SSj3 to beat him.

Rild on other hand was struggling against SSJ Goku. I'm talking about Fat Boo after he spilt from Evil Boo. Before that, he was stronger than SSj2 Vegeta and Base Gotenks. Rild can't be on their level. Therefore he would be stronger than post Fat Boo.

There's no reason for Rild not to be on his level. He's a Machine Mutant, after all. That's a good excuse for that.

SSJ3 Goku>Pure Boo>SSJ Goku>Rild>Base Goku

In the manga & anime, yes. In GT? Who knows. Since he can easily take out Cell in base, I don't think he'd need SS3 for Pure Boo.

This SS1 Goku could be stronger than his SS3 Z counterpart for all we know (I definitely think he is). So Rilld could definitely be stronger than Pure Boo. And there's no reason for that.

Although really even if he only was Fat Boo's level, that's still too strong to justify with nothing more than "he's a Machine Mutant".

[MasterVampire]

So in the description it says: Bils leaves, but his eerie remark of “Is there nobody on Earth more worthy to destroy…?”

Ok so Bils somehow is able to beak Goku (SSJ3 Goku?)


Surely fusion Vegeto should be able to take care of him?

[Saiga]

So in the description it says: Bils leaves, but his eerie remark of “Is there nobody on Earth more worthy to destroy…?”

Ok so Bils somehow is able to beak Goku (SSJ3 Goku?)


Surely fusion Vegeto should be able to take care of him?

I thought they broke all the remaining potara earrings?

[Bussani]

So in the description it says: Bils leaves, but his eerie remark of “Is there nobody on Earth more worthy to destroy…?”

Ok so Bils somehow is able to beak Goku (SSJ3 Goku?)


Surely fusion Vegeto should be able to take care of him?

I thought they broke all the remaining potara earrings?

Technically, weren't there three sets? Kaioshin's, Old Kaioshin's, and Kibito's. Goku and Vegeta only wrecked two of the sets.

Good luck getting Vegeta to agree to it, though.

[MasterVampire]

So in the description it says: Bils leaves, but his eerie remark of “Is there nobody on Earth more worthy to destroy…?”

Ok so Bils somehow is able to beak Goku (SSJ3 Goku?)


Surely fusion Vegeto should be able to take care of him?

I thought they broke all the remaining potara earrings?

Technically, weren't there three sets? Kaioshin's, Old Kaioshin's, and Kibito's. Goku and Vegeta only wrecked two of the sets.

Good luck getting Vegeta to agree to it, though.

Oh I was talking about Vegeta and Goku doing a fusion dance.

[Saiga]

Technically, weren't there three sets? Kaioshin's, Old Kaioshin's, and Kibito's. Goku and Vegeta only wrecked two of the sets.

Good luck getting Vegeta to agree to it, though.

Well, yeah... but Kaioshin and Kibito fused with different sets. And so one of Kaioshin's and one of Kibito's sets disappeared, and the others were destroyed by Goku and Vegeta.

[penguintruth]

Goku: Vegeta! Wear this earring!

Goku throws an earing. Vegeta catches it.

Vegeta: Forget it! I'm not doing that fusion thing again!

Goku (putting on two earrings): What fusion? I just think they'd look pretty.

Vegeta: You're messed up, Kakkarot.

[Bussani]

Well, yeah... but Kaioshin and Kibito fused with different sets. And so one of Kaioshin's and one of Kibito's sets disappeared, and the others were destroyed by Goku and Vegeta.

Eh, I see no reason for the two unused earrings to have disappeared forever. They were never seen in the manga again, but I'd presume they're still usable. Guess I can't prove that, though.

[Saiga]

Well, yeah... but Kaioshin and Kibito fused with different sets. And so one of Kaioshin's and one of Kibito's sets disappeared, and the others were destroyed by Goku and Vegeta.

Eh, I see no reason for the two unused earrings to have disappeared forever. They were never seen in the manga again, but I'd presume they're still usable. Guess I can't prove that, though.

I assumed they disappeared, but I realised it's actually impossible to tell from the manga. Where would they have gone, though?

[JeffJarrett]

Well, yeah... but Kaioshin and Kibito fused with different sets. And so one of Kaioshin's and one of Kibito's sets disappeared, and the others were destroyed by Goku and Vegeta.

Eh, I see no reason for the two unused earrings to have disappeared forever. They were never seen in the manga again, but I'd presume they're still usable. Guess I can't prove that, though.

I assumed they disappeared, but I realised it's actually impossible to tell from the manga. Where would they have gone, though?

Potara can be created by Shinjin, as Kibito created a pair when he gave Gohan Shin-jin clothes. But I don't think they'll use the Potara fusion. Maybe the fusion dance, but it won't be needed since Bils is not a bad guy. He didn't killed Goku when he defeated him, and Goku had the choice to battle him or not since King Kai told him to not accept the challenge.

[Hellspawn28]

How do you know that he is not a bad guy when the movie is not even out yet? Gogeta does not exist in the manga which means that he is likely not going to appear in the movie.

[JeffJarrett]

How do you know that he is not a bad guy when the movie is not even out yet? Gogeta does not exist in the manga which means that he is likely not going to appear in the movie.

Bardock didn't existed in the manga, he was created for a TV special, and then Toriyama added him in the manga. So your argument of characters created for the anime not being reusued in Toriyama's later works is invalid.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

...but it won't be needed since Bils is not a bad guy. He didn't killed Goku when he defeated him, and Goku had the choice to battle him or not since King Kai told him to not accept the challenge.

Being the god of destruction indicates that he is a bad guy... because he has the power to eradicate the universe.

Yi Xing Long has a similar title.

[VegettoEX]

I don't know that it's even appropriate to think of "good" or "evil" here. What defines "good"? What defines "evil"? Bils may have no horse in the race when it comes to caring about sentient beings, but rather just looking out for himself and keeping this apparent "balance" of the universe.

Let's be careful not to draw too many conclusions from things that are not yet explained.

[AnimeMaakuo]

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