The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dbzfan7 » Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:38 pm

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Actually, I can, when the writer is apparently just trying to save face (do you seriously believe he never noticed this before fans complained?) and wrote a story that makes zero sense if Gohan was Ultimate.

He shouldn't even be able to turn Super Saiyan at all. The last time he was told to try that, he went Ultimate instead. So if he can, not only is it a sloppy change, it's a plothole.

He was originally a Super Saiyan, he was going to be a Super Saiyan before fans complained, and the movie treats him as a Super Saiyan.
It would make sense as Gotenks doesn't even go SSJ3. Why would he not go SSJ3 if he just saw Ultimate Gohan lose. SSJ Gotenks even get's commented on by Birus even though he would be much weaker than Ultimate Gohan.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by PerfectFreeza » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:35 am

SSJ2 Future Trunks(Cell Games) vs. Bojack(can go FP)
Who wins?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:44 pm

PerfectFreeza wrote:SSJ2 Future Trunks(Cell Games) vs. Bojack(can go FP)
Who wins?
Bojack, but not by much. I'd say he takes it 5.5/10 times. I see him as a few notches above SS Gohan, so the difference between him and Trunks would be tiny. A skilled warrior could easily make up for this difference and pull a win. But not Trunks.

Bojack- 2,000,000,000
-Full Power- 3,000,000,000

SS Trunks: 1,400,000,000
-SS2- 2,800,000,000
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by PerfectFreeza » Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:28 pm

Shouldn't he be above Gohan already in base?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:36 pm

PerfectFreeza wrote:Shouldn't he be above Gohan already in base?
Why? Even when he was transformed, he still took his team for back up against Gohan.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by PerfectFreeza » Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:05 pm

Merely his henchmen took out Gohan.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:08 pm

PerfectFreeza wrote:Merely his henchmen took out Gohan.
With teamwork. And they are only Cell Junior level, judging by Bido's reaction to Vegeta and Zangya's scuffle with Trunks. Just weird movie feats at work again. Like base Goku flooring Bojack.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:54 pm

PerfectFreeza wrote:SSJ2 Future Trunks(Cell Games) vs. Bojack(can go FP)
Who wins?
Trunks destroys him.

SSJ2 Trunks: 1,350
Bojack Power Up: 900
Bojack: 600
SSJ Gohan: 500
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:53 pm

Bojack stomps.
FPSSJ Trunks: 1,700
Bojack: 3,200
SSJ2 Trunks: 3,400
FP Bojack: 4,800
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:02 pm

Bojack wins.Trunks was below FP Goku and Bojack should be around Cell level(Perfect). I think Trunks(Cell games) SSj2 would be JUST below Bojack. Like Bojack = 90. Trunks = 85

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:43 pm

Movie/Manga EQUAL POWER LEVEL Fights

Raditz vs Garlic JR (no immortality)

Dr. Wheelo vs Saiyan saga Vegeta

Tullece vs Ginyu

Lord Slug vs Freeza

Cooler vs Freeza again

Meta Cooler vs 17 or 16

13, 14, & 15 vs 16, 17, & 18 (no combining)

Broly vs Cell

Bojack vs Cell

Fat Boo vs Fat Janemba

Super Boo vs Super Janemba

Boohan vs Hildegarn
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:47 pm

Raditz vs Garlic JR (no immortality)
Can Jr summon the dead Zone?
Dr. Wheelo vs Saiyan saga Vegeta
Vegeta wins with Ape but Whello cuts it off and smashes Vegeta. Thus making Uris the winner
Tullece vs Ginyu
Bootleg Goku wins
Lord Slug vs Freeza
Lord Slug. Goku needed a Kaiokenx100
Cooler vs Freeza again
Cooler. He has a extra form
Meta Cooler vs 17 or 16

13, 14, & 15 vs 16, 17, & 18 (no combining)

Broly vs Cell

Bojack vs Cell

Fat Boo vs Fat Janemba

Super Boo vs Super Janemba

Boohan vs Hildegarn
17 or 16 wins
The android duo beats the android trio.
Broly wins because Cell commits suicide only Broly's ugly design
Cell wins
Fat Boo eats Janemba and turns yellow
Boohan wins

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:49 pm

No dead zone. I want to keep this to fighting ability so everyone is equal when fighting.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:52 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:No dead zone. I want to keep this to fighting ability so everyone is equal when fighting.
Raddish wins then

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Post by Dr. Machismo » Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:53 pm

But Garlic Jr is way stronger than Raditz
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by PerfectFreeza » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:13 pm

1.No idea.They seem to have the same amount of skills.
2.Can Vegeta transform into an Oozaru?If so, then he wins.If not, then Wheelo wins, as he can most likely survive in space.
3.Ginyu swaps bodies with Tullece and then kills him.
4.Freeza can survive in space, so if he busts the place, he wins.
5.Coola seems to have better skills, such as faster Supernova charge speed, so I think he wins.
6.They both seem to have unlimited stamina.Coola can't use IT on 17 or 16, since their ki can't be sensed.I guess Coola wins, since he can get his his body repaired.
7.No idea, since they are matched in every aspect.
8.Cell has more skill, intelligence and can survive in space, survive horrifying injuries and regenerate.The only thing Broly has over him, is his ki generation.So Cell wins.
9.Bojack loses, as Cell has all of those abilities I mentioned above.
10.Boo can turn him into a candy and has almost perfect regeneration.Janemba has dimension/reality changing abilities.I am pretty sure his abilities would overcome Boo's regeneration and candy beam.Then again, Boo could just learn his abilties immediately and use them against him, meaning Boo would win, as he has the regeneration.
11.Same as above, although Evil Boo could absorb him this time.
12.Gohan Boo would outsmart Hildegarn's abilties with Piccolo's mind, so he wins.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:15 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:Movie/Manga EQUAL POWER LEVEL Fights

Raditz vs Garlic JR (no immortality)

Dr. Wheelo vs Saiyan saga Vegeta

Tullece vs Ginyu

Lord Slug vs Freeza

Cooler vs Freeza again

Meta Cooler vs 17 or 16

13, 14, & 15 vs 16, 17, & 18 (no combining)

Broly vs Cell

Bojack vs Cell

Fat Boo vs Fat Janemba

Super Boo vs Super Janemba

Boohan vs Hildegarn
Equals? Awwww....

Anyway:

Junior beats Raditz. He has immortality, the Dead Zone, seems to be able to amplify ki, doesn't have an obvious tail weakness, and, oh yeah, he's immortal.

Vegeta for being smaller, nimbler, and more skilled.

Neither impressed me at all skill wise. Ginyu seemed a bit more savvy, had the body switch technique, and could almost certainly amplify his ki, so I give it to him.

Normal Slug I presume? He didn't really show off a lot of range; while I'm sure he knows about ki amplification, I doubt that'll be enough to contend with Freeza's natural durability and deadly range of techniques, even with his regeneration.

Cooler ends the fight in five seconds by throwing a Supernova before Freeza knows what's going on.

Metal Cooler wins with Instant Transmission + Supernova combo. Even without that, Cooler is certainly more skilled than any of android in ki control, and Metal Cooler can regenerate and steal energy.

No idea. None of them have any notable skills or abilities whatsoever aside from the infinite stamina, which everyone on the list has.

Cell murders Broly. Broly seems a bit slow for his power level, and while he can amplify ki and launch homing attacks, I don't think that'll help him much against someone so much more skilled than him. Hell, all Cell has to do is throw a Kienzan and dare Broly to tank it. If this is SPC, he'll also have Instant Transmission, making things even worse for Broly.

Cell murders Bojack for the same reasons.

Not sure. It all comes down to what fatso and Janemba choose to do. Buu can win if he hits Janemba with a transmutation beam, and probably if they just fight normally (since Buu has regeneration and technique copying). Janemba wins if he uses his reality warper powers to their fullest extent, or just deflects Buu's beam with his portals. I guess I'll give it to Buu.

Janemba's sword is useless, obviously, and Buu's regeneration is still a huge advantage. Pair that with technique copying, absorption, and a tactical mind and I'm pretty sure Super Buu has the win here. He can just blow himself up, taking Janemba with him, and re form himself later. Janemba still has a decent chance with his reality warper powers, it's just less of a chance than he had against fatso. His best hope is to deflect a transmutation beam, but Buu doesn't use that unless he's outmatched, and he certainly won't be against Janemba.

Buuhan. More skill + smaller size + regeneration, and the ability to copy any of Hirudegarn's abilities upon seeing them used once. The fight would end with the formation of Buudegarn.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:17 pm

No deadzone or immortality
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:18 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:No deadzone or immortality
Garlic still wins on part of not having an obvious weakness, and probably better physical attributes. He's also less likely to start whining like a crybaby and lose his yuuki, like I'm sure Raditz will when he sees someone on his level trying to kill him.
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RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:19 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:No deadzone or immortality
Garlic still wins on part of not having an obvious weakness, and probably better physical attributes.
Not to mention that it'd be hilarious having Garlic Jr. flipping around beating up on Raditz, who's a pretty big guy. It'd be kinda Yoda-esque :P
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