Realistically, how strong is Cell with Goku absorbed?

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Realistically, how strong is Cell with Goku absorbed?

Post by Gonstead » Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:50 am

Of course, I'm speaking about that one scene in GT.

How strong would Cell have been if he had his "Super Perfect" power + full access over Super Saiyan 4 Goku's power?
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Re: Realistically, how strong is Cell with Goku absorbed?

Post by goku the krump dancer » Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:24 am

Well by that point in the series Cell is a fly, and even if you make a fly grow to the size of a Gorilla (Goku) its still no match for a Tyrannosaurus ( Yi- Shenlong).

So basically anybody that SSJ4 Goku was stronger than, Weaker than or equal to... Cell would now be in the same boat.
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Re: Realistically, how strong is Cell with Goku absorbed?

Post by Blade » Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:34 am

Wasn't there that thing in the Cell arc where he stated that absorbing any of the Z Fighters would have been pointless, as he already had enough of their DNA within him?

I figured that the GT writers just forgot about that in favour of 30 seconds of on-screen content, kind of like they did with most things.
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Re: Realistically, how strong is Cell with Goku absorbed?

Post by mAcChaos » Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:54 pm

Based on how is tail is in his perfect form I figured he can't even be able to absorb anyone anymore.
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Re: Realistically, how strong is Cell with Goku absorbed?

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:04 pm

mAcChaos wrote:Based on how is tail is in his perfect form I figured he can't even be able to absorb anyone anymore.
Looks more like a bee sting. I'm pretty sure he can still use it but not to eat people. He can use it like a bee stinging someone.

On topic: Not much stronger as Cell did say he have enough DNA from the Z fighters so it'll be pointless.

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Re: Realistically, how strong is Cell with Goku absorbed?

Post by goku the krump dancer » Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:43 pm

When he mentioned that he had enough DNA I think he was referring to how he didn't need anymore to build upon himself for his overall structure as a bio organic being.
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Re: Realistically, how strong is Cell with Goku absorbed?

Post by Blade » Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:32 pm

goku the krump dancer wrote:When he mentioned that he had enough DNA I think he was referring to how he didn't need anymore to build upon himself for his overall structure as a bio organic being.
I'm not convinced, otherwise when Gohan ascended to Super Saiyan 2 Cell surely would have attempted to absorb Vegeta, Trunks or Goku to give him the edge. I'm fairly certain this was just another oversight on the part of the writers in GT.
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Re: Realistically, how strong is Cell with Goku absorbed?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:42 pm

Blade wrote:Wasn't there that thing in the Cell arc where he stated that absorbing any of the Z Fighters would have been pointless, as he already had enough of their DNA within him?

I figured that the GT writers just forgot about that in favour of 30 seconds of on-screen content, kind of like they did with most things.
Cell also mentioned that absorbing Piccolo would bring him much closer to his perfect form.
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Re: Realistically, how strong is Cell with Goku absorbed?

Post by Blade » Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:11 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Blade wrote:Wasn't there that thing in the Cell arc where he stated that absorbing any of the Z Fighters would have been pointless, as he already had enough of their DNA within him?

I figured that the GT writers just forgot about that in favour of 30 seconds of on-screen content, kind of like they did with most things.
Cell also mentioned that absorbing Piccolo would bring him much closer to his perfect form.
But that was during his imperfect existence, wherein he was so physically depleted and weak that he relied upon absorbing the energy of average humans.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:18 pm

Blade wrote:
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Blade wrote:Wasn't there that thing in the Cell arc where he stated that absorbing any of the Z Fighters would have been pointless, as he already had enough of their DNA within him?

I figured that the GT writers just forgot about that in favour of 30 seconds of on-screen content, kind of like they did with most things.
Cell also mentioned that absorbing Piccolo would bring him much closer to his perfect form.
But that was during his imperfect existence, wherein he was so physically depleted and weak that he relied upon absorbing the energy of average humans.
Yes, but IIRC, he said that quote you mentioned earlier to Trunks while he was in his Imperfect state. I've always just taken it to mean that he already had enough Saiyan-Namekian-Freeza peoples' DNA, and absorbing more wouldn't grant him any kind of enhanced traits.
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Re: Realistically, how strong is Cell with Goku absorbed?

Post by goku the krump dancer » Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:55 am

Blade wrote:
goku the krump dancer wrote:When he mentioned that he had enough DNA I think he was referring to how he didn't need anymore to build upon himself for his overall structure as a bio organic being.
I'm not convinced, otherwise when Gohan ascended to Super Saiyan 2 Cell surely would have attempted to absorb Vegeta, Trunks or Goku to give him the edge. I'm fairly certain this was just another oversight on the part of the writers in GT.
Yeah like Kamicollo said I think your confusing DNZ meaning power when it actuality its referring to the traits of that certain species.

*Zenkais are a Saiyan trait, regenerating is a Namekian trait and surviving in deep deep space is a Freeza-ling trait.

Shit, I believe that if the spy robot wasn't destroyed by Piccolo then a hypothetical "Present Time" Cell would probably be above even the GT tier villains. Because at that point, the present time Cell wasn't set to be completed and released for another 24 years. The Boo arc takes place seven years after the Cell that we know and love (or hate) is destroyed so that means the spy robot has golden opportunity to snag some fresh DNA from Dabura, Bobidi, Boo, Kaioshin and even Kibito because at some point or another DNA was spilled from those characters.

Fast forward 15 years after Boo's defeat, its the beginning of GT and Present Time Cell now only has two years before he's completed mind you by that point the DNA collecting process might very well be over but you never know and by then that still gives the Spy-Bot time to collect DNA from Baby if thats possible.
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Re: Realistically, how strong is Cell with Goku absorbed?

Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Aug 23, 2013 2:21 am

Didn't Earth blow up in GT. Would't that kill present Cell? Before he was born. But yea he would be amazingly strong. Now imagine if the bug and the programming for Cell decided to take more data just to be safe. That mean they would get SSJ4 Goku and Dragon Fist. Damn. Wish DBGT would have made a plot hole with that instead of making a plot hole of "I can sense android ki" aka Trunks: The android had a similar energy as 18.

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Re: Realistically, how strong is Cell with Goku absorbed?

Post by Gonstead » Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:04 am

But the wish to restore the Earth to before it was destroyed would theoretically revive present-Cell as well.
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Re: Realistically, how strong is Cell with Goku absorbed?

Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:29 am

Gonstead wrote:But the wish to restore the Earth to before it was destroyed would theoretically revive present-Cell as well.
Seriously. Everytime I here wish back someone as if they're death never happen. Reminds me of Fairy Odd Parents. Also Would't Pure Boo destroy Earth anyways? They didn't make the same exact wish. They said all the good people. Cell was evil and made by evil. So I'm sure Poruguna isn't stupid. But this is DBGT :lol:

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Re: Realistically, how strong is Cell with Goku absorbed?

Post by Gonstead » Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:14 am

Present-Cell wouldn't have actually done anything to merit Good nor Evil. Since he hasn't done anything bad yet, he'd be wished back.
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Re: Realistically, how strong is Cell with Goku absorbed?

Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:11 pm

Gonstead wrote:Present-Cell wouldn't have actually done anything to merit Good nor Evil. Since he hasn't done anything bad yet, he'd be wished back.
DB logic. He was made by evil so he's evil. Besides Crll eas most likely going to kill everyone. If they did the wish when Gero haven'y attack yet he'll still be dead since RRA. Unless they mean evil strong people.

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