Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[Dabooyaka]

How lame, all this I already know from reading this very same thread. Kei is the fucking man...

[SaiyaJedi]

Major spoilers here is the summary off of wikia and i'm sure it is correct information.

I stopped reading right there.

[TheSonofKakarrot]

I know Dragonball has never been known for its plot but I can't say that I'm not severely disappointed with quite a few things, such as the alleged Gohan inconsistancies, Super Saiyan God and some other things that can lead to possible plot hole debates.

With that being said, I'm seeing the movie day one when it hits the states.

I do want to also thank everyone on this forum, especially kei, for all the info. This is definitely the best DB community around and I'm glad I have a place to come back to every so often to discuss Dragonball. I go as far back as when this place was "Vegetto EX" and the "planet namek" days so its good to know that 13 years later the DB community is still very much alive and kicking.

[goku the krump dancer]

Bils is leagues above everyone that has appeared before him this includes GotenksBoo and GohanBoo and maybe even Vegetto himself, so Unlocked Potential or not the result would be the same for Gohan (Ass Whooping).

Edit: My only gripe with the movie is that I don't know when the hell I'm going to be able to see it!!! I've enjoyed everything I've read and watched thus far and my patients is growing thinner and thinner I just want to see everything in action dammit lol. If I was in Japan right now the anticipation would be UNBEARABLE for me with only 13 days left until the official theatrical release.

[Thanos]

Bils is leagues above everyone that has appeared before him this includes GotenksBoo and GohanBoo and maybe even Vegetto himself, so Unlocked Potential or not the result would be the same for Gohan (Ass Whooping).

Yeah, that's definitely not a loophole. Gohan getting his ass kicked a loophole? Hello! Birusu is stronger than Vegetto (they said he was the strongest in the Dragon Ball universe so far until he says Uisu is stronger), and Vegetto would whoop Gohan's ass without even thinking about it... hell, he gave GohanBuu a run for his money, so there's no reason why what happens in the movie shouldn't happen. Super Saiyan or Ultimate form, it doesn't matter. The result is the same against Birusu.

[Marco Polo]

But there's the fact that they're giving the SSJ God powerup to Goku instead of Gohan.

[TheSonofKakarrot]

Bils is leagues above everyone that has appeared before him this includes GotenksBoo and GohanBoo and maybe even Vegetto himself, so Unlocked Potential or not the result would be the same for Gohan (Ass Whooping).

Not so much the whooping that has me disappointed, rather the transformation of Super Saiyan and the apparent "quick fix" of Gohan's hair and aura being changed at the last minute. Granted, I've witnessed from this thread that its left up to debate/interpretation but IMO, when comparing the original trailer and that fight scene, the animators originally intended for him to be SSJ.

Not to mention, didn't someone mention SSJ Vegeta holds his own against Bills for quite some time?

In any case, I'll be watching the movie with plot twists etc in the back of my mind. My best friend is big on Naruto and now "hates" Dragonball and this is one more thing he can nitpick when we debate which is why I'm upset

EDIT: Seems like people are reading my post wrong. No where in my post did I state Gohan getting thrashed is a loophole. I mentioned the Gohan inconsistencies (i.e. Super Saiyan) can possible be a loophole.

[Retan]

But there's the fact that they're giving the SSJ God powerup to Goku instead of Gohan.

What's wrong with that?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Not to mention, didn't someone mention SSJ Vegeta holds his own against Bills for quite some time?

We see both SS3 Goku & SS(2?) Vegeta fighting Bills better than Gohan or Gotenks did, but with Bills being stronger than Super Vegetto, he is most likely playing with them.

[Marco Polo]

But there's the fact that they're giving the SSJ God powerup to Goku instead of Gohan.

What's wrong with that?

Ultimate Gohan is stronger than Goku. They should be giving the powerup to him to increase their chance of beating Beers.

[Retan]

We've seen what happens when Gohans stronger then someone, he toys with them, plus it would be the same power, and Gohans not the fighter Goku is.

[Saiga]

Even if you don't believe Gohan is stronger than Goku, the movie states that Vegeta is stronger than Goku and they don't use him for the SSG either.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Ultimate Gohan is stronger than Goku. They should be giving the powerup to him to increase their chance of beating Beers.

But Gohan would still loose. Let's face it, Gohan is useless as a hero. The main villains he defeated are Cell, Bojack, and Broli, and in all cases he needed Goku's encouragement or he would be dead. He failed to defeat Cell & Boo when they were much weaker than him, and allowed both of them (accidentally) to power up & become equal (Cell) or stronger (Boo) than him.

So, let's just leave it to Goku.

Even if you don't believe Gohan is stronger than Goku, the movie states that Vegeta is stronger than Goku and they don't use him for the SSG either.

This as well. They obviously didn't choose the strongest one, just Goku because everyone trusts Goku more than anyone.

Now I wonder, did Vegeta got stronger than SS3 Goku only because of his rage, or maybe it was the result of his training?

[bleed0range]

As a small aside, does anyone have a quick link to that picture of battle-damaged Goku on the ground with everyone else crowded around him? I kind of need visual reference material for... a thing.

What's up with Piccolo's arm in that shot? It looks kinda weird.

I've been avoiding spoilers about the plot mostly but I was wondering what those giant stick things are in this image for awhile and now I'm wondering if they're giant chopsticks or something lol.

[Saiga]

But Gohan would still loose. Let's face it, Gohan is useless as a hero. The main villains he defeated are Cell, Bojack, and Broli, and in all cases he needed Goku's encouragement or he would be dead. He failed to defeat Cell & Boo when they were much weaker than him, and allowed both of them (accidentally) to power up & become equal (Cell) or stronger (Boo) than him.

He's not useless. Though he bungled things with Cell, at that moment he was just a child. Against Boo, that's really Gotenks' fault. Gohan knew something was up, and didn't want them to fuse, but the little shits didn't listen. True, he didn't immediately finish Boo to begin with, but Boo isn't exactly someone you can immediately finish.

So, let's just leave it to Goku.

Who mean the guy who lost the power up because he couldn't finish things in time? The guy who was lucky to remember the form's power to continue, and still lost? If only they had someone stronger than that to rely on...

[Retan]

Where are people getting the idea that SSJG Gohan would be stronger the SSJG Goku, Gohan gave Goku his power to become SSJG Goku too, and like I said Goku is a much more skilled fighter then Gohan.

[TheSonofKakarrot]

Where are people getting the idea that SSJG Gohan would be stronger the SSJG Goku, Gohan gave Goku his power to become SSJG Goku too, and like I said Goku is a much more skilled fighter then Gohan.

I'd rather save this for another thread, but going back to the Boo saga, Gohan >>> SSJ3 Goku.

Also, being a "skilled fighter" isn't really necessary in the DB world when you are overwhelming stronger than someone.

Toriyama and TOEI have tried this experiment before, with Gohan being the hero, and the fans/editors rejected the idea more than one occasion. I, nor anyone else, really expected him to try again.

EDIT: Also did I miss something? Is Movie 13 and the Dragon ball Z videogames now considered canon?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Also did I miss something? Is Movie 13 and the Dragon ball Z videogames now considered canon?

If you want to, they are canon. There is not an official canon for Dragon Ball.

[Retan]

Ummm skill is important if they would wind up bieng the same powerlevel!

As in Goku at the same power level as Gohan destroys Gohan! Which is what I think SSJG Gohan and SSJG Goku would be!

[AnimeMaakuo]

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