I'm confused. You're talking about canon to the movie. Yet Mighty pointed out that there is non canon. So why are you getting mad? Y'all both was talking about canon so what's the issue?hleV wrote: You failed to understand the obvious, that canon to the manga means happened in the manga's history (or, like I said, you were just being a dick by pretending you didn't understand). You made a statement "there's no canon" (and not very subtly, if you re-read your post) as if it somehow invalidates what I said, when in fact it has nothing to do with my point about BOG and the manga's continuity relation, it only has to do with DB canon in general (which is inexistent).
Basically you're all like "DB has no canon, everything you wrote makes no sense" believing that you're the one making sense here, and with that I have a problem.
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Just because there's one more inconsistency, which can be explained, doesn't make Battle of Gods non canon to the manga. The manga has it's fair share of inconsistencies so the argument that a few inconsistencies would thus make Battle of Gods not canon to the manga is pretty pathetic excuse. Honestly, it's quite sad people like you are willing to ignore the many plot holes the manga presents just so you can disregard something you don't like. This petty "canon" argument needs to stop 
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For now on. When canon comes up. I'm just going to say Rule 13. Rule 13 states canon isTheMightyOzaru wrote:Just because there's one more inconsistency, which can be explained, doesn't make Battle of Gods non canon to the manga. The manga has it's fair share of inconsistencies so the argument that a few inconsistencies would thus make Battle of Gods not canon to the manga is pretty pathetic excuse. Honestly, it's quite sad people like you are willing to ignore the many plot holes the manga presents just so you can disregard something you don't like. This petty "canon" argument needs to stop
13. Canon
A newer whiny phrase often used by pissy fanboys to indirectly infer that a certain storyline in a set continuity arrogantly does not exist, regardless if at all.
"I do not like that video game, Sonic Battle. Therefore, since 'I' do not like it, it is not 'canon' in the series' story! I have created a new trend! Now no one will play it anymore because IT'S NOT CANON!!" -BadCase#44755890002
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Actually, telling that the manga has its own plotholes (I don't even know what plotholes in the manga are you referring to, mind being more specific?) is a pathetic excuse to ignore BOG's plotholes. By saying that BOG may be in the manga's continuity you pretty much suggest that Goku has indeed lost the SSG power in time.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Just because there's one more inconsistency, which can be explained, doesn't make Battle of Gods non canon to the manga. The manga has it's fair share of inconsistencies so the argument that a few inconsistencies would thus make Battle of Gods not canon to the manga is pretty pathetic excuse. Honestly, it's quite sad people like you are willing to ignore the many plot holes the manga presents just so you can disregard something you don't like. This petty "canon" argument needs to stop
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How do Battle of Gods' plot holes negate the manga's? Oh yes, they don't. The mere suggestion that something should be ignored for a few plot holes, when the source has more, is bull shit. Ooooooooooooooor we could argue that Goku can choose whether or not to use his God powershleV wrote:Actually, telling that the manga has its own plotholes (I don't even know what plotholes in the manga are you referring to, mind being more specific?) is a pathetic excuse to ignore BOG's plotholes. By saying that BOG may be in the manga's continuity you pretty much suggest that Goku has indeed lost the SSG power in time.TheMightyOzaru wrote:Just because there's one more inconsistency, which can be explained, doesn't make Battle of Gods non canon to the manga. The manga has it's fair share of inconsistencies so the argument that a few inconsistencies would thus make Battle of Gods not canon to the manga is pretty pathetic excuse. Honestly, it's quite sad people like you are willing to ignore the many plot holes the manga presents just so you can disregard something you don't like. This petty "canon" argument needs to stop
. Try keeping an open mind.Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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... What? When did I ever say that BOG's plotholes negate the manga's? I honestly think you're trolling right now. Or really really bad at interpreting text.
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BoG fits fine to the manga IMO. The plot holes are not that serious, and they can also be explained without too much thinking, or ignored without altering the plot.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Might not be a real plot hole(I'm not trolling) but Goten and Trunks look a little to short. I mean they look shorter than they did in the manga or the anime.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:BoG fits fine to the manga IMO. The plot holes are not that serious, and they can also be explained without too much thinking, or ignored without altering the plot.
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Gohan's & Vegeta's height vary in the manga/anime I think. I think that the inconsistent heights is common in animation/comics.TheGmGoken wrote:Might not be a real plot hole(I'm not trolling) but Goten and Trunks look a little to short. I mean they look shorter than they did in the manga or the anime.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Oh I'd love to hear your take on how hypothetical Oob could win against SSG Goku.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:BoG fits fine to the manga IMO. The plot holes are not that serious, and they can also be explained without too much thinking, or ignored without altering the plot.
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I've already posted it multiple times. Goku can choose to activate or not his God Power, so he was planing to use only his own power against Oob. Meaning that he would use Super Saiyan 3, not his God power.hleV wrote:Oh I'd love to hear your take on how hypothetical Oob could win against SSG Goku.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:BoG fits fine to the manga IMO. The plot holes are not that serious, and they can also be explained without too much thinking, or ignored without altering the plot.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Oh, so Goku's like "Yeah, this guy may actually win the 28th TB!.. Except if I go all out, cause then he wouldn't...".DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I've already posted it multiple times. Goku can choose to activate or not his God Power, so he was planing to use only his own power against Oob. Meaning that he would use Super Saiyan 3, not his God power.hleV wrote:Oh I'd love to hear your take on how hypothetical Oob could win against SSG Goku.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:BoG fits fine to the manga IMO. The plot holes are not that serious, and they can also be explained without too much thinking, or ignored without altering the plot.
It's a terrible explanation. Not buying.
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He could also restrict his power to fight Vegeta or Gohan or Trunks or Fat Buu... So, if Goku has to restrict himself that severely for Uub to stand a chance agaisnt him (even assuming that Uub already had the full power of kid Buu at his disposal), then Uub is not any different from any of them and Goku had absolutely no real reason to be excited for his arrival like he hadn't been in years or to state all the things he said about him.DBZGTKOSDH wrote: I've already posted it multiple times. Goku can choose to activate or not his God Power, so he was planing to use only his own power against Oob. Meaning that he would use Super Saiyan 3, not his God power.
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Goku has 2 powers: his own power (Base-->SS-->SS2--SS3), the power he worked to achieve, and the God power (God Base-->God SS-->SSGod), the power he obtained through a cheap way and accidentally absorbed thanks for him being a genius. So, against Oob, he would want to use his own power to fight him, like he would prefer to use his own power against Beers.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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He would still be seriously restricting his full power so that Uub could keep up with him. If he has to do that, then its no different than fighting with Vegeta or Fat Buu or any of the others...
Not to mention that even with Kid Buu's full power available, Goku's SSJG outclasses Uub so severely that Uub would just be as a poor substitute for Goku as any of them, even though much of the point of Uub's existence was having someone with the potential to far surpass Goku and protect the earth.
Not to mention that even with Kid Buu's full power available, Goku's SSJG outclasses Uub so severely that Uub would just be as a poor substitute for Goku as any of them, even though much of the point of Uub's existence was having someone with the potential to far surpass Goku and protect the earth.
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Also, what's with Saiyans getting more powerful during the fight? I don't think that's ever happened outside BOG. Is Toriyama just that forgetful that he managed to change the near-death power-ups to during-combat power-ups? I blame him not having an editor.
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Just a few things, having read through the topic, that I thought I'd add in.
Essentially, in regard to the protagonists, Battle of Gods ranks their power in the following order:
SSG Goku > Vegeta > SSJ3 Goku > Gotenks/Gohan
Now, I find that to be awfully contentious and conflicting in regard to the manga, but as an 'official continuation' of the story, Battle of Gods has more or less tore up any pre-existing strength arguments.
Based on empirical evidence in Battle of Gods, Vegeta is stronger than Gohan and Gotenks, as he's able to put up far more of a fight against Birus than either. It's also stated a few times that Vegeta surpasses Goku, implying that as a Super Saiyan Vegeta is more powerful than Goku as a Super Saiyan 3, who also, incidentally, is able to put up much more of a contest again Birus than either Gohan or Gotenks.TheMightyOzaru wrote:No....
In response to this overall idea.... I don't like it either. It really f***s with the ending to the original manga, and it makes SSJ God really cheap.
Essentially, in regard to the protagonists, Battle of Gods ranks their power in the following order:
SSG Goku > Vegeta > SSJ3 Goku > Gotenks/Gohan
Now, I find that to be awfully contentious and conflicting in regard to the manga, but as an 'official continuation' of the story, Battle of Gods has more or less tore up any pre-existing strength arguments.
It's a popular misconception, but the GT Perfect files say otherwise. I believe, correct me if I'm rusty on this, that it's stated that Goku and Uub train together once a year.TheMightyOzaru wrote:I highly doubt GT and Battle of Gods are within the same universe actually. Goku's as strong as he is because he trained with the reincarnation of Majin Buu for 5 years.
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Goku was happy because Boo reincarnated as a good person allowing him to have a rematch against a being that he could not defeat 10 years ago.rereboy wrote:
He could also restrict his power to fight Vegeta or Gohan or Trunks or Fat Buu... So, if Goku has to restrict himself that severely for Uub to stand a chance agaisnt him (even assuming that Uub already had the full power of kid Buu at his disposal), then Uub is not any different from any of them and Goku had absolutely no real reason to be excited for his arrival like he hadn't been in years or to state all the things he said about him.
Gohan don't fight or train anymore. Goten have some train but at that time he has not chance against someone really strong. Vegeta continues his hard training but never with Goku. Even Kakarotto being much stronger, is perfectly understandable why he is so excited with Oob's arrival.
Also, I truly believe that Goku is much stronger than Oob ( who have the power of 10 years a go Pure Boo ) without SSJG powers.
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To be the protector of the Earth, not necessarily must be stronger than Goku.rereboy wrote:He would still be seriously restricting his full power so that Uub could keep up with him. If he has to do that, then its no different than fighting with Vegeta or Fat Buu or any of the others...
Not to mention that even with Kid Buu's full power available, Goku's SSJG outclasses Uub so severely that Uub would just be as a poor substitute for Goku as any of them, even though much of the point of Uub's existence was having someone with the potential to far surpass Goku and protect the earth.
Oob is " human " after all and as a human he would be the best protector that Earth may have.
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That's another GT misconception. The GT Perfect files state that Gohan continues to train and is much more powerful in GT than he is at the end of Z.MDSTSSJ wrote:Gohan don't fight or train anymore. Goten have some train but at that time he has not chance against someone really strong. Vegeta continues his hard training but never with Goku. Even Kakarotto being much stronger, is perfectly understandable why he is so excited with Oob's arrival.
It's stated that Trunks doesn't train very much, but that's largely owing to his responsibilities at the Capsule Corp.
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