First reactions after watching new Funi dub (episode 54)

SylentEcho · Post by **SylentEcho** » Fri May 19, 2006 6:44 pm

After the brilliant ocean dub (except their minor errors) finished their work on DBZ, what were your reactions when DBZ came back to the tele with episode 54 - Ginyu Assault, with the new texas cast?

(did you like the new voices and music?

or didn't notice that the voices had changed at all?

, or were you so happy that you didn't care?) any others?

Snail · Post by **Snail** » Fri May 19, 2006 7:11 pm

Wow, two threads that relate to Ginyu force, you must really like em'.

I remember it was a cold December when I watched DragonBall Z episode 54. I expected the episode to be a re-run, but, by god it was continuing! I remember how extremeley excited and happy I was when this occured.

I thought that the voices Kuririn, Gohan, and Vegeta were very different from the Ocean dub, and it took me a while to get used to it. I loved Sean Schemmel's interpretation of Goku's voice right away.

The music gave me a dark, and gloomy feeling. The music also had a certain 'sinister-ness' to it haha ( e.g. whenever Frieza appears ) Music always makes the difference I believe. The Ocean dub's music didn't give too much of a sense of depression and darkness during the Namek/Frieza arc, but FUNimation nailed it, in my opinion, especially when Goky transformed later on in the series. The japanese background music is best though, it all fit together real well, and it made everything much more dramatic.

Anyhow, I'm somewhat getting a little bit off course. When DBZ came back on air, let's just say that my heart skipped a beat, and I was as giddy as a schoolgirl.

Steven Perry · Post by **Steven Perry** » Fri May 19, 2006 7:29 pm

Wow! From what I've heard, this episode's lookin' good! "sinister-ness"?

I've always believed that Ocean were superior; that they had the best music, and were the unrivalled group. But now... Someone's finally on FUNimation's side!

Yes, I've also realized that FUNimation use cool music and make the whole show more dramatic (the Ultimate Uncut Editions). So, have the Ocean group finally been taken down?

SylentEcho wrote:After the brilliant ocean dub (except their minor errors) finished they're work on DBZ, what were you're reactions when DBZ came back to the tele with episode 54 - Ginyu Assault with the new Texas cast?

(did you like the new voices and music? or you didn't notice that the voices had changed at all? or were you so happy that you didn't care?) any others?

I haven't seen their episode yet, but I'm assuming that you like it?

Post by **VegettoEX** » Fri May 19, 2006 7:41 pm

SylentEcho wrote:After FUNimation finished their brilliant dub of DBZ with the Ocean group (except their minor errors), what were your reactions when DBZ came back to the tele with episode 54 (Ginyu Assault) with the new Texas cast?

(Did you like the new voices and music? Or did you not notice that the voices had changed at all? Were you so happy that you didn't care?)

For the love of God, see the above, and please re-read the forum rules.

I hated the dub new (voices, music, script), and I still greatly dislike it. Luckily, I can just not watch it, and it doesn't affect me in the least. (It was slightly different back then, when all we had were the dub VHS.)

Season three was the lowest of the low points for the entire series, and it's going to be even more painfully obvious for dub fans re-watching the show when they get from the so-called "Ultimate Uncut Editions" back up to the third season.

Snail · Post by **Snail** » Fri May 19, 2006 7:52 pm

I've always been on FUNimation's side =P. Although I shouldn't further compliment them. VegettoEX will loathe me for life =(. Haha.

I actually meant that, the Japanese version of all the episodes are much better, and more dramatic, however that's not to say that I don't think that FUNimation has ever succeeded in that area.

I haven't seen the 'Ultimate Uncut' editions, but from what I've heard, the background music is pretty darn different from about 80 percent of the entire background music of the FUNimation dubbed DBZ series.

The Ocean group only did 53 episodes, and then they stopped suddenly. The voice cast from the Ocean group returns during the Trunks saga, around there.. and they finished the series from there. It's all cut, and edited though, and you won't be able to find dvds or tapes for those episodes that's dubbed by the voice cast from Ocean group, unless you find somebody who taped them. I taped most of them =P, but I prefer FUNi's version over their's. You can find the Ocean Group's dub of the first two seasons on dvd box sets, complete with beautiful cover art, but the episodes are not uncut.

majinrod153 · Post by **majinrod153** » Fri May 19, 2006 9:07 pm

Well, I saw the Ultimate Uncut episodes of the Frieza sage on Cartoon Network. I really like the Ginyu Force's new theme. It sounded fast and zany. It really fit the Ginyu Force.

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Fri May 19, 2006 9:20 pm

I hated it so much. I loved Vegeta's voice in the previous dub and now he was a totally different person. The show itself felt very different, almost like it wasn't Dragonball at all. It was a little wired at first but around the time of the Android saga, I was getting used to it and eventually came to terms with it.

The odd thing about this whole thing is that if you first saw (English) Dragonball Z with the Ocean cast, then it is really hard to now watch those same episodes with the new FUNimation cast. You remeber how certain lines were said in the Ocean dub (or even how certain people sounded)and now watching the FUNimation dub it comes back to you, and your almost comparing the two in your head.

Steven Perry · Post by **Steven Perry** » Fri May 19, 2006 9:29 pm

Tanooki Kuribo wrote:The odd thing about this whole thing is that if you first saw (English) Dragonball Z with the Ocean cast, then it is really hard to now watch those same episodes with the new FUNimation cast. You remember how certain lines were said in the Ocean dub (or even how certain people sounded)and now watching the FUNimation dub it comes back to you, and your almost comparing the two in your head.

Yeah, I kinda agree. Like when Raditz (Ocean dub) says, "What's wrong, green man? Is it because you're helpless to aid your friend, or because you're just plain ugly?" with a sinister, evil tone, compared to FUNimation putting no emphasis on it whatsoever. That's my favorite, quote, y'know...

Overall, though, FUNimation's initial episodes were better.

Grandmaster J · Post by **Grandmaster J** » Sat May 20, 2006 2:11 am

Tanooki Kuribo wrote:I loved Vegeta's voice in the previous dub

Yeah, me too. It just fit the younger Vegeta much better.

The odd thing about this whole thing is that if you first saw (English) Dragonball Z with the Ocean cast, then it is really hard to now watch those same episodes with the new FUNimation cast.

That's how it is for me. The voices don't match up at all to me. Everyone in the Saiyan saga is young, but in the new FUNi dubbing they sound older, mainly because I got too used to the FUNi voices from the later sagas, from Freeza to Buu. I guess what I'm trying to say is....I simply cannot watch these "Ultimate Uncut Editions". I'd rather bust out the old Pioneer dubs.

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Sat May 20, 2006 2:28 am

I laughed and cried. Mostly cried.

My first exposure was actually the Ginyu Double Cross tape with dub episodes 57-60. Not only were the dialogue, voices, and music bad in ep 57, the animation was done by the "terrible" artist which made it so much more painful to watch.

It was also the episode with the Freeza's hands "reversed".

theoriginalbilis · Post by **theoriginalbilis** » Sat May 20, 2006 3:51 am

Oh God, Those days again. So many memories.

Like most of you, I also got into DBZ from the Ocean dubs on Toonami. I got so used to those voices/characterizations (even if they weren't so well-acted) and I still hold a huge fondness in my heart for those first 2 seasons. In fact, all of this talk over the Ocean dub has persuaded me to go track down the Pioneer DVDs on Ebay/Amazon, becuase now I want to watch them again.

But honestly, when I saw those commercials for new DBZ episodes, I didn't care too much if the voices were different. Yes, I was offput at first when I heard the new Funimation voices, but I still got into the "action/fights" more than anything. I didn't like Sabat's Vegeta at first, it sounded the most forced of all the voices.

But by the "Trunks/Androids" sagas, I got used to it and by then I liked everyone's voices and now I love how Sabat made the Vegeta voice his own instead of imitating Drummond. I still hate what Funimation did to the music though, there was really no excuse for them replacing it.

But, whatever, I've mainly been watching the Japanese version (DVD) for the last year or so. I have already seen the TV series Funi dub on TV and have no interest in watching it again.

Speaking of the "Ultimate Uncut" redub, which I have been listening to. I have to say, it sounds radically different from Funi's previous handling of the dub. If someone watches the FUNi of eps. 1 - 67, and then continues to watch the rest of the Funi dubbed eps. (Captain Ginyu saga onwards), it's going to sound weird, since Sabat's Vegeta and Piccolo voices were much harsher/raspier than the newer dubs, as well as everyone's elses voices which were less refined back then.

That's all I have to say about Funi's dub. I would REALLY, SOMEHOW, SOMEWAY, like to hear the Ocean dub of DBZ of the Freeza saga onwards that hasn't aired in the US (I think it's only in Canada &/or the UK.)

If anyone has tapes or DVDs of the newer Ocean dubs, I wouldn't mind a copy.

El_Diablo · Post by **El_Diablo** » Sat May 20, 2006 8:22 am

"Season 3" was the part of the dub where I thought: "What the hell happened?"

Voices were all wrong, generally the low point of the series, where I didn't like it as much, before the Ocean Group returned in the Trunks arc.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Sat May 20, 2006 4:05 pm

Essentially, whenever a voice of a character you're used to is changed (unless it's an American cartoon for most people) there is backlash over it. There was a bit of it over the new Pokemon actors recently. As for DBZ, I was mad but then I noticed how the edited version was less censored and was surprised upon hearing the words "Kill" and "die".

gotenx · Post by **gotenx** » Sat May 20, 2006 4:16 pm

Sadly I started watching in the middle of season 3, so that was the first dub that I had ever heard. I liked it, so I watched it. Then I bought a few ocean dub VHS's. I HATED it. The voices, the music, and the scripts, they were all horrible. Then I wathced it all the way through with the Funi dub, and I noticed that it did get better as it progressed. I actually grew attached to it. Then I heard the Japanese version, and haven't liked the dub ever since. But then, the Ultimate Uncut came on, and I liked the dub again. Now I like both, but I prefer the Japanese version.

SylentEcho · Post by **SylentEcho** » Sat May 20, 2006 4:48 pm

For the love of God, see the above, and please re-read the forum rules.

Thanks for having so much patience with me Vegettox, sorry for the trouble.

compared to FUNimation putting no emphasis on it whatsoever

Yeah, I totally agree with you, Ultimate Uncut is very disappointing, the music isn’t good and the dialogs aren’t voiced well at all.

The voices don't match up at all to me. Everyone in the Saiyan saga is young, but in the new FUNi dubbing they sound older, mainly because I got too used to the FUNi voices from the later sagas, from Freeza to Buu. I guess what I'm trying to say is....I simply cannot watch these "Ultimate Uncut Editions". I'd rather bust out the old Pioneer dubs

Good to see that there are so many Ocean Group fans

, whenever I watch the FUNi dub it doesnt feel like I'm watching DBZ at all. The only good thing about the new FUNi dub is that the music by Bruce Faulconer is awesome. When they changed Vegeta's voice it was such a let down, he didn’t seem like the same cocky and intelligent Vegeta of the ocean dub.

TheMajinRedComet · Post by **TheMajinRedComet** » Sat May 20, 2006 5:20 pm

What is that red stuff on thier faces.... people bleed??? lol

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Sun May 21, 2006 3:25 am

That was awhile ago (for me anyways) but I still remember my initial reaction; I didn't like it.

I had fallen in love with Ocean cast's voice actors (all except Freeza), and I was just so used to listening to the original Vegeta, Kuririn, Gohan, Roshi, that the transition to Funimation's in house voice actors was difficult.

Especially Ginyu who I thought sounded what an insanely powerful alien general guy should, to Brice Armstrong's interpretation, which at the time made me think that Ginyu was some brain-dead thug (not too far from the truth.) But since then I've come to think all of the voice actors have come to do an even better job than the original.

A few episodes into the Freeza fight I had stopped caring and then noticing that everyone had changed. It was just DBZ again, and me waiting with baited breath at my local video store to get my hands on the latest VHS release, and having to fight off other fans to get it first.

To sum up real quickly; the changes felt pretty dramatic at first, then I got over it, then I enjoyed the rest of the series.

Snail · Post by **Snail** » Sun May 21, 2006 4:32 am

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention how insanely happy I was to see...BLOOD! ...BLOOD on characters! I thought it would never happen.

SylentEcho · Post by **SylentEcho** » Mon May 22, 2006 7:33 am

I didn’t like Guru's, Dende's, Nail's, Recoome's and Piccolo's voice (Sabat) at all. The old voices made it sound so natural and these sounded so forced, especially Nail and Dende. Guru sounded like he was constipated.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Mon May 22, 2006 6:02 pm

I love Ian Corlett as Goku, and as Kami'sen-nin.

I love Scott McNeil as Piccolo.

I love Brian Drummond as Vegeta.

The rest of the Ocean actors are "so-so" to me. I'm rather impartial.

But FUNImations texas cast, in general, is mediocre. Season 3 was the lowpoint of all voice acting for...probably any Anime dubbed after the year 1995. Absolutely disgusting.

But, the actors definately improved, performance-wise, over the years. Chris, Sean, Sonny, and Stephanie went from completely sucking to being quite good. However, when it comes to being appropriate for the role, I don't like them very much.

I think Sean Schemmel's Goku is completely wrong. Just wrong. I think Ian landed pretty dang well for a good english interpretation of Goku, but Sean is just...so far off in so many aspects...

Chris Sabat, I have to give him props for improvement. When he stopped trying to impersonate Brian Drummond and went with his own style, things got a lot better. But, again, his voice for Vegeta for the Buu-saga onward is totally inappropriate and does nothing to match the original actor.

His Piccolo is decent, but Scott McNeil puts it to shame.

To summarize, the main downfall with FUNImation's cast is that they don't try to sound like the original actors most of the time, and end up re-inventing the characters intirely. Toss in the horrible scripting and sub-par music and you get something I refuse to watch nearly all of the time. The only Dub episodes/movies I can watch are ones that I watched many, many times before I discovered the Japanese version.

The uncut Pioneer Releases of Movies 1-3 are dubbing at it's best, IMO. Despite the presence of Peter Kelamis and lack of Ian Corlett, this movies are amazing. I was lucky enough to get a DVD of the Deadzone release 2 weeks ago. Joy that words cannot express.

...I didn't organize my thoughts that well. Sorry to those of you who had to read it.

Kanzenshuu

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