The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:28 pm

Dabra VS Bojack.

How do you think this would have gone down?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:33 am

Dabra is a tricky one when it comes to his power.

SSJ2 logic: he one shots.

SSJ logic: Bojack one shots.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:40 am

Either way, he wins. The official stance is that he'd rip Bojack limb from limb with ease. But even going with a fairly common fan stance, I think he'd still win, since Bojack doesn't wear a shirt, is a huge target, likes to toy, and is very arrogant... making him an absolutely perfect target for Dabra's spit. Please note that Bojack doesn't even know about the spit, so he should be easy prey. And even knowing about the spit didn't let Gohan dodge it.

If the spit fails, Dabra can just use Afterimage to distract Bojack and then cut him in half with a sneak attack from his demon sword. Or burn him to a crisp with fire breath (movie characters seem to be weak to heat).
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:53 am

Dabra's a pretty good match for non-transformed Bojack, and I could see a battle between them going either way. If Bojack transforms though, then Dabra's only good shot at winning is a glob of magic spit to Bojack's shirtless and unguarded torso. Otherwise he's outclassed in power by a pretty good margin.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dbzfan7 » Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:21 am

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Dabra VS Bojack.

How do you think this would have gone down?
You may as well have asked was Gohan SSJ or SSJ2 :lol: .

I can see Dabura winning if I went with SSJ2 Gohan or Dabura winning with the spit technique if he had less power.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:20 am

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Dabra VS Bojack
Bojack stomps. He was stronger than SS Gohan in base, while Dabra could get beaten by SS Gohan if Gohan had kept training according to Vegeta. So, except if Bojack starts playing around and gets spitted by Dabra, Dabra is screwed.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:21 am

Bojack is certainly stronger, but Dabura's magic would probably lend him the victory.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:04 am

How strong is Mutaito. We know he's weaker than Daimao, but Muten Roshi pretty much said no one could beat Daimao (Muten Roshi can't sense ki but the biggest feat Daimao showed was him effortlessly beating his master at the time). Would that make Mutaito stronger than everyone at the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai?
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:23 pm

I'd give him a BP of 200-220.
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Post by Kid Buu » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:24 pm

Cell Games Gohan Vs. Saiyaman at Equal Power Levels.

Adult Gohan has a better body, but the younger version isn't as rusty because he's actually been training. Who takes it?
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Post by Super Vegetto » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:27 pm

It's pretty obvious that Kid Gohan takes this.

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Wed Oct 16, 2013 12:12 am

Saiyaman takes this because Kid Gohan would refuse to fight.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Oct 16, 2013 2:35 am

Kid Buu wrote:Cell Games Gohan Vs. Saiyaman at Equal Power Levels.
I personally believe that they really are equals going by battle powers. The reason he is "weaker" is because his skills have gotten very rusty (to the point that it was taking longer than it should to defeat someone like Dabra), and he couldn't draw power from his rage easily.

With that said, CG Gohan wins. He is a better fighter at that point.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:01 am

Ginyu Force VS all the movie henchmen.

One team at a time so Ginyu Force VS Crusher Core and Ginyu Force VS Cooler's Armored Squadron, etc.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:07 am

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Ginyu Force VS all the movie henchmen.
They win, until they face the Coola's henchmen.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Wed Oct 16, 2013 1:13 pm

Yeah Neizu one shots all 5 of them.
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Post by Kaboom » Wed Oct 16, 2013 1:21 pm

Agreed. They can tackle everyone up to Coola's Armored Squad, all three of whom have a clear power advantage over Captain Ginyu and can wreck them.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Oct 16, 2013 2:40 pm

Get massacred by the weakest of Slug's henchmen.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:08 pm

Not sure if this was covered but End of Z Goten and/or Trunks VS Freeza.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Rocketman » Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:23 pm

Freeza kills them handily in base, but they stomp if they go Super.

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