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If you had to choose something from each series that annoyed you the most what would they be ?
Here's mine.
Dragon Ball - Goku becoming so much stronger for running up and down Korin Tower.................it was 3 days how can he get THAT much stronger in that amount of time ?
Dragon Ball Z - Goten and Trunks becoming Super Saiyans, i hate it. They literally did nothing to even get that far, if it was that easy then Goku would have become a Super Saiyan in Dragon Ball, it's just really stupid. It's Goten reaching the form that really did my head in. He couldn't fly, he couldn't control his ki and his only sparring partners were Trunks and Chi Chi, it just made a the whole Super Saiyan thing look a bit of a joke in my opinion.
Dragon Ball GT - Goku becoming a kid. 15 or so episodes is fine but being a kid for the whole series just annoyed me, especially when he grew when becoming a Super Saiyan 4 It just makes no sense.
Dragon Ball: Drum getting taken out by Goku in one hit after he just finished kicking the crap out of Tien. Way to make all the non-Goku characters look completely useless. Fortunately it was made up by the awesome sequence right after.
Dragon Ball Z: A tie between Future Trunks appearing to stop Cyborg Freeza and Goten and Trunks going Super Saiyan. Both sound like something out of a really lame fanfiction, and both really piss on formerly epic things from the Namek arc.
Dragon Ball GT: Uub being fodderized in general, but especially when Omega Shenron just casually slaps him away.
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The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Dragonball - Anything to do with General Blue. By far the worst part of the arc in my opinion.
Dragonball Z - The entire Garlic Jr Saga. I just want to scream at the screen repeatedly throughout with every lameness or inconsistency. It's not because 'it's filler' - it's because it's crap.
Dragonball GT - I can kind of transcribe this one.
Gohan: Okay Dad, you've done enough. We can take it from here.
Goten: Right. Okay, Trunks, ready to fuse?
*Trunks nods affirmatively*
Goku: No! Wait!
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Dragonball- The Red Ribbon Army arc. I just thougt it was really slow, and wanted to get to the next tournament.
Dragonball Z- The Bulma filler on Namek. Killing crabs and talking to frogs does not make for entertaining television, in the middle of the biggest fight of the series.
GT- The whole Grand Tour arc. I didn't think it was funny, and I got tired of Goku wasting his time on these planets when he could have stomped everyone there effortlessly. Would have been way funnier if Vegeta was there.
Dragon Ball - I don't know about now, but when I was first reading it I was really sad to see Yamcha lose against Mummy just so Goku could be set up for awesome. Especially when he nearly won and Mummy used his bandages to swing back up. That general trend in Dragon Ball just annoys me.
Dragon Ball Z - Not counting anime-only material, Gohan getting fucked over in the Boo arc.
Dragon Ball GT - Shadow Dragons arc, easily.
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Saiga complaining about Yamcha getting fodderized? I never thought I'd see the day.
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Dragon Ball: It's rather hard to find something wrong with this series. I guess the worst part is segments of the red ribbon arc.
Dragon Ball Z: Gohan not turning Ssj2 more than once in the Buu arc, There is probably something more annoying but filler aside, when referring to the anime, I have very few complaints about DBZ overall.
Dragon Ball GT: Most of the series . The better question to ask when it comes to GT is what you like about it. I like Ssj4, Si Xing Long and the Shadow Dragon concept, the Tuffle king parasite concept.
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Dragon Ball: I hate Penguin Village episodes with passion.
Dragon Ball Z: Mister Satan during Cell Arc. Good god, I wanted to kill him. During Buu arc it was more acceptable and I actually laughed at him... but seriously, someone needed to at least leave him in a comma.
Dragon Ball GT: I... I can't take a pick. Just like TheMightyOzaru said is better to say what I liked of it:
I did like Vegeta's look for the later part of the series. I liked Ssj4 hair. I liked the emotional note to the ending with Goku and Krillin with a last spar.... I liked Dan Dan Kokoro Hikareteku... I guess that's it.
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Dragon Ball - This is a hard choice for me, especially since I love a lot of the stuff others dislike (like Blue, Penguin Village, etc.). Hmm...I honestly don't think I can think of anything.
Dragon Ball Z - Probably any and/or every single time Chi Chi starts in complaining about how she doesn't care if the Earth is destroyed so long as her son is 'safe' and 'in school'. Sure, if you mean 'safe' as in 'dead as a doornail' and 'in school' counts when he's in 'Tartarus High School', then sure! ...Yeah...
Dragon Ball GT - When Oob (after merging with Boo) goes down way too easily, making his doing anything at all (or trying to) completely pointless, just so they can have Goku save the day again. Bleh.
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Gyt Kaliba wrote:Dragon Ball - This is a hard choice for me, especially since I love a lot of the stuff others dislike (like Blue, Penguin Village, etc.). Hmm...I honestly don't think I can think of anything.
Dragon Ball Z - Probably any and/or every single time Chi Chi starts in complaining about how she doesn't care if the Earth is destroyed so long as her son is 'safe' and 'in school'. Sure, if you mean 'safe' as in 'dead as a doornail' and 'in school' counts when he's in 'Tartarus High School', then sure! ...Yeah...
Dragon Ball GT - When Oob (after merging with Boo) goes down way too easily, making his doing anything at all (or trying to) completely pointless, just so they can have Goku save the day again. Bleh.
You wrote what I am thinking. I picture the Oob situation like this
Majoob: Finally I can save the earth and fight along side Goku as an equal
Writters: HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHA (the laugh would sound like Cartmans) no
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
I can't think of any exceptionally annoying moments (manga-wise)
The pacing of the Red Ribon Army Saga (anime-wise)
Dragon Ball Z:
Gohan getting nerfed or at a larger scale, Kaioshin in general (manga-wise)
Anytime Vegeta is portrayed as a cowardly villain, or Namek/Freeza Saga fillers in general (anime-wise)
Dragon Ball GT:
The ENTIRE Black Star Saga is VERY painful to watch.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
GT was fanfiction - I just pretend it doesn't exist
but DBZ started it's decline when all battles are beam struggles instead of fighting, and it's about "transformations." I could have done without Gohan Goten and Trunks personally.
Dragon Ball: I find the first two volumes (the Pilaf arc) to be mostly boring.
Dragon Ball Z: The general ruining of Gohan's character progression after the Freeza arc.
Dragon Ball GT: What they did with Uub.
Movies: Who in the hell shit on the script of Movie 6 after Goku/Vegeta team up and bring down Coola?
Honorable mention: Why did Akira Toriyama make up a rule about the Dragon Balls NOT being able to bring the dead back whom passed from natural causes just to fub around said rule immediately? Why couldn't the Great Elder just be brought back because the Dragon Balls CAN do that? Weird plot maneuvering.
Dragonball GT - Vegeta being given a really dodgy haircut and a.... a.... moustache. Nooooooooooooo. (goes in the corner and rocks)
[b]"Ok, use your instincts Kakarott. Right or Left? (Hmmm... I'd have to say... left.) Good. Then I'm going right!" (Vegeta to Goku as they try to find their way to free the others inside Buu - Episode: The Innards of Buu)[/b]
Dragon Ball- not so much annoying but some of the gags got repetitive.
Dragon Ball Z- Suspense, some of it was as bad as some bollywood(hindi) drama/serials
Dragon Ball GT- everything except the ending (which for me made up for the lack of ending from Z)
The time skip between Cell and Boo. Gohan's an ugly teenager, Trunks is gone, Vegeta's other son and Goten exist, Gotenks steals our chance to see an interesting fusion like Piccolo and Gohan or Mirai Trunks and Gohan, and Videl could've been introduced a short time after the Cell Games (Gohan in middle school) with no problem.
In short, I wish we'd gotten the cast from movie 9 to be the cast for the Boo saga.
It just makes no sense.
. The better question to ask when it comes to GT is what you like about it. I like Ssj4, Si Xing Long and the Shadow Dragon concept, the Tuffle king parasite concept.
