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by Dorexx » Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:01 pm
Kibitoshin wrote:gogeta jr
they all copy the poses
This is not a copy.
As far as I'm aware, Gogeta Jr has never copied one single drawing from official artwork, and even made some tutorials of how he draws. Toyble did copy a few drawings in some of the first few pages of his manga, and that's it;
Young Jiji's AF and EX are made of 99% copied drawings. That said, there's nothing to appreciate about them except a story, and both of theirs are typical, poorly-executed and uninteresting fan-fiction.
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by Raykugen » Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:38 pm
Kibitoshin wrote:...
Are you Rogeru or what? I perfectly know about the traces of Toyble and Youngjijii, so?
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by Kibitoshin » Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:28 pm
Raykugen wrote:
Are you Rogeru or what? I perfectly know about the traces of Toyble and Youngjijii, so?
Dorexx wrote:Kibitoshin wrote:
This is not a copy.
As far as I'm aware, Gogeta Jr has never copied one single drawing from official artwork, and even made some tutorials of how he draws. Toyble did copy a few drawings in some of the first few pages of his manga, and that's it;
Young Jiji's AF and EX are made of 99% copied drawings. That said, there's nothing to appreciate about them except a story, and both of theirs are typical, poorly-executed and uninteresting fan-fiction.
youngjiji also has a tutorial about how he draw, so? there are none so blind as those who will not see(vegeta and Vegito are identical)... and i can make a list of all gogetajr drawings similar to scenes from dbz movies. And some dbzero(toyble) drawings similar to dbgt, a hero's legacy movie, etc...
the point here is that they all copied poses from manga or anime, and is more evident in some than in others. IMO it's stupid to want to compare based on that...
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by Raykugen » Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:42 pm
Nobody said these guys doesn't trace, when I find a copy, I talk about it, whoever it is the artist.
DBEX has a lot of images which are traced digitally from screenshots, manga and artworks, just like the vectors I do, and when an image is not traced, it's pretty easy to compare which is traced and which not.
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by Kibitoshin » Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:37 pm
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so? thats not the point...
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by rereboy » Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:40 pm
Kibitoshin wrote:(vegeta and Vegito are identical)....
No they're not. Look at the neck. Look at the ear. Look at the nose. Etc.
Their pose is somewhat similar and that's it.
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by Kibitoshin » Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:15 pm
rereboy wrote:Kibitoshin wrote:(vegeta and Vegito are identical)....
No they're not. Look at the neck. Look at the ear. Look at the nose. Etc.
Their pose is somewhat similar and that's it.
The outline of the face is the same(PS)... but that's the point(similar poses). i agree whit you.
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by TheGmGoken » Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:31 pm
Kibitoshin wrote:rereboy wrote:Kibitoshin wrote:(vegeta and Vegito are identical)....
No they're not. Look at the neck. Look at the ear. Look at the nose. Etc.
Their pose is somewhat similar and that's it.
The outline of the face is the same(PS)... but that's the point(similar poses). i agree whit you.
Many times in DBz had they had the same pose. It's not un-common not to have a similar pose.
Somewhere in the Saiyan Arc Vegeta did the same pose as these. Vegetto looks nothing like Majin Vegeta in that pic. The poses are not even the same. They're are barely similar.
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by DarkPrince_92 » Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:43 pm
Dear God... just flip Vegetto's shot and place it next to Majin Vegeta's, that's more or less the same pose. Angle of the neck, look off into the distance, similar expression.... don't know why people are fighting it. Also, there are plenty of these little "copies" I noticed throughout Multiverse... it's not reoccurring, but it happens.
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by rereboy » Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:26 pm
DarkPrince_92 wrote:Dear God... just flip Vegetto's shot and place it next to Majin Vegeta's, that's more or less the same pose. Angle of the neck, look off into the distance, similar expression.... don't know why people are fighting it. Also, there are plenty of these little "copies" I noticed throughout Multiverse... it's not reoccurring, but it happens.
The point is that its probably not a copy. A copy would require the artist to actually take the original image and model his panel to make it similar to the original. And in many cases this is obvious (even if there's no other indication besides the sheer number of similarities).
But in this case, the artist probably just drew Vegetto (who is similar to Vegeta already) in a somewhat similar pose without even remembering that Vegeta pose/image. There's a finite number of imaginable poses you know?
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by Saiga » Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:29 pm
That is way too similar for me to believe it wasn't used at least as a reference. But I don't have a problem with even Young Jiji's copying, as long as the end result looks good.
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by rereboy » Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:31 pm
Not sure how anyone can draw a close up of Vegetto looking over to his side and smiling without it being a reference then.
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by Saiga » Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:36 pm
rereboy wrote:Not sure how anyone can draw a close up of Vegetto looking over to his side and smiling without it being a reference then.
That is grossly oversimplifying the similarities. They're craning their neck in the
exact same way, the angle it is drawn from is the same, the expression is the same, the only differences are the differences between Vegetto/Vegeta or super minor (like the ears).
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by rereboy » Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:06 pm
Saiga wrote:rereboy wrote:Not sure how anyone can draw a close up of Vegetto looking over to his side and smiling without it being a reference then.
That is grossly oversimplifying the similarities. They're craning their neck in the
exact same way, the angle it is drawn from is the same, the expression is the same, the only differences are the differences between Vegetto/Vegeta or super minor (like the ears).
Nope. Veggeto is looking slightly up while Vegeta was looking right to his side. Vegeta's is really smiling (look at his mouth and lines that his smile form on his face) while Vegetto is simply talking with a satisfied look on his face and mouth. Vegeta has a much more determined and happy look thanks to the way his brow is drawn, unlike Vegetto which has a more relaxed and satisfied look on his face and brow. Etc.
You are the one who is over-simplifying it by thinking that two close-ups of two similar looking characters craning their necks to their side while appearing to be somewhat happy/satisfied must mean that one is a reference or a copy of another.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:42 am
So, it seems that this fan manga has begun to release pages at a regular basis, though the English version is a couple of chapters behind. Though nothing important has happened story-wise, so just viewing the image from the Spanish version should be good enough.
Oh, and Super Saiyan 5 made its debut.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by goku the krump dancer » Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:54 pm
So have these Doujin artist actually admit to tracing? As in.. ya know, putting a blank piece of paper over an image and going over the details with a pencil/pen or what ever drawing tool they use? Or are people getting tracing and referencing mixed up?
The word tracing has been thrown around a lot in regards to these fanmanga and I think its a bit harsh I ( but if its the truth then it is what it is i guess).
Personally I see nothing wrong with copying certain images from the official material because I believe what the artists are trying to do is recreate those Iconic moments in a way, so it doesnt really bother me that much and I think YoungJiji's manga has slowed down in that department for the most part anyway.
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by hulkty » Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:27 pm
Damn! He got a lot of new pages up out of no where! ...Wish they were in English, but the pages are still cool to see.
I like how the first SSj5 to show up first in each series is different in all these Post GT stories.
Toyble's AF - Goku
Young Jijii's AF - Gohan (Probably Goku off-screen)
Malik's NA - Rigor (Soon to be Goku and Vegeta)
EX - Vegeta (Probably Goku off-screen)
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by KentalSSJ6 » Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:41 pm
hulkty wrote:Damn! He got a lot of new pages up out of no where! ...Wish they were in English, but the pages are still cool to see.
I like how the first SSj5 to show up first in each series is different in all these Post GT stories.
Toyble's AF - Goku
Young Jijii's AF - Gohan (Probably Goku off-screen)
Malik's NA - Rigor (Soon to be Goku and Vegeta)
EX - Vegeta (Probably Goku off-screen)
His website has a english translation.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Nov 21, 2013 2:25 am
KentalSSJ6 wrote:hulkty wrote:Damn! He got a lot of new pages up out of no where! ...Wish they were in English, but the pages are still cool to see.
I like how the first SSj5 to show up first in each series is different in all these Post GT stories.
Toyble's AF - Goku
Young Jijii's AF - Gohan (Probably Goku off-screen)
Malik's NA - Rigor (Soon to be Goku and Vegeta)
EX - Vegeta (Probably Goku off-screen)
His website has a english translation.
I think he is talking about the last 3 chapters. They are not translated yet.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by SuppaSaiyanNerd » Thu May 15, 2014 1:20 pm
And people hate on Young Jijii's AF for the "tracing". This "manga" is a prime example of cheaply traced fan-crap, and it's not even well traced, mind you. I don't know how you can screw up traced drawings. This guy doesn't just stop at official work, but even traces Toyble and Young Jijii's artwork, and also seems to steal plot points from them aswell (hand held Bruitz Wave Generator sound familiar?). Pathetic sh*t...
