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Re: Movies That Could Work In The Canon Timeline.

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:36 pm

As much as I enjoy Cyborg/Android 13, theres another issue. Trunk's sword is still intact even though her broke it against 18's arm (and this sword cut through Freeza like a hot knife through Raditz.). Though its strange to give it back to him only for it to break on Super 13's arm. Also, seeing as I have this placed during the last 3 days of rest, why wouldent Trunks be wearing Bulma's armor?
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Aug 22, 2013 10:42 pm

I remember Vegeta never ASSj in the movie. If he transform into ASSj then he would own Super #13 and killed him. Super #13 is around Semi-Perfect Cell level in my opinion.
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Post by Sun-Wukong » Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:25 am

There was something about Movie 5 that always bugged me from a continuity standpoint, but I didn't put my finger on it until fairly recently.

Let's assume that it takes place during the three years everyone was training for the androids. The film premiered on 20 July 1991, according to this very site. That's a whole 9 days before Goku even arrived back on Earth in the manga in Weekly Jump, and 23 days before the revelation that the androids would be coming in three years. Also, keep in mind that that's just when the movie premiered; it had to have been in development long before anyone at Toei had any idea there would be a some three year training period they could set it in.

Now, when you think about it, this makes sense. If the movie had been intended to take place after Trunks' first appearance, Cooler wouldn't have heard about his brother being killed by some Saiyan; rather, he would have heard about his brother and father being killed by some Saiyan. Furthermore, why didn't he hear about Freeza's supposed death on Namek beforehand and go to Earth before Trunks arrived? If he first heard about said defeat after Freeza was found drifting through space and turned into a cyborg, why didn't he go to Earth with him and their father? It just doesn't make any sense and it explains why Gohan is so young in the movie; it's supposed to take place immediately after the fight on Namek, because Toei was probably expecting Goku to defeat Freeza and not proceed to dick around in space for a year. Also, he still has a tail, so there's that.

Come to think of it, though, how much cooler (heh) would the movie have been if he and the Armored Squadron attacked Yardrat while Goku was there training? Or maybe just hunting him across space afterwards, but still before Freeza had been found by their father and patched up? Someone ought to do a fanfic of that. . . .

Comparatively, Movie 13 seems to fit very well except for the fact that the Dragonballs only grant one wish. I may be remembering wrong, but I'm pretty sure the set Dende made could make three wishes or two if they only waited half a year (or perhaps the two wishes every six months was the only option, but either way) the dragon never disappeared after granting just one wish.

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Re: Movies That Could Work In The Canon Timeline.

Post by 90sDBZ » Fri Aug 23, 2013 6:04 am

I'd say the only movies that could truly work are Bojack Unbound and Wrath of the Dragon. There are others that come close but have lots of minor issues such as:

-Dead Zone. Krillin and co. knowing who Gohan is.
-Cooler's Revenge. Goku can't transform at will and Gohan still has his Namek hairstyle and a tail. Plus Vegeta is nowhere to be seen.
-The Legendary Super Saiyan. Goku and Gohan being in base and the world seemingly being at piece with school interviews going on while before the Cell Games the cities were mostly in panic and getting evacuated. Plus Vegeta and Trunks should be at the lookout or in the roast training rather than sitting around at a Barbeque.

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Post by Zephyr » Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:12 pm

Movie 7 happens after they used the blueprints from Gero's lab to build the controller to shut #17 and #18 down.

Then Trunks went back to the future with the controller to shut down the androids in his time, and was later killed by the Cell we all know and love.

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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:44 pm

90sDBZ wrote:I'd say the only movies that could truly work are Bojack Unbound and Wrath of the Dragon. There are others that come close but have lots of minor issues such as:

-Dead Zone. Krillin and co. knowing who Gohan is.
-Cooler's Revenge. Goku can't transform at will and Gohan still has his Namek hairstyle and a tail. Plus Vegeta is nowhere to be seen.
-The Legendary Super Saiyan. Goku and Gohan being in base and the world seemingly being at piece with school interviews going on while before the Cell Games the cities were mostly in panic and getting evacuated. Plus Vegeta and Trunks should be at the lookout or in the roast training rather than sitting around at a Barbeque.
For Broly it could be said ChiChi made Goku revert to base for the interview and the world is calm because of Mr. Satan's appearance. Other than that, thats all I got
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Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:49 pm

the world is calm because of Mr. Satan's appearance.
Even when Mr Satan appeared everyone panic and left.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:50 pm

1-8 can't happen. 9 can happen, 10-12 can't happen and 13 can. Though some movies can work if tweaked.
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Post by Gonstead » Sat Aug 24, 2013 6:12 am

TheGmGoken wrote:
the world is calm because of Mr. Satan's appearance.
Even when Mr Satan appeared everyone panic and left.
Not from what I saw. Once Mr Satan appeared, everything pretty much just went back to normal.
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sat Aug 24, 2013 6:18 pm

Indeed, I remember a load of people watching the fight between Goku and Cell when it was being recorded by the news crew.
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Post by Eternal Super Saiyan » Tue Aug 27, 2013 1:44 am

Movies 1-11 just don't fit in place. Like they take place in some sort of alternate universe.

Bardock and Trunks specials fit good because of their relevance to the story/dialogue. And maybe movies #12 and #13. Those are the only two movies I'm betting on that could work in the Canon timeline. #12 works because they timed it perfectly when Goku's 24 hours was up and he ended up back in Other World, and Vegeta was there too with Goku because of course that was when he blew himself up to save the others. Gotenks already happened because Goku taught the kids the fusion. #12 fits very good. #13 of course fits too because that takes place after Buu, so it didn't need to have much relevance to the story. That was basically like a special.
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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Tue Aug 27, 2013 1:58 am

Movie 12 doesn't fit at all:
-The world seems perfectly at peace, not almost entirely destroyed with everyone either training to kill Buu or hiding out.
-Gohan is on Earth playing Saiyaman with Videl instead of either being in the Kaioshin Realm or fighting Buu.
-Mister Satan isn't hanging out with Buu or wandering around with Bee.
-Goku is fighting with Paikuhan instead of hanging out in the Kaioshin Realm after finding Gohan...who is on Earth...
-I'm sure there is more, but that's enough to prove a point.
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Tue Aug 27, 2013 5:55 am

To sum up, the only movies that could officially work into the canon timeline with ease is 9 and 13.
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Post by 90sDBZ » Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:17 am

Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:Movies 1-11 just don't fit in place. Like they take place in some sort of alternate universe.

Bardock and Trunks specials fit good because of their relevance to the story/dialogue. And maybe movies #12 and #13. Those are the only two movies I'm betting on that could work in the Canon timeline. #12 works because they timed it perfectly when Goku's 24 hours was up and he ended up back in Other World, and Vegeta was there too with Goku because of course that was when he blew himself up to save the others. Gotenks already happened because Goku taught the kids the fusion. #12 fits very good. #13 of course fits too because that takes place after Buu, so it didn't need to have much relevance to the story. That was basically like a special.
Why can't movie 9 fit into place? I'd say it fits just fine a while after Cell's defeat. Also movie 12 couldn't possibly fit in. Goku and Vegeta are both dead so it can't be before or after the Buu saga yet there seems to be peace on earth with all the humans alive and Gohan, Goten and Trunks relaxing rather than fighting Super Buu. I'd say movie 12 takes place in a universe were either Gohan or Gotenks killed Super Buu.

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:38 am

Even 9 has its own minor inconsistencies in regards to Trunks though, but easier to hand wave than DBZ Movie 1 I guess.
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Post by Shineman » Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:32 pm

Movie 1 and 5 can be worked into the Official Timeline of Dragon Ball, if tweaked a bit (I'd used official timeline as there's technically no canon within Dragon Ball). Movie 9 and 13 work perfectly within the timeline, and shows no issues with it either. There's might be some inconsistencies with Trunks in movie 9, but it's something not worth fighting about and can be seen as a oversight on Toei's part. Obviously that Battle of Gods fit into the timeline, despite few inconsistencies here and there.

The rest of the movies can be considered as alternate timelines, where in this timeline, instead of fighting Cell, they fought this guy. That's what I think of the movies, anyways.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:09 pm

Obviously that Battle of Gods fit into the timeline, despite few inconsistencies here and there.
It really doesn't. At least not if Movie 5 and 1 don't. This one has way more continuity errors than those two, like Gohan going Super Saiyan and Mr. Satan not knowing who Dende is.
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:17 pm

Found another flaw in Movie 9. King Kai states he and the other Kai's sealed Bojack in a star because of the rampage he was going on. So...why not do that with Freeza? Its painfully obvious Bojack could stomp Freeza so I think if the Kai's needed to, Freeza could have been locked away.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:33 am

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Found another flaw in Movie 9. King Kai states he and the other Kai's sealed Bojack in a star because of the rampage he was going on. So...why not do that with Freeza? Its painfully obvious Bojack could stomp Freeza so I think if the Kai's needed to, Freeza could have been locked away.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:16 am

Movie 9 fits fine, but I just find it wired that the events of the movie were never mention again in the show? Did the writers of the show didn't care to bring up Bojack and his gang again? Them having a cameo in Hell where the other villains watching Goku fighting Buu would have been cool to see.
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