My idea as to how Future Trunks turned out

[Dr. Machismo]

And Pan still is used in Greek mythology, as is Puck. Using Puck as a male counterpart to Pan's name is still pretty clever IMO. You can see the reasoning in it. One of Puck's purposes is to be a male version of Pan, and Puck sounds more masculine than Pan. The link these two names both have is that they're from Greek mythology.

[TheGmGoken]

*Sigh* You're really arrogant aren't you. Only your opinions matter and you can't take negative feedback. Everyone states the beard wouldn't work yet you tell them it can and just ignore their reason. Therefore I'm not going to give you my opinions to make it better. Don't even reply to this. You're too much of a high horse for me. I've seen your other ideas as well. But that's off topic. Not to mention you don't know puns in DBZ. PAN IS A FOOD PUN. You know just like how GOhan is rice you moron. Since Trunks is based off of clothing and Videl is devil. You can either mix the puns or chose one or the other. You can same Jores for a male counterpart or even Shirto(Shirts). Or you want to use Videl's pun then say something like Deimun. Know your dbz please.

Pan's name may come from "pan", which means bread in Japanese and other languages, continuing the food-based names of Gohan's family. There is also a type of instrument called the pan flute, which may imply that she was named to honor Piccolo.

I'm not ignoring their reasoning. They're providing their feedback, and I'm responding to it and defending my idea. If I don't agree with them, I don't agree. There's nothing wrong with that. This isn't even an argument.

Again, Gohan's the only person named after food in the Son family. And Trunks isn't part of that family, so I don't see why he'd follow whatever name trends they have.

READ HIS QUOTE.

Since Trunks is based off of clothing and Videl is devil. You can either mix the puns or chose one or the other. You can same Jores for a male counterpart or even Shirto(Shirts). Or you want to use Videl's pun then say something like Deimun. Know your dbz please.

[Dr. Machismo]

Not everyone from DBZ has pun names.

[TheGmGoken]

Not everyone from DBZ has pun names.

Trunks does. Most likely the kids of the people with puns have puns. Wait I forgot it's DrM. You're always right. Let me stop myself before I get another Cluster headache.

[Dr. Machismo]

Not everyone from DBZ has pun names.

Trunks does. Most likely the kids of the people with puns have puns. Wait I forgot it's DrM. You're always right. Let me stop myself before I get another Cluster headache.

The last comment was unneeded. Just because we don't agree doesn't mean I don't give a **** about your feedback. Learn to handle disagreements.

Anyway, the logic in having a pun name makes sense ... but the reasoning in the Puck name still stands, too.

[RockJohnAxe]

You, and others on this forum, don't know how to handle disagreements.

I'm sorry dude, but I have to disagree. You have a fairly arrogant way of communicating and a very dismissive approach to comments and feedback. You are heavily opinionated and seem to take it very personally when someone disagrees with you.

Not agreeing with someones comments/feedback is fine, but it is how you respond to it. You need to open your mind that everyone has different opinions, preceptions and ideas and you need to be more open to what others are thinking and not so defensive.

You even mentioned in a previous post about having to defend yourself. If this is a debate which you seem to think (or an arguement, which is a close minded term) then you say your points, he says his and you would make some counter points to his points. This is how a debate works.

Debates aren't neccessarily about agreeing or disagree and the majority of the time you aren't magically going to change a persons opinion. Sometimes saying nothing is a good option if you have no new points to bring forwards. Agree to disagree.


On Topic: I don't really like the idea over-all. If Trunks were to meet a girl it would be a new character not an existing one. I would also like to see more saiyan characters with facial hair, because it could be cool if drawn well.

[Dr. Machismo]

I just reviewed my previous comments in this thread, and no, you're wrong. Sorry.

This whole time I've only been peacefully talking about my idea. Whenever these guys disagreed with me, I responded in a peaceful manner and countered what they said and made re-clarifications. I made no side comments or anything to provoke anyone. I didn't "dismiss" their complaints as I took the time to respond and explain why I disagreed with them. The only time I appeared as "defensive" and taking things personally was when dbzfan7 attempted to derail the thread and the person with the Gohan avatar criticized my posts.

None of us reached an agreement, so we were pretty much going back and forth, but we weren't going back forth saying the same things to each other. We added to our disagreements every time.

I have a feeling someone is going to post something in the lines of "OK, whatever makes you happy. I'm done". But all I'm doing is disagreeing with you guys' criticisms and explaining why. In all honesty, you're the ones who don't seem to understand how to handle disagreements. You think that just because an agreement isn't being reached, someone is being "arrogant", "dismissive" or is overreacting. There's nothing arrogant or dismissive about someone always seeming to disagree with someone and explaining why. Because that's all I really did here. Disagree with others and explain why. There's always no reason to think that person is overreacting, either. If you think that we're not ever going to come to an agreement and that we should agree to disagree, then say so. See how calm I am responding to you? I had this calmness throughout the entire thread, except dbzfan7 tried to derail it and the Gohan avatar guy criticized me.

[RockJohnAxe]

Firstly, the things I stated above are my personal observations about you from a multitude of threads, not just this one. So trying to defend yourself for this thread alone is moot.

Secondly,

There's nothing arrogant or dismissive about someone always seeming to disagree with someone and explaining why.

You are the one here putting forth an idea. People come in and don't agree with it for what ever reason. You can't dismiss or argue another persons opinions as wrong, because well... they are opinions.

Their opinion is their opinion and while you may not agree with it, too bad. We are talking about a hypo-thetical situation here, something that doesn't exist, and we all have different opinions on what is canon and what is not. So they have every right to disagree and there hits a point that you just need to accept their view point even though it differs from yours and let it go.

I appreciate how you try to explain your view point, but you tend to become a broken record while still maintaining your stubborness that the other person is wrong.

If you think that we're not ever going to come to an agreement and that we should agree to disagree, then say so.

You can't expect members to stop debating on a subject they don't agree on unless a moderator/administrator steps in. Now, if a moderator steps in, I'll stop.

Why does someone always need to step in to tell you when you are going to far. This attitude is derailing more threads than dbzfan7 ever did.

[Dr. Machismo]

Firstly, the things I stated above are my personal observations about you from a multitude of threads, not just this one. So trying to defend yourself for this thread alone is moot.

You may have a point then, as I don't remember my posts in other threads that well. But why bring those up?

You are the one here putting forth an idea. People come in and don't agree with it for what ever reason. You can't dismiss or argue another persons opinions as wrong, because well... they are opinions.

Their opinion is their opinion and while you may not agree with it, too bad. We are talking about a hypo-thetical situation here, something that doesn't exist, and we all have different opinions on what is canon and what is not. So they have every right to disagree and there hits a point that you just need to accept their view point even though it differs from yours and let it go.

I appreciate how you try to explain your view point, but you tend to become a broken record while still maintaining your stubborness that the other person is wrong.

Yes, I'm the one putting forth an idea. People won't always agree with it. Opinions CAN be debated/argued, though. Yes, it's their opinion and I may not agree with them ... but it can still be debated. Yes, they have every right to disagree and I do accept their viewpoints ... but I can still debate their viewpoints. You need to understand that opinions can still be debated.

You're not becoming a broken record when you're adding to your disagreements as you're not saying the same thing over and over again.

"If you think that we're not ever going to come to an agreement and that we should agree to disagree, then say so"

"You can't expect members to stop debating on a subject they don't agree on unless a moderator/administrator steps in. Now, if a moderator steps in, I'll stop."

Why does someone always need to step in to tell you when you are going to far. This attitude is derailing more threads than dbzfan7 ever did.

The first quote of mine here is true. If you think that an agreement won't be reached and that we should agree to disagree, then you should say so. It doesn't sound you'd want to continue, so instead of posting something to aggravate the other users, say that we'll just agree to disagree. The second quote PERFECTLY describes the mindsets many have when having debates a non-moderator wants to end. Since a non-moderator was the only person to ask for the debate to end, most of the people debating weren't going to stop unless they felt like it. That's why people kept going at it even after the non-moderator asked them to stop. Now, had it been a mod/admin that told them to stop, everyone would have stopped. I'm not only one with the mindset described in your last quote.

[RockJohnAxe]

I was quoting you from the other thread to further example your attitude and how you push things too far, causing people frustration.

I think the biggest issue is your approach and how you go about explaining your points and your broken record approach to defending yourself. You brought up canon stuff for like 6-7 replies in a row when you are talking about an idea that isn't remotely canon. So who cares about canon.

Some others brought up some pretty decent points and some flaws in your idea but you actually trailed off your own topic.

I think you need to understand what a debate/discussion is because for some reason it is always an arguement. Arguements are not debates or discussions and only harbor frustration.

Think about your tone and wording and accept peoples opinions. Not everything can be debated.

[Dr. Machismo]

I was quoting you from the other thread to further example your attitude and how you push things too far, causing people frustration

I already see what you were trying to do by quoting me from other threads. And I'm not the only person with that kind of attitude; just look at the DragonBallKai's first message in the SS5 design thread.

I think the biggest issue is your approach and how you go about explaining your points and your broken record approach to defending yourself. You brought up canon stuff for like 6-7 replies in a row when you are talking about an idea that isn't remotely canon. So who cares about canon.

TheGmGoken brought up the laboratory blowing up in the anime and acted as if it was canon. I said it wasn't canon, and we BOTH started debating on what was canon. In all honesty, I don't see why stuff that happens in the manga and what Toriyama says SHOULDN'T be canon. If it happened in the manga, it should be canon as it's part of Toriyama's story. If Toriyama says something is canon, then it should be canon as Toriyama said so. And canon DOES matter when you're trying to make an idea not go against the established canon, which was what I was doing.

Some others brought up some pretty decent points and some flaws in your idea but you actually trailed off your own topic.

They brought up what they felt was wrong about it, and I disagreed with them, explaining why. I strongly disagree that I trailed off the thread. The entire time I talked about my idea, not including when talking about dbzfan7's comments or the Gohan guy's personal criticism of me.

I think you need to understand what a debate/discussion is because for some reason it is always an arguement. Arguements are not debates or discussions and only harbor frustration.

Think about your tone and wording and accept peoples opinions. Not everything can be debated.

I never said arguments are debates or discussions. I'm not even the one who was arguing, UNLESS it was over dbzfan7's comments or the Gohan guy's criticism of me. And again, I do accept other people's opinions ... but once again, opinion can be debated. My tone and wording was fine, IMO, as I replied in a peaceful and calm manner most of the time. The others let their frustration get the best of them when there was no need.

I have a feeling that you're going to reply with "OK, dude, I tried". That is no way to properly respond. I am just disagreeing with you and explaining why. We aren't at an agreement. Does this mean I'm int he wrong? no.

[RockJohnAxe]

The assumptions are strong with this one.

Who the fuck cares about canon or not. It is a dumb debate and no one is ever right except Akira Toriyama.

Here my opinion on cannon:
If it is branded as Dragon Ball Z: whether its the episode Goku and Piccolo get drivers licenses or movie 607: Where Goku has Super Saiyan Diarreah, I consider it all canon.

Is this opinion right to you? Probably not.
Is there anything you could ever say to change my opinion? Absolutely not.
Is this worth trying to debate? Not at all.

You need to view things differently. Some things are just not worth debating.

I never said arguments are debates or discussions. I'm not even the one who was arguing

I never said you did. I never put words in your mouth. You refered to it as arguements several times in multiple threads. Stop being so defensive when someone disagrees.

I have a feeling that you're going to reply with "OK, dude, I tried".

Assumptions.

The others let their frustration get the best of them when there was no need.

Some of the people here know you better than I do and I think you have rubbed them the wrong way multiple times, so they will obviously have a shorter fuse and less patience with you. Approaching your responses differently to these people would help very much in bridging the gap and maybe a real discussion can set forth.

[Dr. Machismo]

The assumptions are strong with this one.

Who the fuck cares about canon or not. It is a dumb debate and no one is ever right except Akira Toriyama.

Maybe canon was the wrong word for me to use. Goken acted as if the laboratory exploding actually happened, but it's not stated to be part of the original story, so I don't have to use it.

Is this opinion right to you? Probably not.
Is there anything you could ever say to change my opinion? Absolutely not.
Is this worth trying to debate? Not at all.

Is it worth trying to debate? IMHO, yes!

You need to view things differently. Some things are just not worth debating.

IYO.

I never said you did. I never put words in your mouth. You refered to it as arguements several times in multiple threads.

I don't see why you had to say "Arguments are not debates or discussions", then. This discussion did get turned into an argument when dbzfan7 made his comments, which may be why I called it an argument.

Some of the people here know you better than I do and I think you have rubbed them the wrong way multiple times, so they will obviously have a shorter fuse and less patience with you. Approaching your responses differently to these people would help very much in bridging the gap and maybe a real discussion can set forth.

Well, I will try to convey my beliefs better next time!

[RockJohnAxe]

This discussion did get turned into an argument when dbzfan7 made his comments.

See you just admitted it again.

And that's why you shouldn't waste your time gentlemen. Consider yourselves warned.

I understand why the comment upset you, but you must realize what he says holds some truth. Trying to debate with you feels like banging your head on a brick wall sometimes. You are blind to your own ideas short comings and refuse to accept others points of view.


Here is my honest opinion about your opening post/idea:

Your introduction post leaves a lot to be desired. Is this "idea" something you are making? Or are you just firing out "what if" ideas? There is no context to this "idea"

I don't like marrying Videl. If he meets a girl I would think it would be an all new character. Maybe he even saves her from some rocks falling from a wrecked building or something.

I like Trunks a lot as a character but he just doesn't strike me as the beard type. His hair only got really long because he did ROSAT training and a year passed so quickly. I also greatly dislike the name Puck. It makes me thing of that Puckerman character from Glee and does not really sound like a Saiyan (half-Saiyan) name. I would prefer if we kept with the naming Puns Akira started with Trunks and Blooma and Briefs.

There is a lack of content here. If this was an arc it would be a really boring one.

[DynasticHunter]

To be honest your ideas feel like something out of a weird fanfic. But I also have these weird fanon ideas that everyone would probably hate.

[Dr. Machismo]

See you just admitted it again.

You're right. Hmm, I should have added "though".

I understand why the comment upset you, but you must realize what he says holds some truth. Trying to debate with you feels like banging your head on a brick wall sometimes. You are blind to your own ideas short comings and refuse to accept others points of view.

I could see the same thing about everyone else debating. If I'm blind to my own ideas, then so are they. We were all doing the same thing: having disagreements and explaining them. And his post was still uncontributive and meaningless. He brought up a random quote of me to say "Guys, don't bother with this dude", which contributes nothing to the conversation other than troll.

Your introduction post leaves a lot to be desired. Is this "idea" something you are making? Or are you just firing out "what if" ideas? There is no context to this "idea"

It's an idea. Not sure waht you mean by "context".

I don't like marrying Videl. If he meets a girl I would think it would be an all new character. Maybe he even saves her from some rocks falling from a wrecked building or something.

I like Trunks a lot as a character but he just doesn't strike me as the beard type. His hair only got really long because he did ROSAT training and a year passed so quickly. I also greatly dislike the name Puck. It makes me thing of that Puckerman character from Glee and does not really sound like a Saiyan (half-Saiyan) name. I would prefer if we kept with the naming Puns Akira started with Trunks and Blooma and Briefs.

There is a lack of content here. If this was an arc it would be a really boring one.

The reason why I want Future Trunks to marry Videl and have a male counterpart to Pan named Puck is because I think it would be a great idea for Future Trunks to have a lifestyle similar to main timeline's Gohan. In fact, they alraedy are similar, as they're saviors of their respective timelines. Gohan killed Cell, saving his timeline. Future Trunks killed Future Cell, saving his timeline. I think making them have similar lifestyles would be a great idea.

Trunks has had long hair before, and a lot of guys with long hair have beards, so I think a beard would be great on Trunks. You're right on why Trunks grew his hair out, but he could also grow out his hair and facial hair just because he feels like it, like how most guys do. I also think him devoting so much time to rebuilding the future would be a factor in him growing out his hair. Sure, he's not the only person doing the job, but we should note that the Androids brought the human population to thousands and devastated the entire planet. Earth would as much help as possible to rebuild, so Trunks would be working day and night to rebuild it.
Trunks seems like an appropriate character to use for craftmanship and engineering, seeing as he is the son of Bulma.

The reason why I use the name Puck is because, like Pan, it's a name used Greek mythology and sounds like an appropriate name for a male counterpart to Pan. It breaks the pun tradition of Toriyama names, but I don't think Goku, Bulma, Oolong or Yamcha's names were puns.

I also don't think this should really be part of a main story arc. It would make for a good filler plot at best though.

[Dr. Machismo]

To be honest your ideas feel like something out of a weird fanfic. But I also have these weird fanon ideas that everyone would probably hate.

I could see why you would feel that way with this specific idea. Ah, but if you really wish to see the best of my ideas, then stay tuned for when I post my progress on my followup to the Dragonball manga! It's definitely like something not too far from what you'd expect from Toriyama! In fact, I'd say it's even BETTER! And please don't call me cocky for saying this; I've been working on this followup for YEARS. Probably more than a decade, in fact. I've been revising it more and more so that it's not like the typical DBZ fanfiction (for an example, it used to be full of new Saiyan characters, new Super Saiyan levels, ripoff villains ... but I revised it to the point where it doesn't have any of that)

[IAmAwesome]

I don't think Goku, Bulma, Oolong or Yamcha's names were puns.

Bulma is a pun. Oolong is tea. Goku is Sky. Yumcha is a pun on Yum Cha which means to drink tea.

is because I think it would be a great idea for Future Trunks to have a lifestyle similar to main timeline's Gohan. In fact, they alraedy are similar, as they're saviors of their respective timelines. Gohan killed Cell, saving his timeline. Future Trunks killed Future Cell, saving his timeline. I think making them have similar lifestyles would be a great idea.

Trunks killing Cell did not save his timeline. Cell was going to the PASTu] to get 17 and 18. Just like Cell did in the main timeline. The future was saved when 18 and 17 died. Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan saved the main timeline not just Gohan. Trunks and Gohan only similarity are they're half saiyans. Other than that. They're NOT similar at all. Maybe the fact they're respectful but that's ALL.

Earth would as much help as possible to rebuild, so Trunks would be working day and night to rebuild it.

When he fought Cell. He didn't seem busy at all.

Trunks seems like an appropriate character to use for craftmanship and engineering, seeing as he is the son of Bulma.

Not as smart. Most likely he'll just do heavy work or save injured people. Maybe even pick up a tree for the road.

It's definitely like something not too far from what you'd expect from Toriyama! And please don't call me cocky for saying this; I've been working on this followup for YEARS. Probably more than a decade, in fact. I've been revising it more and more so that it's not like the typical DBZ fanfiction (for an example, it used to be full of new Saiyan characters, new Super Saiyan levels, ripoff villains ... but I revised it to the point where it doesn't have any of that)

OH BOY! Can't wait to see how you screw this up. This is coming from a 9 year old with better DBZ ideas than you.

[Dr. Machismo]

OH BOY! Can't wait to see how you screw this up. This is coming from a 9 year old with better DBZ ideas than you.

You're 9? Wow, you seem A LOT smarter than how I was at your age! I was posting on forums when I was your age, but my posts were no more detailed than the classic "wow dats so AWESUM dude sweet *insertmoreabominationstotheenglishlanguagerighthere*" And man, I feel so dumb for letting a 9 year old rustle my jimmies. And I'm almost 17! I can just think of one word to describe this ... embarassing. I ... I think I gotta take a break from this site now ... shhhh ... whoo, that really blows ...

Anyway, I'd respond to the rest of your post, but it's time call it a night. To the bedroom.

[RockJohnAxe]

I feel so dumb for letting a 9 year old rustle my jimmies. And I'm almost 17!

I had guessed 16-17 some time ago.

followup to the Dragonball manga!

It better be drawn, or at least properly written with grammer and proper spelling!

It's definitely like something not too far from what you'd expect from Toriyama! In fact, I'd say it's even BETTER!

That is a fucking big boast that I, infact, find rather insulting to Toriyama. I doubt you have the slightest idea what even goes into making a manga or comic book or any form of novel. Also based on how you react to criticism, the internet will tear your soul asunder, ESPECIALLY with a boast like this.

I've been working on this followup for YEARS. Probably more than a decade, in fact. I've been revising it more and more

Revision is a good thing. All good stories go through countless revisions. But if the concepts are weak the story will be no matter how many revisions you make.

I'm glad you are playing with some creative ideas and making a fan tribute to a great series, but don't ever claim it to be on the levels of Toriyama again. What arrogance! My god man!