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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Saiga » Sat Sep 21, 2013 7:56 pm

rereboy wrote:
Saiga wrote:That's Viz's translation
Herms' translation has already been quoted.
I know. I was only referring to the pages that Malik posted.

Herms' translation makes it clearer to me that Piccolo wasn't being praised his intelligence, but being more level-headed than Gotenks.

@MAcChaos But the hour glass thing wasn't a trick, nor very intelligent (it was just begging), the kill all humans thing failed because it was just straight up a dumb idea (and more begging) and destroying the RoSaT entrance was a desperate move (that doesn't require much brains). Everything Piccolo did was desperate blundering.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Zephyr » Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:24 pm

Are the the semantics of something Toriyama wrote really being argued?
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:26 pm

Saiga wrote:
Herms' translation makes it clearer to me that Piccolo wasn't being praised his intelligence, but being more level-headed than Gotenks.
That's not the only quote regarding it, as it has been pointed out.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Saiga » Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:49 pm

rereboy wrote:
Saiga wrote:
Herms' translation makes it clearer to me that Piccolo wasn't being praised his intelligence, but being more level-headed than Gotenks.
That's not the only quote regarding it, as it has been pointed out.
And? Unless you have the others, that's not very helpful.

All you're doing is nitpicking what I've said without really saying anything yourself.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Fionordequester » Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:55 pm

The whole thing is semantics though. There's an argument to be made for Piccolo not making Buu much smarter, and an argument against it, but it's nitpicking to flat out say that the argument against is correct, because it's an argument that can't be factually proven by quotes. Meanwhile, Piccolo being brainy IS supported by quotes, and, unless you analyze the story more than AT himself probably did, has a pretty strong argument for it.

RandomGuy's theory is interesting, and I think has some ground (Buu was indeed pretty smart, and it's not like Piccolo was super brainy in my opinion), but it doesn't have hard proof behind it, does it?
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Saiga » Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:58 pm

I've never bought Piccolo being the smart one. The only evidence I've ever seen for it is Evil Boo absorbing him for his intelligence, which seems like a clear misinterpretation of the scene to me.
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Post by Fionordequester » Sat Sep 21, 2013 9:04 pm

...Doesn't seem much of a stretch to me, with Super Buu talking about "Piccolo's brains", and Gohan saying that he got smarter. I don't see how you can really for sure say that that's incorrect.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by mAcChaos » Sat Sep 21, 2013 9:12 pm

Saiga wrote:@MAcChaos But the hour glass thing wasn't a trick, nor very intelligent (it was just begging), the kill all humans thing failed because it was just straight up a dumb idea (and more begging) and destroying the RoSaT entrance was a desperate move (that doesn't require much brains). Everything Piccolo did was desperate blundering.
With his PL that's all he COULD do though. But just the fact that he was able to keep his head on straight and come up with these last ditch efforts is better than what a lot of other characters would do, which is just panic and run.

It was begging but it's still basically Piccolo using the little leverage he had, knowing he can use Buu's thirst for battle to get some extra time.
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Post by Saiga » Sat Sep 21, 2013 9:20 pm

mAcChaos wrote: With his PL that's all he COULD do though. But just the fact that he was able to keep his head on straight and come up with these last ditch efforts is better than what a lot of other characters would do, which is just panic and run.

It was begging but it's still basically Piccolo using the little leverage he had, knowing he can use Buu's thirst for battle to get some extra time.
I know it's all he could do, but it's nothing that should make Boo think "this guy is quite intelligent".
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Post by mAcChaos » Sat Sep 21, 2013 9:22 pm

Could also be the fact that he killed Babidi once and was the one in charge through the whole thing.
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Post by KaiserNeko » Sat Sep 21, 2013 9:25 pm

I'm seriously confused as to why anyone would think Piccolo isn't intelligent.

No, he's no genius, but he's far smarter than SUPER BUU, who quite frankly has trouble speaking in full sentences when he's angry.

... or in general.

Piccolo, on the other hand, is a strategist, is far more intelligent than either Goten or Trunks, has many years of battle experience, and vast knowledge compared to Super Buu. Why is it such a problem to imagine he picked out Piccolo as a substantial step up? He even SAYS, "With Gotenks' power and Piccolo's intelligence." Why even refer to Piccolo's intelligence if that's NOT WHAT HE WANTS?
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Post by Saiga » Sat Sep 21, 2013 9:42 pm

KaiserNeko wrote:I'm seriously confused as to why anyone would think Piccolo isn't intelligent.

No, he's no genius, but he's far smarter than SUPER BUU, who quite frankly has trouble speaking in full sentences when he's angry.

... or in general.

Piccolo, on the other hand, is a strategist, is far more intelligent than either Goten or Trunks, has many years of battle experience, and vast knowledge compared to Super Buu. Why is it such a problem to imagine he picked out Piccolo as a substantial step up? He even SAYS, "With Gotenks' power and Piccolo's intelligence." Why even refer to Piccolo's intelligence if that's NOT WHAT HE WANTS?
Being more eloquent only means you're more eloquent than someone. Doesn't cover intelligence in other areas.

And all you've done is used different ways of describing intelligence to describe Piccolo. It's the same thing. I don't think he's intelligent because I've never actually seen him do anything particularly intelligent (and have some plenty of cases of him doing dumb shit). Only fans saying he's intelligent. The only intelligent thing I've ever seen Piccolo do was trick Cell into thinking he's beaten, but he immediately fucks that up so that he can boast (and also, that was apparently God's idea anyway).
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Fionordequester » Sun Sep 22, 2013 1:57 am

Isn't it still more than most of the other Z warriors were able to do?
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:55 am

Saiga wrote:
And? Unless you have the others, that's not very helpful.

All you're doing is nitpicking what I've said without really saying anything yourself.
Because everything has already been said. I'm only now pointing out to you what has already been said in this topic that goes completely against what you are saying.

You should have noticed all the evidence contrary to what you are saying (and already stated in this topic) by yourself, which is why I won't lose much time writing what already has been written.
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And all you've done is used different ways of describing intelligence to describe Piccolo. It's the same thing. I don't think he's intelligent because I've never actually seen him do anything particularly intelligent (and have some plenty of cases of him doing dumb shit). Only fans saying he's intelligent. The only intelligent thing I've ever seen Piccolo do was trick Cell into thinking he's beaten, but he immediately fucks that up so that he can boast (and also, that was apparently God's idea anyway).
Nobody in Dragon Ball acts that intelligent, even characters that are referred to as intelligent or geniuses. That's an inherent flaw to the kind of storytelling that Toriyama uses. He never writes characters that smart and even when he does make a character seem smart, often that same character does some stupid shit later on. That doesn't change the fact that, in-universe, they are pretty smart (especially since nobody else is written to be that smart).

However, even considering that, compared to Super Buu and Gotenks, Piccolo is stated and shown to be much smarter. And since that's the only comparison that matters for Buu to want to absorb him for his intelligence, I fail to see what you are trying to say with your argument, other that being completely inflexible with your opinion of course.

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Post by Scarz » Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:42 pm

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Post by Kaboom » Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:44 pm

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:50 pm

You seem pretty convinced that such an attack actually hurt Arale :mrgreen:

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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:51 pm

I get the feeling this isn't the end of it. At least, it better not be. C'mon Arale, at least give her a challenge! :cry:
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:56 pm

18 cheated. You aren't suppose to hit a gag character that hard.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:16 pm

Gyt Kaliba wrote:I get the feeling this isn't the end of it. At least, it better not be. C'mon Arale, at least give her a challenge! :cry:
This girl survived a Planet crushing her, she's perfectly fine.
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