DBZ portion of Manga to be in full color?!

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Re: DBZ portion of Manga to be in full color?!

Post by omegalucas » Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:41 pm

Pre-ordered it on CD-Japan.
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Re: DBZ portion of Manga to be in full color?!

Post by Cold Skin » Wed Jan 09, 2013 7:51 pm

omegalucas wrote:Pre-ordered it on CD-Japan.
And is it better and easier than on Amazon Japan?
I checked out the link, and searched the site for a bit, and this time - on the contrary of Amazon - there's no message like "you may have to deal with external entities related to the import and extra costs all on your own, good luck with that!".

There's still a bit of confusion with the many shipments available - though they give a little description of each one - but if at least you can pay once and for all and then just wait, having nobody or nothing to deal with after your initial buying, that's already more encouraging! Selecting the product, selecting the delivery, paying once and for all and just waiting to receive your product and enjoy it... That would avoid dissuasive complications.

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Re: DBZ portion of Manga to be in full color?!

Post by Mewzard » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:24 pm

I wonder how they'll decide the color for characters who never got a chance to be shown in full color. And what about backgrounds? What if the background they're in never got properly colored? How do they decide what colors to use for whatever might be shown? Especially if it's an Alien world, or an unnatural object?

Also, will they just color backgrounds as they exist? Or will they add little bits of detail in the coloring process? A nicely detailed background often looks great in color, whether it makes sense or not. Of course, pages meant to be colored will always look best (even though I changed the name of the topic, I'm still dreaming about it being done originally in full color, lol):

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Of course, there's always the Dragon Ball SD method of coloring:

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But I'm not sure if using the same coloring style as a spin off is quite the best answer (I really wish I had more full color manga examples, but outside of Saikyo Jump, I just don't see much of it, does anyone else have any good examples of full color manga?).

But we know Toriyama's style; even if he had color from the beginning, he'd still find a way to make it quick and easy for himself and his assistant (or assistants, as I imagine coloring weekly would need additional help):

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Toriyama's color choices here are quite good, and I think (should they go back to the original Dragon Ball material) they really could at least use these brief color pages as the basis for the style to do the modern coloration.

Do you guys think they're actually asking Toriyama's opinion on the coloring job or going with whatever, and if they are, do you think his memory on something as obscure as the occasional colored page is more of a detriment than a help to such a project?

Honestly, if a coloring job is going to be done, retaining Toriyama's style for full color might work best (but a guy can dream of the what if, can't he?).

Is there any scenes you guys are looking forward to seeing in color?

I'm always a fan of the Ginyu Tokusentai myself (Love me some Super Sentai, and parodies of it as well), I'm wondering how their looks and attacks will compare to the anime's choices.
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Post by omegalucas » Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:27 am

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omegalucas wrote:Pre-ordered it on CD-Japan.
And is it better and easier than on Amazon Japan?
I checked out the link, and searched the site for a bit, and this time - on the contrary of Amazon - there's no message like "you may have to deal with external entities related to the import and extra costs all on your own, good luck with that!".

There's still a bit of confusion with the many shipments available - though they give a little description of each one - but if at least you can pay once and for all and then just wait, having nobody or nothing to deal with after your initial buying, that's already more encouraging! Selecting the product, selecting the delivery, paying once and for all and just waiting to receive your product and enjoy it... That would avoid dissuasive complications.
The ports for Europe are definately cheaper. It was something like over 2000 yen on Amazon but on CD-Japan it's only 1200 yen.
I'm not 100% sure I'll buy them (my parents didn't seem to like the idea very much) though. I may have to cancel the pre-order later on. :problem:
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Re: DBZ portion of Manga to be in full color?!

Post by Puto » Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:13 am

Be very careful when ordering stuff from Japan to Portugal. If it costs more than 22€ including shipping, customs may charge you an arm and a leg for it after the fact.

(For a single, three-episodes DVD I ordered from Japan in December, I had to pay 86€ in customs). Make of that what you will.
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Re: DBZ portion of Manga to be in full color?!

Post by omegalucas » Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:41 am

Puto wrote:Be very careful when ordering stuff from Japan to Portugal. If it costs more than 22€ including shipping, customs may charge you an arm and a leg for it after the fact.

(For a single, three-episodes DVD I ordered from Japan in December, I had to pay 86€ in customs). Make of that what you will.
Wait... what? They can't charge more than 29% (or whatever our IVA is for that product, for books it's reduced - just 8% or somehing like it) over what you paid from the product (including shipping) plus the price of clearance (we may pay another tax but only if the product is over 150€).
I've imported several things from Japan (D-arts figures), and I only paid customs over one product. The product cost me almost 100€ with shipping, but I only paid about 30€ of customs.

Are you sure you didn't use a carrier like UPS or whatever that is? Those charge an arm and a leg...
How much did your DVD cost (with shipping), by the way? Se não for muita indiscrição... :wink:
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Post by SaiyaJedi » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:09 am

So, I don't know if this has been brought up yet (too lazy to check), but the "full-color comics" listings on Shueisha's website note that each volume will be shinsho/"new book" size (11 × 17 cm, same height and width as the original tankōbon), with 248 pages. This means they should each have one more chapter than the kanzenban release, for 16 chapters per volume, neatly closing out the arc with the last chapter.

Thus:
  • Saiyan arc vol. 1: 195 – 210
  • Saiyan arc vol. 2: 211 – 226
  • Saiyan arc vol. 3: 227 – 242
I suppose it's probably too early to speculate about the Freeza ones, but if the same pattern were to hold, Freeza arc volume 5 would end with chapter 322, which is still in the middle of things. At that point, they'd either have to carry on with a new arc name ("Super Saiyan" seems a likely candidate), or have 17 or 18 chapters per volume to get to the end of the Namek story arc in the allotted five books.
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Re: DBZ portion of Manga to be in full color?!

Post by the original ero-sennin » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:11 pm

I hope it's printed on higher quality paper like the Kanzenban. I'd be kinda bummed if it were printed on the same material as the tanks.

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Re: Would the manga have benefited from being in full color?

Post by Bardock the Mexican » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:19 pm

mattymoron wrote:I would kill for a fully colored version of the manga.
I'm more of a fan of the black and white newsprint look, just because I can't help but associate full color with those things called comics. Manga is black and white, so I guess my old school thinking is just going to have to die.

Anime is full color of the manga in a *perfect* world. The times they are a changin'... :(
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Re: DBZ portion of Manga to be in full color?!

Post by Cold Skin » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:28 pm

the original ero-sennin wrote:I hope it's printed on higher quality paper like the Kanzenban. I'd be kinda bummed if it were printed on the same material as the tanks.
I think it will be high quality paper like the Kanzenban, for one reason (and the main asset of this new collection): colors.
I can't imagine them printing a fully colored edition on bad quality paper.

Since they printed the Anime Comics on glossy paper, they don't seem to be afraid of using the kind of paper that's necessary for colors.
But we'll see.
My guess is that it will be Kanzenban-style paper, since it pretty much worked well with the color pages in the Kanzenban.

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Re: Would the manga have benefited from being in full color?

Post by Mewzard » Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:25 pm

Bardock the Mexican wrote:
mattymoron wrote:I would kill for a fully colored version of the manga.
I'm more of a fan of the black and white newsprint look, just because I can't help but associate full color with those things called comics. Manga is black and white, so I guess my old school thinking is just going to have to die.

Anime is full color of the manga in a *perfect* world. The times they are a changin'... :(
Manga is the Japanese word for Comics. Comics are comics whether they're made in America, Japan, or elsewhere. Always found people separating them to be a silly thing. Maybe because I'll be picking up any manga I get with the newest issue of Green Lantern when I go to the comic shop.
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Post by linkdude20002001 » Sat Jan 12, 2013 1:05 am

No, コミック (comic) is the Japanese word for comic. 漫画 (manga) is the Japanese word for cartoon; as in a comic or an animated show.
That's why even in the animated version of Dragon Ball, the Turtle Sage still says "This is a gag-manga".
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Post by mattymoron » Sat Jan 12, 2013 1:55 am

linkdude20002001 wrote:No, コミック (comic) is the Japanese word for comic. 漫画 (manga) is the Japanese word for cartoon; as in a comic or an animated show.
That's why even in the animated version of Dragon Ball, the Turtle Sage still says "This is a gag-manga".
I think the point he was making is that the other guy was implying that manga is somehow more mature than comics, when in reality they are equivalent.

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Post by linkdude20002001 » Sat Jan 12, 2013 2:05 am

Oh, is that what Bardock the Mexican meant? His wording confused me for some reason...
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Re: DBZ portion of Manga to be in full color?!

Post by mattymoron » Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:44 am

linkdude20002001 wrote:Oh, is that what Bardock the Mexican meant? His wording confused me for some reason...
The way he worded it seemed to imply as much. "Those things called comics..." seems like sort of a passive denigration of them.

Then again, perhaps he's not a native English speaker and I'm simply reading too much into it.

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Post by Mewzard » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:21 pm

So, I've heard VJump has new news about the manga in full color. Is this true? I think I heard something about the whole manga getting the color treatment.
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Post by SaiyaJedi » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:29 pm

Mewzard wrote:So, I've heard VJump has new news about the manga in full color. Is this true? I think I heard something about the whole manga getting the color treatment.
You'll find out on the site once I get a copy to sift through. Should be another couple hours. (They don't sell V-Jump in convenience stores around here, and the nearest bookstore to my workplace doesn't open until 10.)
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Post by Mewzard » Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:32 pm

SaiyaJedi wrote:
Mewzard wrote:So, I've heard VJump has new news about the manga in full color. Is this true? I think I heard something about the whole manga getting the color treatment.
You'll find out on the site once I get a copy to sift through. Should be another couple hours. (They don't sell V-Jump in convenience stores around here, and the nearest bookstore to my workplace doesn't open until 10.)
Really? Awesome, thanks Julian, you're the man! Now, if this is confirmed, all that will be left is to convince Viz to do an uncut release of this for us older, "Hardcore" fans, and I shall be greatly pleased.
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Post by Fizzer » Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:37 pm

Tankobon size for something like this, really? That seems strange, I really thought they'd do them kanzenban-sized or even bigger. Maybe they don't want the kanzenbans to become entirely obsolete - that sort of thing seems to be common practice these days.

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Post by AgitoZ » Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:00 pm

Mewzard wrote:Really? Awesome, thanks Julian, you're the man! Now, if this is confirmed, all that will be left is to convince Viz to do an uncut release of this for us older, "Hardcore" fans, and I shall be greatly pleased.
Yes, the version of the comic colorized digitally without, presumably, the original author as a consultant will certainly appease all the purists.

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