Goku kept SSJ God's power.

[rereboy]

He could also restrict his power to fight Vegeta or Gohan or Trunks or Fat Buu... So, if Goku has to restrict himself that severely for Uub to stand a chance agaisnt him (even assuming that Uub already had the full power of kid Buu at his disposal), then Uub is not any different from any of them and Goku had absolutely no real reason to be excited for his arrival like he hadn't been in years or to state all the things he said about him.

Goku was happy because Boo reincarnated as a good person allowing him to have a rematch against a being that he could not defeat 10 years ago.

Gohan don't fight or train anymore. Goten have some train but at that time he has not chance against someone really strong. Vegeta continues his hard training but never with Goku. Even Kakarotto being much stronger, is perfectly understandable why he is so excited with Oob's arrival.

Also, I truly believe that Goku is much stronger than Oob ( who have the power of 10 years a go Pure Boo ) without SSJG powers.

That's not what Goku says or implies. And Uub is just as useless as an opponent as any of the others if Goku has to restrict himself severely like he would if he was facing the others. Goku has no reason to be excited for facing an opponent that he could obliterate in one blow even if said opponent was as strong as he was in his previous life. If Goku wants a good fight, he just has to decrease his power until it matches whoever he is facing, so there's no reason to be excited if he has to do the same with Uub.

He would still be seriously restricting his full power so that Uub could keep up with him. If he has to do that, then its no different than fighting with Vegeta or Fat Buu or any of the others...

Not to mention that even with Kid Buu's full power available, Goku's SSJG outclasses Uub so severely that Uub would just be as a poor substitute for Goku as any of them, even though much of the point of Uub's existence was having someone with the potential to far surpass Goku and protect the earth.

To be the protector of the Earth, not necessarily must be stronger than Goku.

Oob is " human " after all and as a human he would be the best protector that Earth may have.

If its not necessary to surpass Goku or at least be as great as him, then there's no point in Uub's existence. Any of Goku's or Vegeta's kids is many times stronger than Freeza. That's more than sufficient to be able to protect Earth against 99.999999% of everything that might threaten it, so any of them could fulfill that role.

[MDSTSSJ]

That's not what Goku says or implies. And Uub is just as useless as an opponent as any of the others if Goku has to restrict himself severely like he would if he was facing the others. Goku has no reason to be excited for facing an opponent that he could obliterate in one blow even if said opponent was as strong as he was in his previous life. If Goku wants a good fight, he just has to decrease his power until it matches whoever he is facing, so there's no reason to be excited if he has to do the same with Uub.

Why Goku asked the reincarnation of Pure Boo? To have a rematch with him, nothing more.

Any fight with a strong opponent is good for Kakarotto, even without needing to transform.

If its not necessary to surpass Goku or at least be as great as him, then there's no point in Uub's existence. Any of Goku's or Vegeta's kids is many times stronger than Freeza. That's more than sufficient to be able to protect Earth against 99.999999% of everything that might threaten it, so any of them could fulfill that role.

For me Oob has no chance to become stronger than Goku because he is a human firstly. Yes, I think Oob can be more stronger ( but not a lot ) but Goku is his teacher and training partner and also he will become way more stronger.

But none of them are interested in protecting the Earth as first choice. This is a new opportunity for Kakarotto to try to convert Oob in the next protector.

Well, essa é a minha opinião

[MDSTSSJ]

Gohan don't fight or train anymore. Goten have some train but at that time he has not chance against someone really strong. Vegeta continues his hard training but never with Goku. Even Kakarotto being much stronger, is perfectly understandable why he is so excited with Oob's arrival.

That's another GT misconception. The GT Perfect files state that Gohan continues to train and is much more powerful in GT than he is at the end of Z.

Mmm not at all! Maybe when Goku went to train with Oob, Gohan retake his training just in case.

[rereboy]

That's not what Goku says or implies. And Uub is just as useless as an opponent as any of the others if Goku has to restrict himself severely like he would if he was facing the others. Goku has no reason to be excited for facing an opponent that he could obliterate in one blow even if said opponent was as strong as he was in his previous life. If Goku wants a good fight, he just has to decrease his power until it matches whoever he is facing, so there's no reason to be excited if he has to do the same with Uub.

Why Goku asked the reincarnation of Pure Boo? To have a rematch with him, nothing more.

Any fight with a strong opponent is good for Kakarotto, even without needing to transform.

Because at the time Kid Buu was stronger than him or around the same level. Goku did basically the same with Vegeta and Piccolo when he fought them (showed interest in fighting them again) and yet, after their fights, Goku never again showed much interest in a rematch. You know why? Because Goku became stronger than them. He surpassed them. Therefore, he lost interest. And you say that Uub, someone that SSJG Goku could crush like a bug even if he had all of Kid Buu's power, interests him as an opponent? I disagree.

For me Oob has no chance to become stronger than Goku because he is a human firstly. Yes, I think Oob can be more stronger ( but not a lot ) but Goku is his teacher and training partner and also he will become way more stronger.

But none of them are interested in protecting the Earth as first choice. This is a new opportunity for Kakarotto to try to convert Oob in the next protector.

Well, essa é a minha opinião

They might not be as interested as Goku in training, but they are definitely interested in protecting Earth if there's a threat.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Just a few things, having read through the topic, that I thought I'd add in.

No... .

In response to this overall idea.... I don't like it either. It really f***s with the ending to the original manga, and it makes SSJ God really cheap.

Based on empirical evidence in Battle of Gods, Vegeta is stronger than Gohan and Gotenks, as he's able to put up far more of a fight against Birus than either. It's also stated a few times that Vegeta surpasses Goku, implying that as a Super Saiyan Vegeta is more powerful than Goku as a Super Saiyan 3, who also, incidentally, is able to put up much more of a contest again Birus than either Gohan or Gotenks.

Essentially, in regard to the protagonists, Battle of Gods ranks their power in the following order:

SSG Goku > Vegeta > SSJ3 Goku > Gotenks/Gohan

Vegeta surprised Beers and Gohan was drunk, he's not stronger than Gohan. The official Battle of Gods website even says Gohan is the strongest of the Saiyans.
It's more like this if you ask me:
SSJGod Goku > Ultimate Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks > Enraged Vegeta > SSJ3 Goku

He would still be seriously restricting his full power so that Uub could keep up with him. If he has to do that, then its no different than fighting with Vegeta or Fat Buu or any of the others...

SSJ God's power isn't really Goku's now is it? Sure he successfully got the power under his control, but it's still not exactly his. I'm sure he'd want to use his own power against Uub, thus leaving him excited like he was at the end of the manga. You also have to remember that Uub is meant to take Goku's place. His character isn't pointless from that perspective.

[Blade]

Vegeta surprised Beers and Gohan was drunk, he's not stronger than Gohan. The official Battle of Gods website even says Gohan is the strongest of the Saiyans.
It's more like this if you ask me:
SSJGod Goku > Ultimate Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks > Enraged Vegeta > SSJ3 Goku

I believe the character summaries on the Battle of God's website refer to the state of the characters before the events of the movie, not after.

If we're going by the Super Exciting Guidebook multipliers then for Vegeta as a Super Saiyan to be more powerful than Goku as a Super Saiyan 3 we're talking an immense power increase, so much so that Goku, without Super Saiyan God, is likely but an ant in comparison to Vegeta in base power.

If Goku's base power is 1 his Super Saiyan 3 power would be 400, so therefore for Vegeta to equal Goku as a Super Saiyan he would need a base power of 8 (with Super Saiyan providing a 50x power increase). To surpass Goku this figure would need to be higher still.

Think about it, Battle of Gods therefore renders Vegeta at least 8 times more powerful than Goku. I don't think it requires much imagination under such already lurid pretenses for one to assume Vegeta has also surpassed Gohan. There's also the fact that Birus took Gohan out in seconds, whereas Vegeta was able to at least must some form of prolonged resistance, alleged inebriation or not, he doesn't appear to be under the influence at the moment of conflict.

[TheMightyOzaru]

It states Gohan has the highest potential of any Saiyan. He's the strongest non-God character in this film.

[rereboy]

SSJ God's power isn't really Goku's now is it? Sure he successfully got the power under his control, but it's still not exactly his. I'm sure he'd want to use his own power against Uub, thus leaving him excited like he was at the end of the manga. You also have to remember that Uub is meant to take Goku's place. His character isn't pointless from that perspective.

Goku just didn't like the way he obtained the power. He thought it was cheap. And it was. But it is his power and he never states otherwise or implies that he won't use it.

[Blade]

It states Gohan has the highest potential of any Saiyan. He's the strongest non-God character in this film.

That's a brief character description included in promotional material for the film that doesn't factor in the plot. Besides, potential and power are too dramatically different things. Tell me, when has Gohan's character synopsis ever been any different since the Cell arc? It's a repeated plot-line.

The film's plot is pretty conclusive on the matter. In a post-Battle of Gods fandom, in regard to strength comparison arguments, Vegeta has to be considered stronger than any known character apart from God Goku, Birus and Whiis.

[MDSTSSJ]

The film's plot is pretty conclusive on the matter. In a post-Battle of Gods fandom, in regard to strength comparison arguments, Vegeta has to be considered stronger than any known character apart from God Goku, Birus and Whiis.

Mmm

Goku stated that Vegeta needs an external encouragement to become a very powerful Saiyan ( jokes aside ). Besides, enraged SSJ2 Vegeta stronger than a SSJ3 Kakarotto or Ultimate Gohan is somewhat ( completely ) incoherent, dificult to understand. Yes, Vegeta deserves to be more powerful, but more powerful without transformation is nonsense.

[Blade]

The film's plot is pretty conclusive on the matter. In a post-Battle of Gods fandom, in regard to strength comparison arguments, Vegeta has to be considered stronger than any known character apart from God Goku, Birus and Whiis.

Mmm

Goku stated that Vegeta needs an external encouragement to become a very powerful Saiyan ( jokes aside ). Besides, enraged SSJ2 Vegeta stronger than a SSJ3 Kakarotto or Ultimate Gohan is somewhat ( completely ) incoherent, dificult to understand. Yes, Vegeta deserves to be more powerful, but more powerful without transformation is nonsense.

Incoherent with the manga, yes. But it's in Battle of Gods.

[MDSTSSJ]

Incoherent with the manga, yes. But it's in Battle of Gods.

Then we could say that Vegeta found a way to be more powerful without transforming? LSSJ Broly style?? I know, this is DB but that's crazy!

[Blade]

Incoherent with the manga, yes. But it's in Battle of Gods.

Then we could say that Vegeta found a way to be more powerful without transforming? LSSJ Broly style?? I know, this is DB but that's crazy!

I agree - but I'm really not making it up! It's in Battle of Gods!

[Rocketman]

Still waiting to hear the supposed "good parts" of BoG.

[TheGmGoken]

Still waiting to hear the supposed "good parts" of BoG.

So am I. Though I do wonder what's the point of Goku keeping SSG's power and does he have God ki or not.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Something weird about that, in the final chapter when Goku is talking about there being a strong fighter (Uub) at the tournament, Vegeta asked if he was an android, when Goku says no Vegeta is confused because if he was that strong and not an android he would be able to sense him. Yet he didn't consider the possibility that it was a god who also can't be sensed?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

He would still be seriously restricting his full power so that Uub could keep up with him. If he has to do that, then its no different than fighting with Vegeta or Fat Buu or any of the others...

If Goku wants a good fight, he just has to decrease his power until it matches whoever he is facing, so there's no reason to be excited if he has to do the same with Uub.

Goku won't fight in a suppressed level, he would fight all out in an inferior form. He would go all out in his Super Saiyan 3 form, like he went all out against Vegeta in his Super Saiyan 2 for & had an awesome battle. What Goku wanted from his fight with Oob was this:

Goku fought with Pure Boo as a Super Saiyan 3, and he lost. He wished for Boo to be reborn as a good guy because he wanted to train, so that after years they can have a rematch, so that Goku will be able to beat him with his own power this time. After 10 years, Goku trained hard, and managed to obtain the power of Super Saiyan God. However, this power didn't come from his training, it came by borrowing the power of 5 other guys, which is cheap. So, Goku wouldn't want to use that power because it's not how he was dreaming his fight with Oob, and plus, Oob was a new challenge & a new opponent. So, what Goku wanted is that he can prove to himself that through his own efforts, he can eventually surpass Boo, and at the same time, enjoy an cool fight with a new opponent. Super Saiyan God didn't come from Goku's efforts, so using it against Oob would be meaningless.

Also, what's with Saiyans getting more powerful during the fight? I don't think that's ever happened outside BOG. Is Toriyama just that forgetful that he managed to change the near-death power-ups to during-combat power-ups? I blame him not having an editor.

I don't think what he means is that the Saiyans get stronger during the fight. It is worded strangely, but let's compare what Toriyama says with what Vegeta says:

Only, Saiyans rapidly increase in strength as they fight against strong opponents, so the longer they fought, the more that gap would shrink, and it might even be possible for them to eventually turn the tables.

We Saiyans grow stronger each time we fight…! The stronger the opponent, the stronger we become…So I’m becoming stronger too…! I almost died on Earth, and have now vastly powered up…!

Maybe what Toriyama wants to say is that the more Saiyans fight, the more injured & stronger they get. But yeah, it is weirdly worded.

Also, I truly believe that Goku is much stronger than Oob ( who have the power of 10 years a go Pure Boo ) without SSJG powers.

Yet Goku disagrees with you...

I believe the character summaries on the Battle of God's website refer to the state of the characters before the events of the movie, not after.

The promotional stuff is talking about the characters as they are during the start of the movie. So, Gohan is stronger than Goku & Vegeta, and it's safe to assume the same about Gotenks. Besides, let's look at the fight:

Gohan rushed in the way of Beers who was about to take care of Boo, Beers responds by beating him with 2 blows. SS(2?) Vegeta rushes, Beers lets him fight for a while to see his strength, and beats him after he doesn't see anything special in Vegeta other than his good fighting sense. Gotenks fucks around as a Super Saiyan & annoys Beers, Beers beats him. Vegeta gets angry, amplifies his power by using all of his power at once, and gets stronger than Beers expected him to, catching him off-guard. Beers allows Vegeta to keep hitting him, hoping that he would power-up into Super Saiyan God. However, Vegeta's rage boost drains all of his power, disappointing Beers.

All these above are literally what we see & what is stated in the movie, not opinions. Beers is also a guy stronger than Super Vegetto, and he didn't even use his full power against Vegeta & co. So, we can't have any conclusion about how SS3 Goku, SS2 Vegeta, U. Gohan, and SS3 Gotenks compare in BoG, other than what we already have in the manga & BoG's direct statements. Which is this:

Beers >>>>>>>>> U. Gohan > SS3 Gotenks > SS Gotenks > Enraged SS2 Vegeta > SS3 Goku > SS2 Vegeta

If we're going by the Super Exciting Guidebook multipliers then for Vegeta as a Super Saiyan to be more powerful than Goku as a Super Saiyan 3 we're talking an immense power increase

Well, Vegeta is most likely a Super Saiyan 2 going by logic & DB Heroes: Victory Mission, so an over x4 boost works fine. Vegeta's rage boost works like a powerful technique (amplifies the power by draining ki), and we've seen techniques amplifying the user's power over 3 times.

Still waiting to hear the supposed "good parts" of BoG.

It was funny (though the funny scenes get boring after watching once), it had cool beat-downs, it had a cool final fight, it had a cool villain, it had cool animation & music, and it was enjoyable in general. I had fun watching it. I would rate the movie 8/10.

[kuartus4]

He would still be seriously restricting his full power so that Uub could keep up with him. If he has to do that, then its no different than fighting with Vegeta or Fat Buu or any of the others...

If Goku wants a good fight, he just has to decrease his power until it matches whoever he is facing, so there's no reason to be excited if he has to do the same with Uub.

Goku won't fight in a suppressed level, he would fight all out in an inferior form. He would go all out in his Super Saiyan 3 form, like he went all out against Vegeta in his Super Saiyan 2 for & had an awesome battle. What Goku wanted from his fight with Oob was this:

Goku fought with Pure Boo as a Super Saiyan 3, and he lost. He wished for Boo to be reborn as a good guy because he wanted to train, so that after years they can have a rematch, so that Goku will be able to beat him with his own power this time. After 10 years, Goku trained hard, and managed to obtain the power of Super Saiyan God. However, this power didn't come from his training, it came by borrowing the power of 5 other guys, which is cheap. So, Goku wouldn't want to use that power because it's not how he was dreaming his fight with Oob, and plus, Oob was a new challenge & a new opponent. So, what Goku wanted is that he can prove to himself that through his own efforts, he can eventually surpass Boo, and at the same time, enjoy an cool fight with a new opponent. Super Saiyan God didn't come from Goku's efforts, so using it against Oob would be meaningless.

Also, what's with Saiyans getting more powerful during the fight? I don't think that's ever happened outside BOG. Is Toriyama just that forgetful that he managed to change the near-death power-ups to during-combat power-ups? I blame him not having an editor.

I don't think what he means is that the Saiyans get stronger during the fight. It is worded strangely, but let's compare what Toriyama says with what Vegeta says:

Only, Saiyans rapidly increase in strength as they fight against strong opponents, so the longer they fought, the more that gap would shrink, and it might even be possible for them to eventually turn the tables.

We Saiyans grow stronger each time we fight…! The stronger the opponent, the stronger we become…So I’m becoming stronger too…! I almost died on Earth, and have now vastly powered up…!

Maybe what Toriyama wants to say is that the more Saiyans fight, the more injured & stronger they get. But yeah, it is weirdly worded.

Also, I truly believe that Goku is much stronger than Oob ( who have the power of 10 years a go Pure Boo ) without SSJG powers.

Yet Goku disagrees with you...

I believe the character summaries on the Battle of God's website refer to the state of the characters before the events of the movie, not after.

The promotional stuff is talking about the characters as they are during the start of the movie. So, Gohan is stronger than Goku & Vegeta, and it's safe to assume the same about Gotenks. Besides, let's look at the fight:

Gohan rushed in the way of Beers who was about to take care of Boo, Beers responds by beating him with 2 blows. SS(2?) Vegeta rushes, Beers lets him fight for a while to see his strength, and beats him after he doesn't see anything special in Vegeta other than his good fighting sense. Gotenks fucks around as a Super Saiyan & annoys Beers, Beers beats him. Vegeta gets angry, amplifies his power by using all of his power at once, and gets stronger than Beers expected him to, catching him off-guard. Beers allows Vegeta to keep hitting him, hoping that he would power-up into Super Saiyan God. However, Vegeta's rage boost drains all of his power, disappointing Beers.

All these above are literally what we see & what is stated in the movie, not opinions. Beers is also a guy stronger than Super Vegetto, and he didn't even use his full power against Vegeta & co. So, we can't have any conclusion about how SS3 Goku, SS2 Vegeta, U. Gohan, and SS3 Gotenks compare in BoG, other than what we already have in the manga & BoG's direct statements. Which is this:

Beers >>>>>>>>> U. Gohan > SS3 Gotenks > SS Gotenks > Enraged SS2 Vegeta > SS3 Goku > SS2 Vegeta

If we're going by the Super Exciting Guidebook multipliers then for Vegeta as a Super Saiyan to be more powerful than Goku as a Super Saiyan 3 we're talking an immense power increase

Well, Vegeta is most likely a Super Saiyan 2 going by logic & DB Heroes: Victory Mission, so an over x4 boost works fine. Vegeta's rage boost works like a powerful technique (amplifies the power by draining ki), and we've seen techniques amplifying the user's power over 3 times.

Still waiting to hear the supposed "good parts" of BoG.

It was funny (though the funny scenes get boring after watching once), it had cool beat-downs, it had a cool final fight, it had a cool villain, it had cool animation & music, and it was enjoyable in general. I had fun watching it. I would rate the movie 8/10.

Didn't Goku match uub in base, when uub was as strong as kid buu? Meaning Goku really was much, much stronger than uub,considering his ssj transformations, apart from any ssj god power.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Goku was fighting on par with an Uub who didn't know how to use his powers.

It states Gohan has the highest potential of any Saiyan. He's the strongest non-God character in this film.

That's a brief character description included in promotional material for the film that doesn't factor in the plot. Besides, potential and power are too dramatically different things. Tell me, when has Gohan's character synopsis ever been any different since the Cell arc? It's a repeated plot-line.

The film's plot is pretty conclusive on the matter. In a post-Battle of Gods fandom, in regard to strength comparison arguments, Vegeta has to be considered stronger than any known character apart from God Goku, Birus and Whiis.

Umm, yes... yes it does factor into the plot. Gohan's potential is greater than any Saiyans. Hidden potential and hidden power are interchangeable. No distinction is ever made between the 2. Vegeta CANNOT surpass Gohan as of this point. To say that he could defies guide books and the official site itself. Vegeta's ability to knock Beers around for a few seconds was a result of Beers being caught off guard, and Beers letting Vegeta hit him to see whether he turned into a SSJ God. Gohan was also intoxicated. Whether you want to believe that factors in is entirely up to you, but the fact is Gohan is the strongest character that isn't a God in this movie.

[TheGmGoken]

Didn't Goku match uub in base, when uub was as strong as kid buu? Meaning Goku really was much, much stronger than uub,considering his ssj transformations, apart from any ssj god power.

Goku didn't really match Oob power but matched Oob's fighting skill. Had Oob had full control over his power then Goku would have been fucked. Just take as if Gohan had full control over his rage vs Nappa