18 was not going all out against the boys. She would not risk killing random humans which is what she thought they were. Also Battle of Gods which is written by Toriyama has Freeza>Base Saiyans.Cardle grave wrote:Base Goten or Trunks can semi rival Android 18 who 2 shot Trunks SSJ in android saga who is stronger then the trunks that Destroyed Machine freeza
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They were barely touching her until they went SSJ. And they had the advantage of controlling separate arms and legs.Cardle grave wrote:Base Goten or Trunks can semi rival Android 18 who 2 shot Trunks SSJ in android saga who is stronger then the trunks that Destroyed Machine freeza
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If anything the boy where not going all out of 18 as there both where restricted. There is no proof that 18 held back.
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And?Cardle grave wrote:Base Goten or Trunks can semi rival Android 18 who 2 shot Trunks SSJ in android saga who is stronger then the trunks that Destroyed Machine freeza
Right, because C-18 would go all out against a human.Cardle grave wrote:If anything the boy where not going all out of 18 as there both where restricted. There is no proof that 18 held back.
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Yes because 18 will go all out on humans and risk killing them and losing money. The boys went SSJ because they couldn't beat her in base. I have SSJ boys above 18, but base boys are definitely not.Cardle grave wrote:If anything the boy where not going all out of 18 as there both where restricted. There is no proof that 18 held back.
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Do you see Android trying to Kill SSJ vegeta when vsing him ?
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First thing Grammar check.Cardle grave wrote:Do you see Android trying to Kill SSJ vegeta when vsing him ?
Also she had no intent for killing Vegeta in their first fight. If she wanted to she could have easily.
Lastly the creator himself put Base Saiyans below Freeza in the recent movie. That debunks anything you have to say.
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Alright then if she didn't want to kill Vegeta then why would she want to kill Mighty mask. Not to mention you got Trunks and Goten Trying not to kill 18
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She didn't want to kill Mighty Mask. That would disqualify her from the tournament. And I will repeat this on more time.Cardle grave wrote:Alright then if she didn't want to kill Vegeta then why would she want to kill Mighty mask. Not to mention you got Trunks and Goten Trying not to kill 18
Akira Toriyama, The Creator of Dragon Ball said Freeza>Base Saiyans in the latest movie. Your argument is invalid
Your arguing against the Creator. You can't win.
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Well you are right, Whatever the Creator say is right Somehow
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dbzfan7 wrote: Akira Toriyama, The Creator of Dragon Ball said Freeza>Base Saiyans in the latest movie. Your argument is invalid
Your arguing against the Creator. You can't win.
Why are we capitalizing "creator?" Has Toryama achieved deity status now?Cardle grave wrote:Well you are right, Whatever the Creator say is right Somehow
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Yes. He is Tori-bot in DB.Kamiccolo9 wrote:dbzfan7 wrote: Akira Toriyama, The Creator of Dragon Ball said Freeza>Base Saiyans in the latest movie. Your argument is invalid
Your arguing against the Creator. You can't win.Why are we capitalizing "creator?" Has Toryama achieved deity status now?Cardle grave wrote:Well you are right, Whatever the Creator say is right Somehow
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Just because his intent may have been to have the Base Saiyans below Freeza at that point in the series does not mean he did not contradict himself within the original release of the manga. If it was so clear cut there would not have been 20 years of discussion on the subject.dbzfan7 wrote:Akira Toriyama, The Creator of Dragon Ball said Freeza>Base Saiyans in the latest movie. Your argument is invalid
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Goku could simply be suppressed. I certainly think he was. Yeah I don't think Goku should be too far ahead of Freeza in any case but still.dbzfan7 wrote:She didn't want to kill Mighty Mask. That would disqualify her from the tournament. And I will repeat this on more time.Cardle grave wrote:Alright then if she didn't want to kill Vegeta then why would she want to kill Mighty mask. Not to mention you got Trunks and Goten Trying not to kill 18
Akira Toriyama, The Creator of Dragon Ball said Freeza>Base Saiyans in the latest movie. Your argument is invalid
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I' not ruling that out. The point is he is around Freeza only.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Goku could simply be suppressed. I certainly think he was. Yeah I don't think Goku should be too far ahead of Freeza in any case but still.dbzfan7 wrote:She didn't want to kill Mighty Mask. That would disqualify her from the tournament. And I will repeat this on more time.Cardle grave wrote:Alright then if she didn't want to kill Vegeta then why would she want to kill Mighty mask. Not to mention you got Trunks and Goten Trying not to kill 18
Akira Toriyama, The Creator of Dragon Ball said Freeza>Base Saiyans in the latest movie. Your argument is invalid
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Show me proof that Toriyama wrote that line.
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BoG is a continuation of the manga so an exact line is unnecessary.RandomGuy96 wrote:Show me proof that Toriyama wrote that line.
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Yes, actually it is. Unless you have proof Toriyama wrote that, then this movie has no more validity than the movies that have the base saiyans stronger than Freeza.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Because it doesn't fit what you want right. Toriyama wrote the story while Watanabe wrote the script.RandomGuy96 wrote:Yes, actually it is. Unless you have proof Toriyama wrote that, then this movie has no more validity than the movies that have the base saiyans stronger than Freeza.
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RandomGuy96 wrote:Yes, actually it is. Unless you have proof Toriyama wrote that, then this movie has no more validity than the movies that have the base saiyans stronger than Freeza.
Toriyama wrote the story and wrote it as if he continued his story. This movie is apart of the Manga's timeline.I tried thinking up an original story, imagining it as though [the manga's] serialization had continued.
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