Listing for "Ocean Dub"-specific DBZ: "Rock the Dragon" Set

[90sDBZ]

I expect the Japanese track listed is most likely just referring to the movies and not the episodes.

[Scott]

- Will the Japanese audio be included on anything?

The RightStuf listing says no.

Maaaaybe I'd be interested if they did boxed sets of the whole thing, as I am an American and the post-Freeza arc Ocean Dub is essentially mythical to me. Purely out of curiosity.

Trust me you're not missing out on anything good. If you don't want your fond memories of the early Ocean dub ruined then I suggest you avoid the later Ocean dub as it doesn't even come close to their early dub. Plus I'm pretty sure Funi don't hold the rights to it.

I liked it more from the Android saga onwards and it would be awesome if they released that as well, but i am pretty sure this will never ever happen.

[penguintruth]

I don't see how or why a Japanese track would even be on there. The entire point of the set is nostalgia for the Ocean dub of DBZ as it aired on Toonami. And with things cut the way they were, they would have to restore footage and bring back VAs to redo bits taken out, which would lead it to being more than 53 episodes.

The only reasons I can even tolerate such a release are because it's being marketed entirely as a nostalgia-for-this-dub version and plenty of bilingual releases are already available. I just find it amusing that people would shell out money for what is a significantly inferior version of the current products.

I wonder if this will lead to a new surge in English dub preference arguments. I hope more people come around to my respect for Peter Kelamis as Goku.

[NitroEX]

It would be pretty funny if they did include a Japanese voice track but only with Shuki Levy music. Obviously that won't happen though.

[samuraix123]

Will this release pop up on sites like Walmart to pre-order? I haven't got a-lot of stores around me. lol Don't have Ebay either..Got Amazon though! I was hoping to hear something about the quality on DVDs. I suppose it will be the same as the original release?

[TheWhiz]

It would be pretty funny if they did include a Japanese voice track but only with Shuki Levy music. Obviously that won't happen though.

[TheWhiz]

I don't see how or why a Japanese track would even be on there. The entire point of the set is nostalgia for the Ocean dub of DBZ as it aired on Toonami. And with things cut the way they were, they would have to restore footage and bring back VAs to redo bits taken out, which would lead it to being more than 53 episodes.

The only reasons I can even tolerate such a release are because it's being marketed entirely as a nostalgia-for-this-dub version and plenty of bilingual releases are already available. I just find it amusing that people would shell out money for what is a significantly inferior version of the current products.

I wonder if this will lead to a new surge in English dub preference arguments. I hope more people come around to my respect for Peter Kelamis as Goku.

Japanese Audio track is for the movies. They had it on the Pioneer DVD's.

[ABED]

I don't see how or why a Japanese track would even be on there. The entire point of the set is nostalgia for the Ocean dub of DBZ as it aired on Toonami. And with things cut the way they were, they would have to restore footage and bring back VAs to redo bits taken out, which would lead it to being more than 53 episodes.

The only reasons I can even tolerate such a release are because it's being marketed entirely as a nostalgia-for-this-dub version and plenty of bilingual releases are already available. I just find it amusing that people would shell out money for what is a significantly inferior version of the current products.

I wonder if this will lead to a new surge in English dub preference arguments. I hope more people come around to my respect for Peter Kelamis as Goku.

The script is lacking, though it's not nearly as bad as season 3, but the actors are leaps and bounds ahead of their successors' early efforts. The big reason I'm not a fan of Kelamis is because how hard he tries. He tries too hard to be Goku.

[90sDBZ]

@Scott
Well I respect your opinion but I can't really understand how anyone could even tolerate the later Ocean dub let alone enjoy it. If it had used Shuki Levy music or Kikuchi instead of that boring and repetitive Megaman music then it might have been halfway tolerable. I feel like Ocean's Android-Kid Buu dub was like their equivalent of Funi's Season 3 except with music that put you to sleep to make it even worse. Funi wouldn't release that even if they did hold the rights because it never aired in the US.

[dbboxkaifan]

It would be a cool experiment if they used the original DBZ music (by Kikuchi) with the Ocean Dub, which has never been done before.

I want it to be listed on Amazon so badly! I want to pre-order it asap!

[TheBlackPaladin]

It would be a cool experiment if they used the original DBZ music (by Kikuchi) with the Ocean Dub, which has never been done before.

I want it to be listed on Amazon so badly! I want to pre-order it asap!

Supposedly, the decision to replace the music in the Westwood dub was a decision made by the Canadian TV network execs. If the Westwood dub had used the Kikuchi music (like the Blue Water dubs for DB and GT did)......then that would have been quite interesting (not to mention more enjoyable). Because when people talk about the "low production values" of the Westwood dub, the example that they immediately point to is the music. I wonder if the Westwood dub would still have been accused of low production values if they had used the Kikuchi music.

[NitroEX]

@Scott
I feel like Ocean's Android-Kid Buu dub was like their equivalent of Funi's Season 3 except with music that put you to sleep to make it even worse.

Can't agree with you there. The later ocean dub is better than that. If anything Funi's season 3 was more Blue water GT level of quality IMO and that's mainly due to the Faulconer soundtrack making the bad acting less apparent. I'de wager to say if Funi's first dub had the Japanese soundtrack the acting during the Freeza saga would sound even more wooden than Blue Water.

[Scott]

@Scott
Well I respect your opinion but I can't really understand how anyone could even tolerate the later Ocean dub let alone enjoy it. If it had used Shuki Levy music or Kikuchi instead of that boring and repetitive Megaman music then it might have been halfway tolerable. I feel like Ocean's Android-Kid Buu dub was like their equivalent of Funi's Season 3 except with music that put you to sleep to make it even worse. Funi wouldn't release that even if they did hold the rights because it never aired in the US.

I actually kind of like the Megaman music, i think it fits in really well. I have come to the conclusion that i am one of the only people that does like it though

I am wondering if this new release will be any different than the Madman releases. I know they have extras and a booklet but i am wondering if it will be remastered, because if there is no improvement in picture quality then i will probably not bother getting it. I already have the films and Madman set so i'm not going to pay a chunk of money for something i already have plus a few extras.

[NitroEX]

I actually kind of like the Megaman music, i think it fits in really well. I have come to the conclusion that i am one of the only people that does like it though

You're not alone. I too enjoyed it growing up. I was never bothered by the fact that it was from another show since I had never seen the Megaman cartoon and I don't think any of my peers did either. It's a shame the BGM was never released but I guess that's one of many cartoon soundtracks that will never see the light of day.

[90sDBZ]

It would be a cool experiment if they used the original DBZ music (by Kikuchi) with the Ocean Dub, which has never been done before.

I want it to be listed on Amazon so badly! I want to pre-order it asap!

Supposedly, the decision to replace the music in the Westwood dub was a decision made by the Canadian TV network execs. If the Westwood dub had used the Kikuchi music (like the Blue Water dubs for DB and GT did)......then that would have been quite interesting (not to mention more enjoyable). Because when people talk about the "low production values" of the Westwood dub, the example that they immediately point to is the music. I wonder if the Westwood dub would still have been accused of low production values if they had used the Kikuchi music.

Well I always got the impression that they couldn't afford to use Kikuchi's music so just took the cheapest route available and lifted music from other shows. There were some good tracks in there but the few that were good ended up being waaaay overplayed. From the Android saga up until the Fat Buu saga the music they used was seriously limited and made the series a chore to sit through for me. In the Fusion saga they did introduce some new tracks, some of which sounded pretty good. The problem was that this improvement came way too late in the series for me to be able to look back on the overall dub in a positive light.

@Scott
I feel like Ocean's Android-Kid Buu dub was like their equivalent of Funi's Season 3 except with music that put you to sleep to make it even worse.

Can't agree with you there. The later ocean dub is better than that. If anything Funi's season 3 was more Blue water GT level of quality IMO and that's mainly due to the Faulconer soundtrack making the bad acting less apparent. I'de wager to say if Funi's first dub had the Japanese soundtrack the acting during the Freeza saga would sound even more wooden than Blue Water.

More wooden than Blue Water GT? Is that even possible? I know Funi weren't great in season 3 but I'd still say they weren't as bad as that. My personal all-time low point of English dubbed DBZ was the Ocean dub of the Android saga. It was like the once great Ocean cast were imitating the ones that were hired to imitate them.

[NitroEX]

I don't see how Funi's first in house dub attempt was any better than the Blue Water dub. I'm not really fond of either Blue water's GT or Funi's earliest dubbing attempts but music aside the acting is really no better in the Freeza episodes and honestly why would it be? Funi had just hired those actors most of which had never done any voice work before DBZ and it shows. Sure they improved as time went on but a lot of their earliest stuff is noticeably flat, fortunately for them music makes everything sound a little better and that's something their dub wasn't short of.

It's easier to paint the Blue water stuff in a worse light simply because it's GT but I genuinely think the acting (while still bad) is equally as bad as Funi's season 3.

[penguintruth]

I agree with 90sDBZ on that later Ocean dub (the Westwood one). It's like they resurrected your dog but he came back wrong. The Westwood Ocean dub is the Pet Cemetery of DBZ dubs. Suddenly previously decent VAs were horrible and already horrible ones were worse.

Though, in their defense, it had been a while since a lot of them had played those parts. The only reason the Funimation VAs (and not even all of them) are okay today is because they played them for over a decade in both the TV show and billions of video games.

I think the only VA that held it together was Scott McNeil. Because he's effing Scott McNeil, guy.

(Brad Swaile was a great older Gohan, though.)

[TheBlackPaladin]

It's like they resurrected your dog but he came back wrong.

I'm not gonna say whether I agree with that or not, but I found that phrasing funny. So in other words, the Westwood dub was the Frankenweenie of DBZ dubs?

[Ryuji-Otogi]

It's like they resurrected your dog but he came back wrong.

I'm not gonna say whether I agree with that or not, but I found that phrasing funny. So in other words, the Westwood dub was the Frankenweenie of DBZ dubs?

That's what I thought too.

[ABED]

The only reason the Funimation VAs (and not even all of them) are okay today is because they played them for over a decade in both the TV show and billions of video games.

Just wondering who you think hasn't improved.