Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

The robots don't have power level, at all. The only reason Goku was having trouble is because they are huge and are resistant to most of the physical attacks. Metal Jacket was done in only because of Goku's Kamehameha. Adjutant Black's Battle Jacket had fuel and equipments to give him speed and power.

They don't have ki.

[Xyex]

The robots don't have power level, at all. The only reason Goku was having trouble is because they are huge and are resistant to most of the physical attacks. Metal Jacket was done in only because of Goku's Kamehameha. Adjutant Black's Battle Jacket had fuel and equipments to give him speed and power.

They don't have ki.

It doesn't matter if they don't have ki. We've already established that ki and BP are not the same thing.

[lash]

Robots don't have power levels. Stop giving robots power levels.

Robots do have power levels. They just don't have ki. Ki and power level are not intrinsically linked. They are like squares and rectangles. All ki levels are power levels, but not all power levels are ki levels.

The robots don't have power level, at all. The only reason Goku was having trouble is because they are huge and are resistant to most of the physical attacks. Metal Jacket was done in only because of Goku's Kamehameha. Adjutant Black's Battle Jacket had fuel and equipments to give him speed and power.

They don't have ki.

It doesn't matter if they don't have ki. We've already established that ki and BP are not the same thing.

What are you talking about?
They are exactly the same thing. The two terms are even interchanged in the series.

[Saiga]

What are you talking about?
They are exactly the same thing. The two terms are even interchanged in the series.

No, to quote Xyex:

All ki levels are power levels, but not all power levels are ki levels.

We're not measuring their ki. We're measuring their effective power.

[lash]

I never even uttered the words power level or effective power.
Battle power and ki however, are the same exact thing.

[Mjb1985]

Piccolo vs Nail ( On Namek , Nail at full power )

[Bussani]

I never even uttered the words power level or effective power.
Battle power and ki however, are the same exact thing.

Well, battle power is a numerical representation of how much ki a person has, yeah. But Ginyu was able to guess Goku's battle power really accurately just by exchanging blows with him, thus you should be able to assign a rather accurate battle power to a robot in much the same way. They have no ki, but you'd be able to say, "They have the equivalent power of someone with a battle power of X," which is good enough for the purposes of these lists.

Piccolo vs Nail ( On Namek , Nail at full power )

I think you're in the wrong thread.

[Mjb1985]

Doh!

[Saiga]

I'm currently reworking my old battle powers list (no more 5x MSS boost for starters ) and I was just wondering who would be willing to give me extensive feedback on my new battle powers list if I submitted it?

[lash]

Well, battle power is a numerical representation of how much ki a person has, yeah. But Ginyu was able to guess Goku's battle power really accurately just by exchanging blows with him, thus you should be able to assign a rather accurate battle power to a robot in much the same way. They have no ki, but you'd be able to say, "They have the equivalent power of someone with a battle power of X," which is good enough for the purposes of these lists.

Nah, I know. I'm not arguing against that or anything.

I'm just refuting the misconception Xyex made that BP/ Battle power(as in, those exact words) isn't Ki. Because it most definitely is. The words are even interchanged in the series.

Of course I already know when one puts down a fan made number for a robot or something, that they don't actually mean that's the robot's Battle power number. I guess you could call it what Saiga called it: "Their effective power" as a number using the specifics of the last line of your post:"They have the equivalent power of someone with a battle power of X".

[Blackstripe]

Of course I already know when one puts down a fan made number for a robot or something, that they don't actually mean that's the robot's Battle power number. I guess you could call it what Saiga called it: "Their effective power" as a number using the specifics of the last line of your post:"They have the equivalent power of someone with a battle power of X".

This. I just wish more could wrap their head around this rather simple concept.

[Mjb1985]

Saiga I can...

Yea 5x won't work if you think Kiri is linear and that Gohan was a Ssj.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Power Levels are have been fixed and are on this page
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... start=1600

[Insertclevername]

I never really saw Oob to be that powerful, I always though Gokuu was just testing him and decided to stay on his level.

Also, out of curiosity, why is Goten way weaker than Trunks? Shouldn't he only be a little behind or basically even?

[Mjb1985]

Bardock > King Vegeta ?
SBC was 1,330 are you talking about the second anime rating?
Goku / Piccolo Weighted should be 334 / 322
Raditz is > 1,200 , Nappa states the Saibamen rival Raditz , equals in Viz . AT in an interview says Raditz > Saibamen as well.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I never really saw Oob to be that powerful, I always though Gokuu was just testing him and decided to stay on his level.

Also, out of curiosity, why is Goten way weaker than Trunks? Shouldn't he only be a little behind or basically even?

Uub is as amazin' as Goku thought he would be and from my POV he expected to be fighting someone as strong as Kid Buu since he is the reincarnation after all. Goten is weaker than Trunks but its never established how much weaker. As to why he is so much weaker at the end, Trunks seems like he would train more often living with Vegeta and all. These levels are also not quite finsished yet there are mistakes that need to be covered.

Bardock > King Vegeta ?
SBC was 1,330 are you talking about the second anime rating?
Goku / Piccolo Weighted should be 334 / 322
Raditz is > 1,200 , Nappa states the Saibamen rival Raditz , equals in Viz . AT in an interview says Raditz > Saibamen as well.

I know its stated that Raditz is stronger than a Saibaman but Raditz, last I checked, was afraid of Piccolo's first Mankankosappo which had a power level of 1,300+. Is Piccolo at that level? Hmm must have made a little mistake. Bardock seems stronger than King Vegeta to me though i'm not entirely sure.

[Mjb1985]

There's nothing wrong with

1,330 > Raditz > Saibamen

I usually place Raditz at 1,250.

I don't know, Bardock is stated to be ALMOST 10,000 , so he's not quite there yet. No mention on how he reflects against the King, although I would think if he surpassed King Vegeta , it would be noteworthy imo.

I usually go with

Prince Vegeta 12,500
King Vegeta 12,000
Bardock 9,500

[TheMightyOzaru]

There's nothing wrong with

1,330 > Raditz > Saibamen

I usually place Raditz at 1,250.

I don't know, Bardock is stated to be ALMOST 10,000 , so he's not quite there yet. No mention on how he reflects against the King, although I would think if he surpassed King Vegeta , it would be noteworthy imo.

I usually go with

Prince Vegeta 12,500
King Vegeta 12,000
Bardock 9,500

Fair enough I guess I would put Bardock at about 9,800. however:
http://www.kanzentai.com/bp.php?id=list
Its stated that Raditz has a power level of 1,500. I sense some error here.

[Mjb1985]

It's not stated that he's 1,500 in the manga but sure you can go with that.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

No way Goku has a base power of over 18 trillion.