Full Power Fat Buu = Super Buu?

[RandomGuy96]

I think Gogeta is a turd to Gohan-Buu and not that far off from Gohan, sooo....

[Son Edo]

Although, this thread sounds like an excuse to have Gogeta much more stronger than everybody else

What are you talking about? No one has mentioned Gogeta.

Among other things, this would indicate that Super Buu, Gotenks, and Gohan probably aren't as strong as many people think

Just a hunch.

I'm not even going to debate about it since 90% of everyone has Gogeta = Vegetto.

[mAcChaos]

Just embrace your position.

[RandomGuy96]

Most people think they're 10 times stronger than Goku and Kid Buu. That comment had nothing to do with Gogeta, who I still think is nothing to Boohan.

[Kamiccolo9]

I still have no idea what Gogeta has to do with any of this. We were talking about Fat Buu.

[Son Edo]

All is good

[Axiom]

Most people think they're 10 times stronger than Goku and Kid Buu. That comment had nothing to do with Gogeta, who I still think is nothing to Boohan.

Most (if not all) people who believe this aren't too smart. Just saying.

[Kamiccolo9]

Most people think they're 10 times stronger than Goku and Kid Buu. That comment had nothing to do with Gogeta, who I still think is nothing to Boohan.

Most (if not all) people who believe this aren't too smart. Just saying.

You've been asked numerous times to be more polite with your posts. Is it really that hard?

[OWmyDragonBallz]

Buu's bio in Daizenshuu 7 says the following:

He killed the North and West Kaioshin, absorbed the South Kaioshin, and then when he took in the gentle heart of the Dai Kaioshin, his ferociousness and power were somewhat weakened. Afterwards he was sealed away by Bibidi, and many centuries passed. In the year Age 774, his seal was broken by Bibidi's son Babidi, and he was once again resurrected as a fearsome majin. Though he befriended Mister Satan for a time, afterwards he changed into an evil Buu. This evil Buu powered up by successively absorbing Gotenks, Piccolo, and Gohan. In his battle against Vegetto, the good portion inside him was cut off, and he transformed into his original form, the pure Buu. In the end, he was annihilated by a Super Genki-dama collected from the ki of all humanity. Meanwhile, the good Buu came to live with Mister Satan, and changed his name to Mister Buu.

I used to think that this entry was saying that Fat Buu was only somewhat weaker than Pure Buu. However, Kamiccolo9 brought up a good point: it didn't specify which form of Buu was weakened. But logically, we know what Buu it is: Buff Buu. He's the one who absorbed Grand Kaioshin in the first place. The process of absorbing the Grand Kaioshin "somewhat weakened" Buff Buu. Buuuuuut... Buff Buu was turned into Fat Buu, who's much, much weaker than Buff Buu, not just by a bit. So that can't be right, right?

Well... not really. People often forget this, but the power Fatty used against Goku was never stated to be his full, and was heavily implied not to be. There wasn't anything special about it, it was just one in a long line of power ups. Saying that Fatty is much weaker than Super Buu based on THIS power is like saying he's much weaker than Majin Vegeta based on his initial level right after exiting the pod, before he did any angry power ups. Fat Buu's true maximum logically only came out when Mr. Satan was shot. His aura flared, steam came out of his head, and he was madder than ever. These are all signs of a power up, going by previous examples. Fat Buu, at that exact moment, could've been anything, power wise. And I think the story at least leans towards him being stronger than SS3 Goku in that instance, since Evil Buu should be as strong or more likely stronger than Pure Buu by himself.

I think the entry was implying that Fat Buu's full power is the same as Super Buu's, and THAT is the level that is somewhat below Buff Buu's. It's just simple math when you think about it; they're made of the same components. Among other things, this would indicate that Super Buu, Gotenks, and Gohan probably aren't as strong as many people think (just enough to be incredibly superior to Goku and Pure Buu), since Full Power Fat Buu had his power split between Evil Buu and Good Buu. Unless you think Evil Buu is just a god who is a bajillion times stronger than all the non-fusions, and the addition of a low SS3 tier fighter's power was completely negligible, but then you'd have to address the issue of why this supposed beast produced the weak Pure Buu, with all that extra power seemingly disappearing.

What do you guys think about that entry?

That does make sense. But remember that Fat Boo is SSJ3 tier and Goku can sense him from the Kaioshin realm. Wouldn't you think that he would have felt the power of Fat Boo getting enraged the whole time? It makes no sense for him not to know about it. And most of all, wouldn't that make SSJ Gotenks (Pre Rosat) weaker than Fat Boo? I mean SSJ Gotenks pre rosat has to be at least >= SSJ3 Goku. If Fat Boo were holding back a power of that magnitude, then what makes Goku certain that Gotenks can win? Also, I can't help but not ignore the quote of Vegeta stating inside Boo's body that if he becomes the Fat Boo again that he would be weaker than he is as Evil Boo. How do you explain that?

[Axiom]

Most people think they're 10 times stronger than Goku and Kid Buu. That comment had nothing to do with Gogeta, who I still think is nothing to Boohan.

Most (if not all) people who believe this aren't too smart. Just saying.

You've been asked numerous times to be more polite with your posts. Is it really that hard?

I didn't call/say anything about anyone in particular, so if you want to take it personal, that's your prerogative, I really don't care either way. I DO mind however, when you try to moderate me. That's why there are mods, let them do their jobs, and if you have a complaint about me, you can PM me or notify them. For someone who likes to spout off the forum rules, you seem to forget to apply the same standards to yourself.

[Axiom]

Buu's bio in Daizenshuu 7 says the following:

He killed the North and West Kaioshin, absorbed the South Kaioshin, and then when he took in the gentle heart of the Dai Kaioshin, his ferociousness and power were somewhat weakened. Afterwards he was sealed away by Bibidi, and many centuries passed. In the year Age 774, his seal was broken by Bibidi's son Babidi, and he was once again resurrected as a fearsome majin. Though he befriended Mister Satan for a time, afterwards he changed into an evil Buu. This evil Buu powered up by successively absorbing Gotenks, Piccolo, and Gohan. In his battle against Vegetto, the good portion inside him was cut off, and he transformed into his original form, the pure Buu. In the end, he was annihilated by a Super Genki-dama collected from the ki of all humanity. Meanwhile, the good Buu came to live with Mister Satan, and changed his name to Mister Buu.

I used to think that this entry was saying that Fat Buu was only somewhat weaker than Pure Buu. However, Kamiccolo9 brought up a good point: it didn't specify which form of Buu was weakened. But logically, we know what Buu it is: Buff Buu. He's the one who absorbed Grand Kaioshin in the first place. The process of absorbing the Grand Kaioshin "somewhat weakened" Buff Buu. Buuuuuut... Buff Buu was turned into Fat Buu, who's much, much weaker than Buff Buu, not just by a bit. So that can't be right, right?

Well... not really. People often forget this, but the power Fatty used against Goku was never stated to be his full, and was heavily implied not to be. There wasn't anything special about it, it was just one in a long line of power ups. Saying that Fatty is much weaker than Super Buu based on THIS power is like saying he's much weaker than Majin Vegeta based on his initial level right after exiting the pod, before he did any angry power ups. Fat Buu's true maximum logically only came out when Mr. Satan was shot. His aura flared, steam came out of his head, and he was madder than ever. These are all signs of a power up, going by previous examples. Fat Buu, at that exact moment, could've been anything, power wise. And I think the story at least leans towards him being stronger than SS3 Goku in that instance, since Evil Buu should be as strong or more likely stronger than Pure Buu by himself.

I think the entry was implying that Fat Buu's full power is the same as Super Buu's, and THAT is the level that is somewhat below Buff Buu's. It's just simple math when you think about it; they're made of the same components. Among other things, this would indicate that Super Buu, Gotenks, and Gohan probably aren't as strong as many people think (just enough to be incredibly superior to Goku and Pure Buu), since Full Power Fat Buu had his power split between Evil Buu and Good Buu. Unless you think Evil Buu is just a god who is a bajillion times stronger than all the non-fusions, and the addition of a low SS3 tier fighter's power was completely negligible, but then you'd have to address the issue of why this supposed beast produced the weak Pure Buu, with all that extra power seemingly disappearing.

What do you guys think about that entry?

That does make sense. But remember that Fat Boo is SSJ3 tier and Goku can sense him from the Kaioshin realm. Wouldn't you think that he would have felt the power of Fat Boo getting enraged the whole time? It makes no sense for him not to know about it. And most of all, wouldn't that make SSJ Gotenks (Pre Rosat) weaker than Fat Boo? I mean SSJ Gotenks pre rosat has to be at least >= SSJ3 Goku. If Fat Boo were holding back a power of that magnitude, then what makes Goku certain that Gotenks can win? Also, I can't help but not ignore the quote of Vegeta stating inside Boo's body that if he becomes the Fat Boo again that he would be weaker than he is as Evil Boo. How do you explain that?

As usual, these theories aren't really based on what is said in the story - I can point out a few inconsistencies off the top of my head.
FatBuu is as strong as Evil Buu - Obviously incorrect on many levels, including what you pointed out above. How come no one noted Buu's supposed powerup before he split into two beings, why is everyone surprised when EvilBuu is formed if FatBuu was just as powerful? Of course, the most damning statement is Vegeta stating outright that Fatbuu is indeed weaker than the EvilBuu in front of him.

Second - Gotenks pre-rosat and post is absolutely weaker than Goku. Nothing, and I do mean NOTHING implies that he ever surpassed Goku - even with his SSJ3. I know, I swing Goku's nuts, but I also read above a middle school level, and I never found any such implication in the Manga. I'll keep my comments to myself about those who "read" something different.

[PerfectFreeza]

Nothing?Leaving Evil Boo in beaten up state is nothing?
While Gotenks Pre-SSJ3 is questionable, SSJ3 Gotenks has actually feats.

[Axiom]

What feats, Buu allowing him to win?

[Kakashi]

What feats, Buu allowing him to win?

Goku said he would lose against Evil Boo and SSJ Gotenks was stated to be at least able to beat Fat Boo

[PerfectFreeza]

Boo holding back on him is heavily debatable.Regadless, even if Evil Boo was holding back on SSJ3 Gotenks, Gotenks is still stated to be equal Boo as the first one.
Piccolo: “N-no…He is weakened…I don’t know about physically, but he’s weakened a little mentally…! Th-this is the first time…that he’s fought someone strong like you…He’s feeling flustered by someone whose strength is at least on par with his own…”

[VegettoEX]

Account warnings being issued.

Again I say: c'mon, "in-universe" folks, prove the stereotype wrong and have fun, engaging, polite conversations with each other about these tiny statements and implications in the franchise without resorting to personal attacks, name-calling, childish behavior, and unfortunate public babysitting that makes you look silly, but also makes the entire community as a whole look silly.

[Kamiccolo9]

Most (if not all) people who believe this aren't too smart. Just saying.

You've been asked numerous times to be more polite with your posts. Is it really that hard?

I didn't call/say anything about anyone in particular, so if you want to take it personal, that's your prerogative, I really don't care either way. I DO mind however, when you try to moderate me. That's why there are mods, let them do their jobs, and if you have a complaint about me, you can PM me or notify them. For someone who likes to spout off the forum rules, you seem to forget to apply the same standards to yourself.

I never told you to do anything; I'm not "moderating" you. I'm just asking you to be more civil. Do you honestly not see how "Most people who believe this aren't too smart. Just saying," might be construed as rude?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Most (if not all) people who believe this aren't too smart. Just saying.

I don't understand why after many offensive posts like this, you still aren't banned.

[Kaboom]

Haven't I mentioned before how provoking someone is just as bad?

[RandomGuy96]

That does make sense. But remember that Fat Boo is SSJ3 tier and Goku can sense him from the Kaioshin realm. Wouldn't you think that he would have felt the power of Fat Boo getting enraged the whole time? It makes no sense for him not to know about it. And most of all, wouldn't that make SSJ Gotenks (Pre Rosat) weaker than Fat Boo? I mean SSJ Gotenks pre rosat has to be at least >= SSJ3 Goku. If Fat Boo were holding back a power of that magnitude, then what makes Goku certain that Gotenks can win? Also, I can't help but not ignore the quote of Vegeta stating inside Boo's body that if he becomes the Fat Boo again that he would be weaker than he is as Evil Boo. How do you explain that?

We never saw Goku's reaction to angry Fat Buu. For all we know Fat Buu only reached full power in that instance, making him hard to sense since it popped up and left quickly.

Not weaker than the Fat Buu that Goku said he could beat. This is just one of many power ups Fat Buu does after his enemies underestimate him. It's not like Goku has any way of knowing Fat Buu's full strength.

How would Vegeta know? Was he there to witness to split? Alternatively, he'll just have Goku kill Fatty immediately, before he gets angry. Or the above theory. Mostly I'm trying to make sense of the Daiz line, which outright says that Fatty is only a bit weaker than Buff Buu.