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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Unicron, Primus, Vector Prime, Milleniummon, Moon=Milleniummon and ZeedMillenniummon could since they have powers greater then anything shown in the Dragon Ball franchise. Unicron was strong enough to almost destroy the whole multiverse. Anyways, I also remember that crossover between Goku and Enel that happen several years ago. I remember Goku had go SSj to beat him when in a real fight, Goku would able to beat him in his base form. The creators most likely thought "It would be cool if Goku went SSj against Enel in a fight".
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Well, Goku shouldn't be able to touch Enel, since Enel has eaten a Logia Devil Fruit. So, to hit him, he should either know how to use Busoshoku no Haki (which he doesn't know), or have something like rubber gloves. So, Goku needs rubber gloves, and then punch Enel once, killing him instantly. 
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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We have no idea how Ki would act on a logia, so its wrong to simply assume that Goku wouldn't touch him. After all, Haki doesn't seem that much different from Ki.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Well, Goku shouldn't be able to touch Enel, since Enel has eaten a Logia Devil Fruit. So, to hit him, he should either know how to use Busoshoku no Haki (which he doesn't know), or have something like rubber gloves. So, Goku needs rubber gloves, and then punch Enel once, killing him instantly.
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Yes, but I find it more impressive to stop the actual planet than all the beings on it, honestlyMewzard wrote:You're forgetting that it wasn't just the planet itself, everything on the planet stopped movie, and I mean EVERYTHING (the people, the animals, the objects, ****ing WEATHER stopped moving). They don't call him the Knocking Master for nothing.rereboy wrote:For what its worth, Toriko's characters are becoming insanely powerful. Recently, one character used a immobilization technique that briefly stopped the planet from rotating.
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Well, ki doesn't make you predict movements, or amplify parts of your bodies/all your body/your weapon(s) to the point they turn black, and there are not one out of a million people that can leave someone unconscious with his ki. Haki also doesn't get the form of a blast. So, Haki & Ki are two different things, and since ki doesn't exist in One Piece world, it shouldn't have any specialty against Devil Fruits, which don't exist in the Dragon World.rereboy wrote:We have no idea how Ki would act on a logia, so its wrong to simply assume that Goku wouldn't touch him. After all, Haki doesn't seem that much different from Ki.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Well, Goku shouldn't be able to touch Enel, since Enel has eaten a Logia Devil Fruit. So, to hit him, he should either know how to use Busoshoku no Haki (which he doesn't know), or have something like rubber gloves. So, Goku needs rubber gloves, and then punch Enel once, killing him instantly.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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How do you know xD. We never see character eat fruit.it shouldn't have any specialty against Devil Fruits, which don't exist in the Dragon World.
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- Controlling Ki makes you sense your opponent which is basically one of the aspects of Haki.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Well, ki doesn't make you predict movements, or amplify parts of your bodies/all your body/your weapon(s) to the point they turn black, and there are not one out of a million people that can leave someone unconscious with his ki. Haki also doesn't get the form of a blast. So, Haki & Ki are two different things, and since ki doesn't exist in One Piece world, it shouldn't have any specialty against Devil Fruits, which don't exist in the Dragon World.rereboy wrote:We have no idea how Ki would act on a logia, so its wrong to simply assume that Goku wouldn't touch him. After all, Haki doesn't seem that much different from Ki.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Well, Goku shouldn't be able to touch Enel, since Enel has eaten a Logia Devil Fruit. So, to hit him, he should either know how to use Busoshoku no Haki (which he doesn't know), or have something like rubber gloves. So, Goku needs rubber gloves, and then punch Enel once, killing him instantly.
- Ki is used to amplify the body's offense and defense, that is proven when Vegeta lowers his Ki so that Krillin can hurt him and trigger a Zenkai. That's pretty much armament Haki.
Of course there are differences, but they are similar in many aspects. So what makes you so sure that it wouldn't hurt a Logia? Haki just seems to me to be the Ki of One Piece, with its own little twists unique to that world. If suddenly a Ki user from Dragon Ball appeared there, I would have no trouble believing that his Ki could hurt Logias, and I would have no trouble believing that his Ki couldn't hurt Logias as well.
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They have a few similarities, but also have even more differences. And like I said, Ki & Devil Fruits don't co-exist in the same world, so I don't believe that there is any relation between them.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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The Milleniummon were mentioned, but here's also Wisemon who is omniscient and almost omnipresent, and can trap enemies anywhere in space-time it wishes, Lucemon Falldown Mode has a technique which is a 50/50 chance of either instantly killing the victim or gravely wounding them, Tactimon can bust starts by drawing his katana, several Digimon can create black holes, and there's plenty of other broken abilities like that. Even some of the weakest Ultimate/Mega Digimon are planet busters according to their official profiles.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:There are Digimon & Transformers that are stronger than DBZ?!Hellspawn28 wrote:I can name a few Transformers and Digimon that could solo DBZ
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Saiga wrote:The Milleniummon were mentioned, but here's also Wisemon who is omniscient and almost omnipresent, and can trap enemies anywhere in space-time it wishes, Lucemon Falldown Mode has a technique which is a 50/50 chance of either instantly killing the victim or gravely wounding them, Tactimon can bust starts by drawing his katana, several Digimon can create black holes, and there's plenty of other broken abilities like that. Even some of the weakest Ultimate/Mega Digimon are planet busters according to their official profiles.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:There are Digimon & Transformers that are stronger than DBZ?!Hellspawn28 wrote:I can name a few Transformers and Digimon that could solo DBZ
I stopped watching after Tamers. Apparently I have missed some stuff.
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The Milleniummon were mentioned, but here's also Wisemon who is omniscient and almost omnipresent, and can trap enemies anywhere in space-time it wishes, Lucemon Falldown Mode has a technique which is a 50/50 chance of either instantly killing the victim or gravely wounding them, Tactimon can bust starts by drawing his katana, several Digimon can create black holes, and there's plenty of other broken abilities like that. Even some of the weakest Ultimate/Mega Digimon are planet busters according to their official profiles.
Tactimon never showed that off in the anime. Even after his sword was unsealed he got his ass kicked. Wisemon had his own pocket dimension in his book, but if he was that powerful he would have ended the threat in season 6. I never watched season 4. Either their card or manga events were more impressive or they were nerfed in the anime.
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Kamiccolo9 wrote:Saiga wrote:The Milleniummon were mentioned, but here's also Wisemon who is omniscient and almost omnipresent, and can trap enemies anywhere in space-time it wishes, Lucemon Falldown Mode has a technique which is a 50/50 chance of either instantly killing the victim or gravely wounding them, Tactimon can bust starts by drawing his katana, several Digimon can create black holes, and there's plenty of other broken abilities like that. Even some of the weakest Ultimate/Mega Digimon are planet busters according to their official profiles.
I stopped watching after Tamers. Apparently I have missed some stuff.
I stopped after Tamers as well! Though that was 8 years ago, I can still remember some stuff.James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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I didn't watch Digimon(KILL ME) but I did read it.
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I actually went through the first three seasons again recently. Good stuff. I could never get into what I saw of season 4 though. After the D-Reaper (which was one of the best ideas for a villain that I've seen) everything else I saw seemed lacking.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Kamiccolo9 wrote:Saiga wrote:The Milleniummon were mentioned, but here's also Wisemon who is omniscient and almost omnipresent, and can trap enemies anywhere in space-time it wishes, Lucemon Falldown Mode has a technique which is a 50/50 chance of either instantly killing the victim or gravely wounding them, Tactimon can bust starts by drawing his katana, several Digimon can create black holes, and there's plenty of other broken abilities like that. Even some of the weakest Ultimate/Mega Digimon are planet busters according to their official profiles.
I stopped watching after Tamers. Apparently I have missed some stuff.
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I don't like 02 that much. I kinda found the D-reaper boring. It felt like it went on and on and on. I'm also not much of a fan of computer like enemies. I have been through 1,2,3,5,6, and 7. And seven sucks balls until that one moment of pure awesomeness that everyone should see.Kamiccolo9 wrote: I actually went through the first three seasons again recently. Good stuff. I could never get into what I saw of season 4 though. After the D-Reaper (which was one of the best ideas for a villain that I've seen) everything else I saw seemed lacking.
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02 has Steve Blum as Black WarGreymon, therefore your opinion is invalid.dbzfan7 wrote:I don't like 02 that much. I kinda found the D-reaper boring. It felt like it went on and on and on. I'm also not much of a fan of computer like enemies. I have been through 1,2,3,5,6, and 7. And seven sucks balls until that one moment of pure awesomeness.Kamiccolo9 wrote: I actually went through the first three seasons again recently. Good stuff. I could never get into what I saw of season 4 though. After the D-Reaper (which was one of the best ideas for a villain that I've seen) everything else I saw seemed lacking.
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Steve Blum did an awful Goku( I get a plus bonus for being on a Dragon Ball site) so that counteracts his WarGreymon who's arc was so long and tedious.Kamiccolo9 wrote: 02 has Steve Blum as Black WarGreymon, therefore your opinion is invalid.
I really liked the season 6 protagonist. Problem was he was way too smart and made everyone look like shit.
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He was an amazing Shishio, who's badass factor negates your Dragon Ball plus bonus, netting me the win.dbzfan7 wrote:Steve Blum did an awful Goku( I get a plus bonus for being on a Dragon Ball site) so that counteracts his WarGreymon who's arc was so long and tedious.Kamiccolo9 wrote: 02 has Steve Blum as Black WarGreymon, therefore your opinion is invalid.
I really liked the season 6 protagonist. Problem was he was way too smart and made everyone look like shit.
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Exactly... Why do you assume then that Ki would be ineffective? You simply don't know...DBZGTKOSDH wrote:And like I said, Ki & Devil Fruits don't co-exist in the same world