The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[PerfectFreeza]

He targeted Trunks in the first round and slammed him into a wall.
No, Gohan's done the worst out of the bunch besides maybe Vegeta, but he made the biggest difference, when giving Goku ki.Piccolo could be stronger, who knows?
Nothing in M9 indicates him being stronger than Trunks.In fact, it seems they all take turns on Bojack's gang in the order they are strong in.First the humans, then Piccolo, then Trunks, then Vegeta and then finally Gohan.
And no, I am basing him off being the weakest over how he was presented.
They show images of the next event as well.
The manga isn't inconsistent.Did you see 16 damage Semi-Cell at any point?
No, I am talking about this:

See the motion lines?That's Super 13 budging at Piccolo's hits.They never appear, when Goku and the others attack, meaning Piccolo is the strongest.
I don't understand the ''Why is Broly and cell are the same''.
While Goku was probably intending to rely on Gohan's powers, he expected Gohan to fight as FPSSJ as well and intended to have Gohan probably get angry over his own pain.
Cell could kill Gohan for all he knew.Broly was going for the kill, but Gohan's powers aren't brought up, not even his regular SSJ.
The gap between them IS a lot bigger, but the gap between M8 Gohan and CG Gohan is also ridiculous.Big difference, but that just means Cell could be holding back even more, than people think.
Yes it is clear.Goku tells Gohan to leave, Gohan has the least clothes damage, lasts the shortest besides Vegeta and wasn't known to be strongest of the Z-Fighters in the anime at the time the movie was released.

[Cardle grave]

He targeted Trunks in the first round and slammed him into a wall.No, Gohan's done the worst out of the bunch besides maybe Vegeta, but he made the biggest difference, when giving Goku ki.Piccolo could be stronger, who knows?

Yeah but in the end who was he going to kill ?

Nothing in M9 indicates him being stronger than Trunks.In fact, it seems they all take turns on Bojack's gang in the order they are strong in.First the humans, then Piccolo, then Trunks, then Vegeta and then finally Gohan.

Actually piccolo may even be stronger then Vegeta since he can actually hit bojack while vegeta didn't. Funny how you all over the movie 9 Z fighters in the good way but downplaying the Z fighters in movie 8. How sad

And no, I am basing him off being the weakest over how he was presented.They show images of the next event as well.The manga isn't inconsistent.Did you see 16 damage Semi-Cell at any point?

I actually said the manga is inconsistent

No, I am talking about this: See the motion lines?That's Super 13 budging at Piccolo's hits.They never appear, when Goku and the others attack, meaning Piccolo is the strongest.

Your joking right, like your not being serious are you ?

While Goku was probably intending to rely on Gohan's powers, he expected Gohan to fight as FPSSJ as well and intended to have Gohan probably get angry over his own pain.

Your not understanding, he wasn't relying on his FPSSJ power, only his rage.

Cell could kill Gohan for all he knew.Broly was going for the kill, but Gohan's powers aren't brought up, not even his regular SSJ.

if he wanted to kill gohan he would of done it already not try to make him angry, jesus what are you a mead reader now. Why would gohan gets his powers brought out ? does it look like broly is giving me the chance to do it like cell did. No he was going to kill him and end him not drag it out. Plus his not the guy who toei planned out to beat broly obviously it was goku since he had the beef with him.

The gap between them IS a lot bigger, but the gap between M8 Gohan and CG Gohan is also ridiculous.Big difference, but that just means Cell could be holding back even more, than people think.

Face palm, do you understand my post properly. Did i compare M8 gohan to CG gohan. The gap between Gohan and Broly shits all over the gap between Cell and Gohan.

Yes it is clear.Goku tells Gohan to leave, Gohan has the least clothes damage, lasts the shortest besides Vegeta and wasn't known to be strongest of the Z-Fighters in the anime at the time the movie was released.

Seriously i am done here, its is clear you cant debate on this subject without underrating every darn moment. Really man really clothing, that is just as sad as your reason why piccolo is stronger then goku in movie 7 with that gif. And another fact is that SSj2 Kid gohan even appeared month and a half before movie 8. And Anime LOL i see you got a bit of undertaker in you.

[PerfectFreeza]

Yeah but in the end who was he going to kill ?

Does it matter?He was going to kill all of them.

Actually piccolo may even be stronger then Vegeta since he can actually hit bojack while vegeta didn't. Funny how you all over the movie 9 Z fighters in the good way but downplaying the Z fighters in movie 8. How sad

Look at Bojack's face, when Piccolo arrives on the battlefield.Giving no ****s.He let himself get hit.He even had his arms folded up.
Downplaying?No, that's how they were presented.

I actually said the manga is inconsistent

It's not though.

Your joking right, like your not being serious are you ?

So your response is...trolling, because you don't have anything to say?

Your not understanding, he wasn't relying on his FPSSJ power, only his rage.

He was relying on both.

if he wanted to kill gohan he would of done it already not try to make him angry, jesus what are you a mead reader now. Why would gohan gets his powers brought out ? does it look like broly is giving me the chance to do it like cell did. No he was going to kill him and end him not drag it out. Plus his not the guy who toei planned out to beat broly obviously it was goku since he had the beef with him.

He was going to, untill Gohan told him about his powers.Even before that, Gohan easily survived Cell's attacks.
Who cares, who Toei planned to kill Broly.Gohan killed Broly in the second film anyway.

Face palm, do you understand my post properly. Did i compare M8 gohan to CG gohan. The gap between Gohan and Broly shits all over the gap between Cell and Gohan.

Of course it does.No need to state the obvious.

Seriously i am done here, its is clear you cant debate on this subject without underrating every darn moment. Really man really clothing, that is just as sad as your reason why piccolo is stronger then goku in movie 7 with that gif. And another fact is that SSj2 Kid gohan even appeared month and a half before movie 8. And Anime LOL i see you got a bit of undertaker in you.

Nobody is underrating anything here.Clohes damage equals endurance, if you didn't notice.And all you could do is troll about that gif, instead of countering it, because it probably demolishes your agument, about the main hero=strongest.
Who cares, when he appeared in the manga.Third Grade Trunks appeared in the manga, when Super 13 was released, yet do we see Post-Rosat Saiyans, or Pre?Pre, along with Kamiccolo.
And I apologize to everybody else in advance, about the ruckus with Cardle.

[VegettoEX]

People who are unwilling to type properly and be polite with their fellow fans will no longer be conversing on these or any other subjects anywhere here on this forum.

There are no excuses and no exceptions.

[Mjb1985]

I believe Piccolo is stated to be the strongest in Movie 7.

[Kamiccolo9]

I believe Piccolo is stated to be the strongest in Movie 7.

I don't think it's ever directly stated like that, but he is said to be a Super Namek, and if you assume that the powers here are taken from the Android Arc, then yes, he would be the strongest.

[Mjb1985]

Well Piccolo was a Super Namek in Movie 6 and not the strongest so I don't think Super Namek means anything more than he is fused with Kami.

Goku is struggling heavily with Android 13 and Piccolo comes into the scene talking major trash. It's pretty clear Piccolo is the strongest here IMO.

[Kamiccolo9]

Well Piccolo was a Super Namek in Movie 6 and not the strongest so I don't think Super Namek means anything more than he is fused with Kami.

Goku is struggling heavily with Android 13 and Piccolo comes into the scene talking major trash. It's pretty clear Piccolo is the strongest here IMO.

I agree, I just don't think that it's ever directly stated, which is what I thought you were getting at earlier. My mistake

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I always assumed Piccolo was the strongest because of how excited everyone was when he arrived. Heck, Goku even reverted out of Super Saiyan.

Haven't seen the movie in ages.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Vegeta and Trunks speak for themselves (peak condition = weaker than Cell Jrs) Piccolo was weaker than those 2 at the Cell Games, Gohan was portrayed as the weakest, and Goku was slightly stronger than Vegeta. Voila.

SS Vegeta, SS Trunks, and Piccolo could barely keep up with Cell Jrs, while they were nothing against Broli. But then again, I have M8 Vegeta, Trunks, and Piccolo post 1st-RoSaT (pre-RoSaT for Piccolo).

Goku barely > Vegeta in the movie is shown

How?

[Beercorn]

Do you think Mr. Satan could beat Nam?

[Kamiccolo9]

Do you think Mr. Satan could beat Nam?

No. Namu put up a good fight against Goku, who had been training under Roshi, and who, even before, training, was superhuman. Namu would beat Mr. Satan with a finger.

[Beercorn]

But Mr. Satan's the most powerful man on the planet. I once saw him break 14 tiles with a single blow, I did.

[Kamiccolo9]

But Mr. Satan's the most powerful man on the planet. I once saw him break 14 tiles with a single blow, I did.

Well, it's entirely possible that he was hiding his true strength whenever we saw him

[Cardle grave]

Does it matter?He was going to kill all of them.

then you just answered your own question

Look at Bojack's face, when Piccolo arrives on the battlefield.Giving no ****s.He let himself get hit.He even had his arms folded up.Downplaying?No, that's how they were presented.[/quote/

he had the same look with vegeta, the smile

It's not though.

Yes there is, Like freeza vs nail or freeza vs Vegeta or Imperfect cell vs Piccolo

So your response is...trolling, because you don't have anything to say?

I actually dont because really there is nothing to say, I just watched the movie and the camera angles and such are all different. So there is not way i can take this "Little lines" Seriously

He was relying on both.

He was going to, untill Gohan told him about his powers.Even before that, Gohan easily survived Cell's attacks.Who cares, who Toei planned to kill Broly.Gohan killed Broly in the second film anyway.

And what does gohan surviving attacks got to do with this, Main characters are always the guys who end up beating the villain


I will continue the rest after

Face palm, do you understand my post properly. Did i compare M8 gohan to CG gohan. The gap between Gohan and Broly shits all over the gap between Cell and Gohan.

Of course it does.No need to state the obvious.

Seriously i am done here, its is clear you cant debate on this subject without underrating every darn moment. Really man really clothing, that is just as sad as your reason why piccolo is stronger then goku in movie 7 with that gif. And another fact is that SSj2 Kid gohan even appeared month and a half before movie 8. And Anime LOL i see you got a bit of undertaker in you.

Nobody is underrating anything here.Clohes damage equals endurance, if you didn't notice.And all you could do is troll about that gif, instead of countering it, because it probably demolishes your agument, about the main hero=strongest.
Who cares, when he appeared in the manga.Third Grade Trunks appeared in the manga, when Super 13 was released, yet do we see Post-Rosat Saiyans, or Pre?Pre, along with Kamiccolo.
And I apologize to everybody else in advance, about the ruckus with Cardle.

[PerfectFreeza]

Then stop saying Broly was targeting only Gohan.He went after all of them.
No, he was smiling, whereas he was looking emotionless against Piccolo.Plus, he even had his arms folded up, when Piccolo attacked.
Ummm..how is that inconsistency?Freeza was toying with Nail, who was stalling for time.Vegeta fought Freeza twice, so I don't know, which one you mean and there is nothing wrong with both that fight and Cell vs. Piccolo.
Even from the angle Goku and the others attacked there were no lines for them, but they were there, when Piccolo attacked.Plus we have Piccolo talking 13.
Umm....not exactly.See Janemba or Garlic Jr.

[RandomGuy96]

Since the heroes in Movie 8 are weaker than Cell Juniors, and probably by a decent amount (again, Vegeta is still using Grade II and Goku isn't much stronger than him), Movie 8 Broly is probably only Cell Games Goku level, and most likely a lot weaker than Cell Games SS Gohan.

[PerfectFreeza]

That's what I always theorized.Broly is a ''preview'' of Cell Games FPSSJ Goku, since the release dates with the anime episodes, where Goku shows his FPSSJ, are around the same time, that one guide says LSSJ is like Third Grade without the speed decrease(FPSSJ is kind of like that) and his feats show so as well.

[Kamiccolo9]

Since the heroes in Movie 8 are weaker than Cell Juniors, and probably by a decent amount (again, Vegeta is still using Grade II and Goku isn't much stronger than him), Movie 8 Broly is probably only Cell Games Goku level, and most likely a lot weaker than Cell Games SS Gohan.

Broly's really hard to place. All we know about his power is that it is way higher than everyone else's in the movie. You can't really use the "Goku powered by his half-dead friends is stronger than Broly" excuse to claim as a fact that Broly isn't that much stronger than Goku, seeing as every time Toei pulls that "donating power" move, it seems really inconsistent as seen with the saiyans fully restoring Goku in GT and Piccolo giving his power to Goku in M4.
So now all we have is Broly>Goku, and how much is up to interpretation. I personally have him at FP Perfect Cell level, with the others, except Gohan, in their Cell Games states. Vegeta and Trunks were using their Grade 2 forms out of desperation, and that's why Vegeta was so close to Goku.

[PerfectFreeza]

How do you explain Piccolo though?And why would Gohan be so weak?
They also don't stay SSJ, even though they are supposed to be.
If Broly only surpassed Buu saga FPSSJ Goku through that crazy zenkai in M10 as just SSJ, then it means he obviously wasn't anywhere near that level in M8.
Since FPSSJ Goku in Cell Games isn't all that weaker than Buu saga FPSSJ Goku, then Broly didn't recieve much of a power up in M10.But that's clearly wrong, since he was a lot stronger than SSJ2 Adult Gohan.
Plus, why the crazy step up from M7 to M8?Vegeta and Trunks powered up twice, since then, so why would they ignore Second Grade SSJ Vegeta and Second Grade SSJ Trunks?
Vegeta says he is going to kill Goku in M8, yet in Cell Games, he admits Goku is the superior one.