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by Kaboom » Sun Oct 06, 2013 3:36 am
RandomGuy96 wrote:Kid Buu wrote:Piccolo (after first Time Chamber trip) Vs. Vegeta (after first Time Chamber trip)
I think they should be equals, but the inefficiency of Grade II will grant Piccolo the win.
I agree with this, essentially. I consider Piccolo to have reached "Super Vegeta's" power, if not surpassing it by just a tiny bit. Piccolo would eventually win either way.
KentalSSJ6 wrote:See I thought Grade 3 is when the speed decrease takes effect. I dont remember Vegeta being hampered at all when he was "Super Vegeta", which was Grade 2.
Grade 3 is when the bulkiness of the muscles starts to severely hinder speed, yes. But while Grade 2 at least grants both a speed and power boost evenly, it still has its own problems. Goku notes how it wastes too much energy, and it puts extra stress on the body. Those would become serious issues for Vegeta in a drawn-out battle against someone more or less equal with him in power.
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by Super Vegetto » Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:26 am
dbzfan7 wrote:Super Vegetto wrote:SSJ3 Goku vs Mystic Gohan (Dbz Battle of Gods)
In promotional material (i.e. the BOG website), Gohan was stated to have power surpassing pure saiyans. So I'd say Gohan.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:43 am
TheMightyOzaru wrote:It grows as you grow in power. It has nothing to do with age.
We can't know for sure how it grows, or if it grows at all.
Super Vegetto wrote:SSJ3 Goku vs Mystic Gohan (Dbz Battle of Gods)
Gohan destroys Goku, easily.
Kid Buu wrote:Piccolo (after first Time Chamber trip) Vs. Vegeta (after first Time Chamber trip)
Piccolo destroys Vegeta. He seemed to be barely keeping up with a Cell Jr., and I don't see Super Vegeta (post-1st RoSaT) doing anything against one of them.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by Super Vegetto » Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:51 am
SSJ Angry Vegeta (Battle of Gods) vs SSJ Gotenks (Pre Rosat)
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by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:01 am
Super Vegetto wrote:SSJ Angry Vegeta (Battle of Gods) vs SSJ Gotenks (Pre Rosat)
Vegeta kicks SSJ2 Gotenks'(Post ROSAT) ass.
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:15 am
Super Vegetto wrote:SSJ Angry Vegeta (Battle of Gods) vs SSJ Gotenks (Pre Rosat)
Vegeta is buried in the same spot Goku was buried after his fight with Gohan.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:12 pm
Super Vegetto wrote:SSJ Angry Vegeta (Battle of Gods) vs SSJ Gotenks (Pre Rosat)
Gotenks spits and Vegeta dies
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by KentalSSJ6 » Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:16 pm
Super Bebi Vegeta VS Super 17 (Bebi Vegeta being the form hes in before going Oozaru)
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:27 pm
KentalSSJ6 wrote:Super Bebi Vegeta VS Super 17 (Bebi Vegeta being the form hes in before going Oozaru)
Super 17 eats Bebi energy. Gets to strong and beats the shit out of Bebi. Bebi then goes Oozaru and Super 7 takes that energy as well.
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by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Oct 06, 2013 2:34 pm
I'm sorry but I can't comprehend how you guys can think Enraged BoG Vegeta would lose to Ssj Gotenks(Pre) considering he did faaaaaaaar better against Beers than Bog Ssj Gotenks, whom is stronger than Ssj Gotenks(Post).
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Oct 06, 2013 2:37 pm
TheMightyOzaru wrote:I'm sorry but I can't comprehend how you guys can think Enraged BoG Vegeta would lose to Ssj Gotenks(Pre) considering he did faaaaaaaar better against Beers than Bog Ssj Gotenks, whom is stronger than Ssj Gotenks(Post).
Birsu spanked Gotenks who's a kid. Have you been spanked before? ASIAN STYLE! That shit hurts. Also SSJ Vegeta(BEFORE rage) was doing better than Gotenks infact he did better than Boo and Gohan. So I guess that means SSJ Vegeta(Before rage) > Boo, Gohan, and Gotenks
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by Saiyan Prince Vegeta » Sun Oct 06, 2013 2:57 pm
Super Vegetto wrote:SSJ Angry Vegeta (Battle of Gods) vs SSJ Gotenks (Pre Rosat)
I give it too Vegeta. In my eyes SSJ Gotenks is around 1.25-1.5 x stronger than SSJ3 Goku (Boo arc). Just going by the movie Vegeta was really impressive when enraged.
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by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Oct 06, 2013 2:59 pm
TheGmGoken wrote:TheMightyOzaru wrote:I'm sorry but I can't comprehend how you guys can think Enraged BoG Vegeta would lose to Ssj Gotenks(Pre) considering he did faaaaaaaar better against Beers than Bog Ssj Gotenks, whom is stronger than Ssj Gotenks(Post).
Birsu spanked Gotenks who's a kid. Have you been spanked before? ASIAN STYLE! That shit hurts. Also SSJ Vegeta(BEFORE rage) was doing better than Gotenks infact he did better than Boo and Gohan. So I guess that means SSJ Vegeta(Before rage) > Boo, Gohan, and Gotenks
Vegeta's skill allowed him to last longer, but he still couldn't budge him. Vegeta budged him when he got angry. Gohan was also drunk soooooooo...
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Oct 06, 2013 3:05 pm
Vegeta's skill allowed him to last longer, but he still couldn't budge him. Vegeta budged him when he got angry. Gohan was also drunk soooooooo...
He was drunk....and? He mange to put him in a hold. Once again spanking(Gag defeat) > regular feats. Not saying Gotenks would budge him but Birsu was not even fazed by the attack. He tanked the shit out of it.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Oct 06, 2013 3:11 pm
TheMightyOzaru wrote:I'm sorry but I can't comprehend how you guys can think Enraged BoG Vegeta would lose to Ssj Gotenks(Pre) considering he did faaaaaaaar better against Beers than Bog Ssj Gotenks, whom is stronger than Ssj Gotenks(Post).
Beers was caught by surprise by Vegeta, but not by Gotenks & Gohan, and he also allowed Vegeta to keep hitting him, hoping that he was the Super Saiyan God. Beers is so strong that the difference between Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, and Gotenks is irrelevant.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Oct 06, 2013 3:43 pm
TheGmGoken wrote:Vegeta's skill allowed him to last longer, but he still couldn't budge him. Vegeta budged him when he got angry. Gohan was also drunk soooooooo...
He was drunk....and? He mange to put him in a hold. Once again spanking(Gag defeat) > regular feats. Not saying Gotenks would budge him but Birsu was not even fazed by the attack. He tanked the shit out of it.
Him being drunk gets rid of the power scaling discrepancies. I don't see how Gotenks getting spanked makes him stronger than the guy that actually landed quite a few hits, but OK.... Believe what you want I guess.
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by Kaboom » Sun Oct 06, 2013 3:55 pm
Super Vegetto wrote:SSJ Angry Vegeta (Battle of Gods) vs SSJ Gotenks (Pre Rosat)
I don't consider Super Saiyan Gotenks all that far ahead of Super Saiyan Goku or Vegeta anyway. So when Vegeta gets a rage-fueled power up that puts him ahead of SSJ3 Goku, Gotenks gets wrecked immediately.
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by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Sun Oct 06, 2013 3:57 pm
Super Saiyan Gotenks gets stomped by Vegeta here. Bills punch is more effective than anything Gotenks could do.
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:01 pm
TheMightyOzaru wrote:TheGmGoken wrote:Vegeta's skill allowed him to last longer, but he still couldn't budge him. Vegeta budged him when he got angry. Gohan was also drunk soooooooo...
He was drunk....and? He mange to put him in a hold. Once again spanking(Gag defeat) > regular feats. Not saying Gotenks would budge him but Birsu was not even fazed by the attack. He tanked the shit out of it.
Him being drunk gets rid of the power scaling discrepancies. I
don't see how Gotenks getting spanked makes him stronger than the guy that actually landed quite a few hits, but OK.... Believe what you want I guess.
Cause that was a gag defeat not a regular defeat. Also as already said Birsu was shocked AND let Vegeta to hit him to see him Vegeta was the SSG
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by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:06 pm
Wasn't Vegeta's situation a gag too? "Ore no Buruma!!!!!!!" Yeah that's a gag. I also don't see how you can argue that a gag defeat proves anything. I don't see how Beers letting Vegeta hit him would prove he's a Ssj God. I just think Beers was caught off guard by the difference in power going from Ssj to angry Ssj(2).
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