I liked a lot how you argued on if XXI move was cheap, smart, badass or cheat. I liked it a lot because that's exactly what I intended. Of course, there is no good answer, it's just a matter of point of view.
I can still say that indeed, DBM's tournament was never said to be a "martial art" tournament, and any kind of magic is allowed.
A few other points: yes even angry Vegetto can walk on the head of people without hurting them. As you could recently see, his tantrum wasn't so big, he was still controlling himself a lot. Something Buu doesn't seem to be doing ^^ (yeaaay spoiler for the page being released right now, although the time I finish this post, certainly 30mn will have passed ^^ -edit, wha, one hour...)
But most of you accepted that, comparing also to Cell punching Satan : that's exactly right.
About TheGmGoken quoting my answer mail : I have no problem with that. But if you're going to quote me from a context none can check, aka your mailbox, it'd be nice to quote me entirely. You actually removed the end of my sentence and added a dot to finish it where it didn't. The difference is very small, I agree, but I sound less arrogant. So I prefer, thank you.
Here is my full answer (2013-07-05) :
But yes, I do hate DBGT and when I say it got nothing to do with canon, I'm not defending DBM, but more attacking DBGT.Le 30/06/2013 03:05, Tv Wonders a écrit :
> Do you think DBM is more canon than DBGT?
It's not a matter of think
Only the manga is canon, only thing written in the 42 volumes of the manga are canon. Any other production isn't.
DBGT isn't canon. DBM isn't canon.
As for trying to follow the canon and stay in it, I'd say DBM is doing a better job than DBGT, but my view is of course biased a lot...
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Dragon Ball Multiverse Author
In DBGT, Trunks is crushed by a brick wall and needs to go SSJ to destroy it. In DBGT, Goku surfs on a kianzan. In DBGT, untransformed Goku takes in the face shots from Omega Shenron and isn't moving (then is beaten by old kulilin as shown in a very fun video trying to determine who is the strongest character of all gt). In DBGT, Goku needs a kameha to take off a DB from a giant teeth. In DBGT, the first bodyguard Goku crosses, he thinks he may be stronger than Buu. In DBGT, you grind coffee to make your tail grow back. In DBGT, Gohan goes SSJ. In DBGT, Vegeta got a mustache. Should I go on ?
Most of fan fictions I read are better at coherency and following the manga, or even the anime, than DBGT.
About changing Freeza's power to 56K : this is something I did in a french webpage about 10 years ago. It's mostly based on a translation error. On it, I've written in bold red that this is untrue, although I personally prefer. of course I DON'T follow that on DBM. (the page (french only) : http://www.dragon-ball-z.eu/these/comptage.html#s )
As someone said, a bunch of Oozarus can explode the 530K limit or even the 1M limit together (we don't know if freeza finished his transformation and what is his current powerlevel). Remember that almost ALL the saiyans were on the planet at the time, it was a BIG number of oozarus. Also, the "base" saiyan isn't 1K in my opinion. If it was, Raditz wouldn't be considered weak. I believe them to be more near 4K or 5K.
I know some artbook said Nappa is like 5000. That make no damn sense. If that was the case, he'd shit in his pants when scanning Goku at 8000 (or nine thousaaaaaan!). He didn't. He didn't understand why Goku was holding against him. Proof he is much bigger that 5000.
Yeah, putting goku's parents as elite is destroying the good story of the small child that grew against his origin to be the strongest. I agree this choice of mine was a loss for that. I totally agree. Although this effort part is just said one damn time in the manga (goku taking to vegeta at the beginning of their fight) and never used before or after, making that one of the less important points in the whole content of dragon ball, after boobs and Satan having stomach ache
Because honestly, Goku just LOVES to do efforts, as do all other characters, he trains for fun, and surpass everyone for no real reason. Oh yeah. He... trained. Like all others but... he's just damn better. Like that.
In DB, he is naturally better than everyone, getting the Kameha in a second, etc. In DBZ : 6 days to Namek and he goes from 20K to Freeza's level. 1 day in ROSAT and he goes from less than cyborg to almost Perfect Cell. 7 years in heaven, while Vegeta almost makes it SSJ2 (or just does, opened to debate), he goes SSJ3... Did he make more effort than Vegeta? Obviously not. Goku is naturally good, and was born good.
As weak King Vegeta, it totally make sense to me. King Vegeta was a ruler because of his intelligence, his charisma, the way he leads people. He was the first Saiyan ever to do such things. He is special in that way. I prefer King Vegeta as a (still strong) cunning leader than just the all so usual "me strong".
Of course, we have no canon hint on the King's power and you can disagree. I'm just doing a fanfic after all.
I posted that in the special :
Other details :
Never said anywhere in any manga. (no need to talk to me about dictionnaries / artbook, I don't care)Gast was fusing with different clans of Namekians which isn't possible in the manga.
Clans in mangas are very badly explained by the way.
99% of DBZ and even DB, power is the only important thing in a fight. ONLY. It can even surpass magic, as Vegetto as a candy is still stronger.power and skills
Personally, I try to change that in DBM.
I must admit that lowering Dabra's power thru such a move is very cheap from us, the authors. There certainly were much better solutions, but we didn't find them, we didn't agree on them (this chapter being originally written by Foenidis).Gohan / babidi's special: babidi being stupid, and other things you didn't like
It's been hard to co-write this chapter, but I still like it. And I will defend Merkit against anyone. I won't defend a few other things ;p
Some details were changed or reduced to take less pages : that was stupid on my part. This chapter is "old" and in my more recent work, I try to give more space to let the story breathe and not condensate so much.
The FAQ as quoted here is deprecated. Davidstarlingm re-translated it very recently, thanks to him. Here is the updated version :
Dragon Ball -not-Z movies didn't happen.
DBZ Movies 1, 2, 3, 4, and 7 didn't happen.
Movie 6 (Coola) happened in many DBM universes, but differently (there will be a special chapter).
Movie 8 (Broly) happened, but with slight differences (read here).
Movie 9 (Bojack) happened, and turned out badly in universe 6.
Movie 10 (Broly's Return) happened, but the story is completely different.
Movies 11 and 12 didn't happen.
Movie 13 (Tapion) happened, with slight differences, in Universe 18 and in Universe 16. It also happened very differently in Universe 3.
The Dr. Raichi OAV may have happened in another universe not shown in the tournament. We'll tell you more later.
The Baddack TV Special happened, in most of the universes, except Baddack can't see the future. In universe 3, it happened differently.
The Trunks TV Special didn't happen in universes 16 and 18, but happened in universes 12 and 14.
The Tarble Movie didn't happen.
The new Badadck TV Special where he goes to the past didn't happen.
The new Movie (Battle of Gods)? We didn't see it so we don't know yet.
DBGT and the DBGT TV Special didn't happen.
I like "DBM Broly"I think we should come up with a new name to differentiate the two Brolys...
You really want everyone to be one-shot killed ^^she's bleeding in the last panel. no way she survived that.
Ok, first DBZ rule guys : no exploded body, not dead.
[edit] (reading pages backward now)
Wha! Thanks a lot, Tzigi, for this huge gathering of quotse from me on canon ! It will be very useful for me when in need of explaining!
I've read it all and can confirm here that I still agree with what I said.
All Baddack's visions in while in the tournament WILL HAPPEN.only some of Bardock's visions are real?
Will be shown. Later.(continue going back in the past) Missed fights...