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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:My theory is that Goku can activate his God Power if he wants to (to be almost as strong in base & SS, and to turn SSGod), or he doesn't activate it, keeping his normal power in base-SS3. So, Goku wanted Oob to be a challenge for his mortal state.
I guess it's like your theory with Ultimate Gohan then?
It's not really a theory, it's what we see in M13 & BoG.
But yes.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Didnt Toriyama confirm Goku keeps the form and can use it when he wants now? Could it be he just felt everyone cheer him on and it gave him a motivational boost?
KentalSSJ6 wrote:Didnt Toriyama confirm Goku keeps the form and can use it when he wants now? Could it be he just felt everyone cheer him on and it gave him a motivational boost?
In the animanga yes he did kinda. So I guess that could explain GT Goku then xD. But if Goku can use it when he want to now(As a last resort) what's the point of SSJ3? SSJ3 got a time limit(Due to stress on body) so it'll hurt Goku. SSJ2 doesn't exist no more(Goku mentioned it but of course we rarely see it now a days). So I expect to see Goku only fight in Base(SSG influenced), SSJ, and the SSG form.
Question: When Goku didn't know he reverted from SSG(But kept power) what if he randomly decided to use Kaioken?
I must say this is quite an interesting development. Not that Screwattack will change their Death Battle, but they were wrong. SSJ God is permanent.
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TheMightyOzaru wrote:I must say this is quite an interesting development. Not that Screwattack will change their Death Battle, but they were wrong. SSJ God is permanent.
To bad fanboys will be raging for a new deathbattle(I watch them for entertainment not facts to be honest. Cause honestly...sometimes they make..errors..). But yea I wonder how the series will handle this. I would love to seehow they effects future events. Kinda want to see a LEGIT last villain though...
Guys don't mention that fight. We don't need a war breaking out. I have my CODE BLUE on stand by.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
I don't think it's permanent, because afterwards Vegeta says that next time he wants to be the SSJG, and Goku says okay, implying that only one of them could do it at once.
TheMightyOzaru wrote:I must say this is quite an interesting development. Not that Screwattack will change their Death Battle, but they were wrong. SSJ God is permanent.
To bad fanboys will be raging for a new deathbattle(I watch them for entertainment not facts to be honest. Cause honestly...sometimes they make..errors..). But yea I wonder how the series will handle this. I would love to seehow they effects future events. Kinda want to see a LEGIT last villain though...
Well yeah, you can't expect there results to be perfect. I find the Death Battle between Vegeta and Shadow to be quite entertaining despite the fact Super Shadow would kill Vegeta without so much as lifting a finger.
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Polyphase Avatron wrote:I don't think it's permanent, because afterwards Vegeta says that next time he wants to be the SSJG, and Goku says okay, implying that only one of them could do it at once.
Polyphase Avatron wrote:I don't think it's permanent, because afterwards Vegeta says that next time he wants to be the SSJG, and Goku says okay, implying that only one of them could do it at once.
It has nothing to do with that!
Toriyama
Will Goku be able to transform into [Super Saiyan] God in the future?
I think you’ll understand if you watch [the movie], but Goku has already absorbed [Super Saiyan] God’s power and made it his own, so there is no need for him to transform into [Super Saiyan] God. Goku basically only thinks of fighting as a sporting match, so borrowing the power of five people isn’t fair, and he resisted doing that; however, it seems his curiosity towards the realm that lay even further beyond him won out.
TheMightyOzaru wrote:I must say this is quite an interesting development. Not that Screwattack will change their Death Battle, but they were wrong. SSJ God is permanent.
I still wouldn't change anything. Super Saiyan God Goku doesn't have any feats to put him above Superman.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Polyphase Avatron wrote:That doesn't contradict what I said, he can go into the near-SSJG SSJ state at will, but he would need other Saiyans again to go full SSJG.
But does it matter? Toriyama just said he kept the power. So he doesn;t need that skinny form.
Polyphase Avatron wrote:That doesn't contradict what I said, he can go into the near-SSJG SSJ state at will, but he would need other Saiyans again to go full SSJG.
Since we saw Goku going SSGod in the movie without borrowing energy from 5 other Saiyans, he can still go Super Saiyan God at will.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
TheMightyOzaru wrote:I must say this is quite an interesting development. Not that Screwattack will change their Death Battle, but they were wrong. SSJ God is permanent.
I still wouldn't change anything. Super Saiyan God Goku doesn't have any feats to put him above Superman.
True.
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I mean he had just come out of SSJG and was maybe able to go back into it for an instant due to retaining some of the power, like when a lightbulb burns out it sometimes flickers first for an instant.
