The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Of course its closer to multiplication than addition.. if that were the case, Vegetto would have needed to absorb a spirit bomb just like Goku did in movie 7 just to stand up to Buuhan.

[VegettoEX]

Except that Vegetto only realized his power after turning SS and owning Boo.

And you get this from...?

Can we phrase things differently, please? You folks get into snark territory WAY too fast with these discussions. Maybe:

"Could you explain how you arrived at that conclusion? I don't see anything like that. Am I missing something in the dialog, perhaps?"

[Rocketman]

Except that Vegetto only realized his power after turning SS and owning Boo.

And you get this from...?

"Don't feel too bad. I'm surprised myself that you were so helpless."

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Except that Vegetto only realized his power after turning SS and owning Boo.

And you get this from...?

"Don't feel too bad. I'm surprised myself that you were so helpless."

He says that he was surprised that Boo was so helpless against Super Vegetto. Vegetto just thought that Boo wouldn't be that much weaker than him. If base Vegetto was millions of times stronger than base Goku, there wouldn't be any question about Vegetto's superiority against Boo. Not to mention that since Vegetto wanted to humiliate Boo, he should just use his base form & say to him something like (I don't even need to use more than 1% percent of my power do beat you, not to mention Super Saiyan" or something. Still, Vegetto decided to go Super Saiyan from the start, and stay like that until the very end.

[hleV]

He says that he was surprised that Boo was so helpless against Super Vegetto.

If Vegetto knew of his base power, then he would've known his SS power as well.

Vegetto decided to go Super Saiyan from the start, and stay like that until the very end.

Goku planned from the very start to go SS after fusing with Gohan (he consulted with Rou Kaioshin about that). And what's the point for Vegetto to revert to base if SS feels just the same to him...

[DBZGTKOSDH]

He says that he was surprised that Boo was so helpless against Super Vegetto.

If Vegetto knew of his base power, then he would've known his SS power as well.

I'm not saying that that he knew his full power, I'm saying that he should know about how strong he was. If Vegetto was thousands or millions of times stronger than Boo, then there shouldn't even be a question about Vegetto's superiority.

Goku planned from the very start to go SS after fusing with Gohan (he consulted with Rou Kaioshin about that).

And Rou Kaioshin told him that he didn't have to, because Potara are that amazing.

[hleV]

I'm not saying that that he knew his full power, I'm saying that he should know about how strong he was.

If he's millions of times stronger than Goku, I can easily see Vegetto being unable to easily measure such enormous power he holds.

If Vegetto was thousands or millions of times stronger than Boo, then there shouldn't even be a question about Vegetto's superiority.

There was never a question about Vegetto's superiority.

And Rou Kaioshin told him that he didn't have to, because Potara are that amazing.

Rou Kaioshin was talking about Goku and Gohan's fusion.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

If he's millions of times stronger than Goku, I can easily see Vegetto being unable to easily measure such enormous power he holds.

To the point he can't tell if he has to use Super Saiyan or not? I disagree.

There was never a question about Vegetto's superiority.

There was never a question about Super Vegetto's superiority. If base Vegetto could beat Gohan Boo (or at least, humiliate him to the point Boo would absorb him), he would have done it.

Rou Kaioshin was talking about Goku and Gohan's fusion.

Then why did you bring this up?

[hleV]

To the point he can't tell if he has to use Super Saiyan or not? I disagree.

Vegetto didn't know that he could own Boo so easily. This translates to Vegetto not realizing about his power. This completely justifies him going SS.
... Are you arguing just for the sake of BOG?

There was never a question about Super Vegetto's superiority. If base Vegetto could beat Gohan Boo (or at least, humiliate him to the point Boo would absorb him), he would have done it.

There was never a question about the superiority of Vegetto in general.
Are you seriously trying to prove your truths by the fact that Vegetto didn't revert to base once he realized how much stronger than Boo he was? Because if you are, it doesn't work.

Then why did you bring this up?

I told that Goku was planning to go SS. That's what he did after fusing with Vegeta.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Vegetto didn't know that he could own Boo so easily. This translates to Vegetto not realizing about his power. This completely justifies him going SS.

Let's say that what you say is true. Why didn't Vegetto revert back to base if he could do the same things to Boo? Wouldn't this be even more humiliating for Boo?

... Are you arguing just for the sake of BOG?

Nope.

Are you seriously trying to prove your truths by the fact that Vegetto didn't revert to base once he realized how much stronger than Boo he was? Because if you are, it doesn't work.

Why?

I told that Goku was planning to go SS. That's what he did after fusing with Vegeta.

If he really was holding such power in base, he would have noticed at least glimpse of it, and this glimpse would be more than enough to do to Boo the things he did to him, if he is as strong as you say. So, there would be no reason to go Super Saiyan.

[hleV]

Let's say that what you say is true. Why didn't Vegetto revert back to base if he could do the same things to Boo? Wouldn't this be even more humiliating for Boo?

Why would it make a difference for Vegetto whether he's SS or not? The important thing is that Boo is getting owned. If Vegetto wasn't a FPSS and being a SS actually strained him, then that would be an argument. Now it makes no sense whatsoever to judge anything from the fact that Vegetto was a SS.

Are you seriously trying to prove your truths by the fact that Vegetto didn't revert to base once he realized how much stronger than Boo he was? Because if you are, it doesn't work.

Why?

Because, unlike when going SS, there was no reason for Vegetto to revert to base form.

If he really was holding such power in base, he would have noticed at least glimpse of it, and this glimpse would be more than enough to do to Boo the things he did to him, if he is as strong as you say.

Are you actually basing this on something? (A rhetorical question, no you're not.) It seems you've ran out of valid arguments and now try to justify your theory by bringing up random what-ifs. I could just as easily say that Vegetto in fact couldn't have done what you just said. If it's come to this, we should just stop.

[Kamiccolo9]

Grampa Gohan (Baba Arc) vs Jackie Chun (21st Budokai)

[dbzfan7]

Grampa Gohan (Baba Arc) vs Jackie Chun (21st Budokai)

I think Gohan would be stronger.

[Saiga]

Grampa Gohan (Baba Arc) vs Jackie Chun (21st Budokai)

I too think Gohan would be stronger, maybe as a result of training in the afterlife?

[Kamiccolo9]

My bad, I thought that they'd be about even considering their respective performances against Goku, but I forgot about Goku's powerup at Korin's Tower. Sooooo... lets change this to
Grandpa Gohan (Baba Arc) vs Krillin (22nd Budokai)

[dbzfan7]

My bad, I thought that they'd be about even considering their respective performances against Goku, but I forgot about Goku's powerup at Karin's Tower. Sooooo... lets change this to
Grandpa Gohan (Baba Arc) vs Krillin (22nd Budokai)

Krillin

[Saiga]

My bad, I thought that they'd be about even considering their respective performances against Goku, but I forgot about Goku's powerup at Karin's Tower. Sooooo... lets change this to
Grandpa Gohan (Baba Arc) vs Krillin (22nd Budokai)

I'm not sure. Kuririn fared pretty badly, but Goku had also gotten stronger from his training. I'd think Kuririn would be stronger than Gohan.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

@hleV

What I'm trying to say is that if Vegetto could beat Boo at base, he would do it in base, not in Super Saiyan. There is no evidence in the manga that base Vegetto is stronger than Gohan Boo, or even close in power.

[hleV]

@hleV

What I'm trying to say is that if Vegetto could beat Boo at base, he would do it in base, not in Super Saiyan. There is no evidence in the manga that base Vegetto is stronger than Gohan Boo, or even close in power.

And I'm saying that Vegetto didn't know that he could beat Boo in base at first, and after realizing it he was already a SS. No point in reverting to base because SS feels like base to him anyway. Not to mention that it wouldn't look cool from reader's perspective.

I'll remind you that we're arguing whether Vegetto going and staying as a SS against Boo anyhow suggests how his base form compared to Boo. And you have no argument (that I didn't counter) for that to be the case.

I could throw in a few additional ideas (although that's absolutely unnecessary) for why Vegetto kept being a SS after realizing how powerful he was, but you probably wouldn't care about them just as much as I don't care about your baseless assumptions.

Let's just let people continue discussing versuses instead of overshadowing them with our debate, as I don't see you bringing up any new arguments that would be worth consideration.

[rereboy]

To be fair, it would be far more logical for Vegetto to power down to his base if his base could handle Buu.

Like it was shown, his SSJ power was overkill, Buu didn't stand a chance. That being the case, and if his base could handle Buu, given what we know of Goku's and Vegeta's personalities, it would be coherent with those personality traits for Vegetto to power down to his base so that he could have more fun and a better fight, while still being able to handle Buu and humiliate him.

Of course, there is no proof of one case or the other, this is all opinion. But I do think its more likely that the reason he didn't power down was because he didn't think he could handle Buu in his base. Other scenarios are certainly possible, but I think that they aren't as likely.