Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[TheGmGoken]

A average work deserves to be constantly bashed like it is in this topic?

Not constantly bashed. Every 3 pages.

Does it really deserve it...? Geez.

Depends on the person's opinion

[Gyt Kaliba]

I'd have to agree. We get it, you guys don't like this special. We hear you loud and clear. You don't have to re-post it every time a new page comes out. Or if you do, it is possible to say it without the whole 'nope, it sucks, you're wrong, I'm right' condescending tone.

[TheGmGoken]

Or if you do, it is possible to say it without the whole 'nope, it sucks, you're wrong, I'm right' condescending tone.

When has that happen?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I do it when I don't like something.

Then stop doing it. I don't want to mini-mod, but the point of this forum isn't to bash things, the point of this forum is to post meaningful posts, so that we can all have a meaningful conversation. Bashing repeatedly all the time does not create a meaningful conversation.

I would't say i's constant. More or less after every 3 pages.

You seem to skip pages of the thread.

All I see in this topic nowadays are people bashing it at every chance they get like its the worst thing ever. Does it really deserve it...? Geez.

I don't believe so. Tough most of the specials are pointless (Universes 6, 7, 12, 16, and 17), and even stupid at times (mostly U12/14/15 one), the main comic is one of the best Dragon Ball doujinshi IMO.

[dbzfan7]

I was a huge fan of the comic. Now I'm still intrigued, but not as impressed. I really do like how Vegetto's smile was done in the art. It had that same warm feeling that you get from Goku during good times. Especially when Vegetto's face looks more like Vegeta.

[TheGmGoken]

Then stop doing it. I don't want to mini-mod, but the point of this forum isn't to bash things, the point of this forum is to post meaningful posts, so that we can all have a meaningful conversation. Bashing repeatedly all the time does not create a meaningful conversation.

Stop doing what? Expressing my opinion. As I said. I rarely do it and most of the time it's not bashing. It's disagreeing. Bashing is what most of the others are doing. Even though to be honest. Y'all have done it to. To DBGT. Unreasoable bashing to that series as well yet no one complains.

You seem to skip pages of the thread.

I wrote that not rereboy. Also I don't. It's is every 2 - 3 pages it turns into bashing.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Even though to be honest. Y'all have done it to. To DBGT. Unreasoable bashing to that series as well yet no one complains.

I'm very annoyed with the GT bashing as well, especially with the "GT base Goku >>>>>>> all" so called "jokes".

[Gyt Kaliba]

Y'all have done it to. To DBGT. Unreasoable bashing to that series as well yet no one complains.

Actually, considering there's a thread about if GT has been overly-criticized, I'd say a good few of us do complain about it - or at least, discuss.

See, that's what the problem is here. You, and a few others, aren't 'discussing' about why you dislike it. Sure, you're giving reasons, but they're in blanket statements that are being stated as cold, hard fact, rather than something to be discussed. That and, again, it doesn't bear repeating every time a new page comes out.

Perhaps the old saying 'if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all' should come into play here. Not 100% of course, since negativity has it's place after all, but c'mon, we get it already.

[TheGmGoken]

Actually, considering there's a thread about if GT has been overly-criticized, I'd say a good few of us do complain about it - or at least, discuss.

Did you read some of the post?

I feel it's rather not criticized enough yet.

No, it deserves all the critisism it gets.

Uhhh... no.

See, that's what the problem is here. You, and a few others, aren't 'discussing' about why you dislike it. Sure, you're giving reasons, but they're in blanket statements that are being stated as cold, hard fact, rather than something to be discussed. That and, again, it doesn't bear repeating every time a new page comes out.

I explained most of my reasons. Only a few times have I not explained. By a few I mean at most 3.

Perhaps the old saying 'if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all'

Never heard that in my life.

but c'mon, we get it already.

Once again depends on the person

[TheGmGoken]

Flashback Sunday

[KaiserNeko]

Guys.

If you don't like his discussion/criticism/"bashing" of the manga:

Don't pay attention to it.

This is a PUBLIC FORUM. He's not being belligerent, he's not being excessive, he's giving his opinion with each new page that comes up.

You don't like it? You don't agree with it? Then don't read it and just post your own thoughts/move along.

Seriously, not trying to mini-mod either, but c'mon. This is some common sense right here, guys.

[rereboy]

I'm a fan of criticism as much as any other guy. However, it was not criticism itself I was talking about or even particular opinions, or even particular users. I was merely pointing out that this topic has progressively become just a topic of constant bashing of this fan manga, which is something that I find unfair, unreasonable and I don't particularly like. And if any user of this forum is free to state whatever opinion he wants about this fan manga and its discussion, then I also believe I'm free to state whatever opinion I have regarding the discussion in this topic and the course it has taken, as long as I'm respectful towards other users. Free opinion is, after all, a two way street. That, to me, is also common sense.

[Fionordequester]

Then stop doing it. I don't want to mini-mod, but the point of this forum isn't to bash things, the point of this forum is to post meaningful posts, so that we can all have a meaningful conversation. Bashing repeatedly all the time does not create a meaningful conversation.

It is meaningful though, especially since we know that Salagir seems to occasionally read this thread (and therefore, may do a better job in the future). Even if it wasn't though, sometimes, being able to share in the disappointment of other people is a good way of connecting with them, in that you feel good when other people seem to share your opinion.

Yes, it can become destructive if it goes too far (like, say, launching personal attacks on Salagir himself), but I don't think it's gotten anywhere near to that point yet.

[omegalucas]

the earrings only work with the Kaioshins and that the Old Kaioshin enchanted them to work with Goku.

Hold on. So then he also enchanted them to work with that witch who stole one from him?

Well, I assume that this means that they required a Kaioshin to work, the other half of the fusion could be something else...

(In case it's not clear, it’s Gohan from universe 16 on this page. He talked to the Kaio Shins during the night, as was said several pages ago)

Hi everyone.

Sorry for the long text, but I wanted to explain a few things about potala-fusion.
Gokû's explanation regarding the de-fusion of Vegetto inside Buu never convinced me. The real reason is actually never told and we all understand it was merely a trick from Toriyama to separate Vegetto.
I’ve invented a reason, and this will be DBM-canon. Before carrying on, here is some more informations about what I invented about the Kaiô Shins.

Have you never wondered why those guys wear the incredibly powerful and dangerous Potalas around? It’s the treasure of the Kaio Shins, the old one said. And, of course, as East Kaio Shin was too young, he didn’t know about them.

So I've decided they were invented by and for the Kaio Shins. They would work only if one of the user was a Kaio Shin, and he would use it to gain abilities from another person. It’s not an equal fusion : the old Kaiô Shin used 'I' when he spoke of the younger Kaio Shin and 'she' when he spoke of the old witch. Same goes for Kibitoshin, he spoke of Kibito as another person. Contrary to the dance-fusion, the Potalas allows one Kaio Shin to “absorb” another being!
(Of course I’m only interpreting a few sentences, but I decided this to be official in DBM).

This means that someone who steals the Potalas won’t be able to use them.

This also means that old Kaiô Shin modified the Potalas he gave to Gokû. Of course, this isn’t told in the manga, and clearly he didn’t take the time to explain, but please bear with me here and accept that he did modify the potalas in a second because it was easy for him, and he didn’t talk about the details.
This whole theory could even work without this “Kaiô Shin only” rule, but it will help reducing the number of fused people around and also explain why it feels like the Kaiô Shin doesn’t treat the other fused person as an equal.
As Gokû isn’t a Kaiô Shin, an “upper” being, the resulting being considers Vegeta an equal, so it’s like a dance-fusion : a new being, not simply a better Kaiô Shin.

Remember that the Kaiô Shins are very arrogant, and don’t think much of the “lower” beings. Also keep in mind that the old Kaiô Shin enforces lots of rules, he is very strict about them (although he understand the whole universe is in danger and that’s why he agrees to create Vegetto and to use the Dragon Balls).

This takes us to the inside of Buu. It now fits perfectly.
Kaiô Shins' essences are in Buu. Vegetto is “illegally” using a Kaiô Shin device.
They act on it and “split” Vegetto.

[mAcChaos]

All you have to do to explain Vegito defusing is just look at how Buu's nature is opposite that of the Kaioshin, just like how Kaioshin ki doesn't help him out and absorbing a Kaioshin actually weakens him.

[RandomGuy96]

All you have to do to explain Vegito defusing is just look at how Buu's nature is opposite that of the Kaioshin, just like how Kaioshin ki doesn't help him out and absorbing a Kaioshin actually weakens him.

Kaioshin ki does help him out, as is obvious by the fact that South Kaioshin DID strengthen him. Quite significantly. So that excuse doesn't fly. Not that I like the DBM one; it's once again a load of bull. Mostly because it's unnecessary and just... weird, that the disembodied essences of long dead beings somehow have the power to kill the strongest guy in Z.

And according to the Daizenshuu, it's Dai Kaioshin's "gentle heart" that weakened Buu, not his ki. SK had the same ki and he made Buu stronger.

[TheMightyOzaru]

That excuse DOES fly. Buu's influence was merely greater than Southie's so he was able to use that Ki to strengthen himself. It should also be noted that Dabura makes note of not being able to use Kaioshin's energy to revive Buu. The Potara just support the whole Buu reacts weird to Kaioshin stuff theory.

[Dr. Machismo]

wait a sec .... how did the supreme kais even know about the potara? in the manga the eastern supreme kai didn't know about it, so how did the others?

[Gyt Kaliba]

wait a sec .... how did the supreme kais even know about the potara? in the manga the eastern supreme kai didn't know about it, so how did the others?

I seem to remember it being said somewhere that he was the newest, or at least the youngest, of the Kaioshin. So maybe he hadn't been told about every single one of their techniques/tricks/etc. yet?

Thing is, I can't remember where I read about that, and if it was in anything official or not...

[Rocketman]

wait a sec .... how did the supreme kais even know about the potara? in the manga the eastern supreme kai didn't know about it, so how did the others?

I seem to remember it being said somewhere that he was the newest, or at least the youngest, of the Kaioshin. So maybe he hadn't been told about every single one of their techniques/tricks/etc. yet?

Thing is, I can't remember where I read about that, and if it was in anything official or not...

Elder Kai says it. Eastern Supreme didn't get to finish his training before Buu attacked and killed everybody else.