Dragon Ball Z "Seasons" On Blu-ray: News & Discussion

[samuraix123]

I just got through reading all the negative comments on amazon about this new release and all I can say is ''Wow'' people sure do go through a lot of trouble to bash something to death on the internet don't they? I mean, I hate the fact that it's cropped 16x9 but I don't remember seeing everyone in such a pickle about the Japanese DVDs/Blu-rays of Kai being cropped? The way I look at it, this is what a-lot of the fans voted for and it's exactly what Funimation is going to deliver. I won't put the blame on them for releasing something that the majority of fans wanted. But I was hoping at the time the Dragonball Dragon-boxes was going to be the winner but...

[sangofe]

If that survey is any indication, FUNi are just releasing what the majority of the fanbase wants...so if these do poorly, they probably would be more hesitant to take fan input later on.

Which one?

So, where has the results from the survey been posted?

[Kojiro Sasaki]

I just got through reading all the negative comments on amazon about this new release and all I can say is ''Wow'' people sure do go through a lot of trouble to bash something to death on the internet don't they? I mean, I hate the fact that it's cropped 16x9 but I don't remember seeing everyone in such a pickle about the Japanese DVDs/Blu-rays of Kai being cropped? The way I look at it, this is what a-lot of the fans voted for and it's exactly what Funimation is going to deliver. I won't put the blame on them for releasing something that the majority of fans wanted. But I was hoping at the time the Dragonball Dragon-boxes was going to be the winner but...

1. What you mean by "a lot of trouble"?
2. Many people do not believe that the fans wanted 16:9 - they have right to think so. Cropping is just one issue. Everything else is another.

Are you forbidding people to express their opinions? Are you forbidding them to have knowledge and use it? This is not bashing. This is just analyzing the facts.

[superrayman3]

I just got through reading all the negative comments on amazon about this new release and all I can say is ''Wow'' people sure do go through a lot of trouble to bash something to death on the internet don't they? I mean, I hate the fact that it's cropped 16x9 but I don't remember seeing everyone in such a pickle about the Japanese DVDs/Blu-rays of Kai being cropped? The way I look at it, this is what a-lot of the fans voted for and it's exactly what Funimation is going to deliver. I won't put the blame on them for releasing something that the majority of fans wanted. But I was hoping at the time the Dragonball Dragon-boxes was going to be the winner but...

The thing about Kai when it comes to cropping is the fact that it was Toei that was doing the cropping instead of a licensing company like FUNimation, that coupled with the fact that Kai was intended to be its own product to begin with, it would make sense that fans wouldn't be complaining about the Japanese Kai DVD/Blu-rays.

[samuraix123]

I just got through reading all the negative comments on amazon about this new release and all I can say is ''Wow'' people sure do go through a lot of trouble to bash something to death on the internet don't they? I mean, I hate the fact that it's cropped 16x9 but I don't remember seeing everyone in such a pickle about the Japanese DVDs/Blu-rays of Kai being cropped? The way I look at it, this is what a-lot of the fans voted for and it's exactly what Funimation is going to deliver. I won't put the blame on them for releasing something that the majority of fans wanted. But I was hoping at the time the Dragonball Dragon-boxes was going to be the winner but...

1. What you mean by "a lot of trouble"?
2. Many people do not believe that the fans wanted 16:9 - they have right to think so. Cropping is just one issue. Everything else is another.

Are you forbidding people to express their opinions? Are you forbidding them to have knowledge and use it? This is not bashing. This is just analyzing the facts.

I mean that they are wasting their time with the spamming of ''Funimation ruins dbz yet again!'' comments.
I honestly wish as much as people bash Funimation they'd stop releasing Dragonball products. Why release something when you know you're just going to be hated for releasing it? and why wouldn't people here believe fans didn't want the 16x9 Blu-ray release? the orange bricks are and still are selling awesome so would the blu-rays be different? we here at kanzenshuu are a very small minority of the fanbase. Just go to Youtube and other sites where the fans praise the US broadcast score and dub or heck even outside of the internet and talk with someone about the series and watch them go ''It's over 9000!'' while a-lot here look down on it.
But why wasn't the Japanese release of Kai's 16x9 cropping slammed? do we now give it a pass? Believe me, I hate cropping of any kind just as much as everyone here but I just don't see the point in people going ape on the comments section of amazon. this release just simply isn't marketed to us unfortunately.

Edit - so superrayman3 it's okay for a company like Toei to ruin a show by cropping and changing the original aspect on it(When Funimation released the correct 4x3 version) but if Funimation does it, it's bad? and how does it make sense that fans wouldn't complain about Toei not cropping the show? I'm not defending this release I'm just saying that I find it very sad the way people go about the complaining.

[Big Momma]

If that survey is any indication, FUNi are just releasing what the majority of the fanbase wants...so if these do poorly, they probably would be more hesitant to take fan input later on.

Which one?

So, where has the results from the survey been posted?

I don't think they were ever posted.

[samuraix123]

I think my main point that I'm trying to make is, All this hate that's being directed at Funimation for this release shouldn't exist. if anything the hate should be at the fans that wanted something cropped and oversaturated and stretched to fit their TVs. As far as I'm concerned, Funimation has went above and beyond getting us our favorite series in every which way shape and form. is it oversaturating the market? kinda. but do we all continue to support it? Yup!

[Kojiro Sasaki]

I mean that they are wasting their time with the spamming of ''Funimation ruins dbz yet again!'' comments.
I honestly wish as much as people bash Funimation they'd stop releasing Dragonball products. Why release something when you know you're just going to be hated for releasing it? and why wouldn't people here believe fans didn't want the 16x9 Blu-ray release? the orange bricks are and still are selling awesome so would the blu-rays be different? we here at kanzenshuu are a very small minority of the fanbase. Just go to Youtube and other sites where the fans praise the US broadcast score and dub or heck even outside of the internet and talk with someone about the series and watch them go ''It's over 9000!'' while a-lot here look down on it.
But why wasn't the Japanese release of Kai's 16x9 cropping slammed? do we now give it a pass? Believe me, I hate cropping of any kind just as much as everyone here but I just don't see the point in people going ape on the comments section of amazon. this release just simply isn't marketed to us unfortunately.

Maybe they aren't considering this time as wasted FUNimation is not "hated"* for releasing Dragon Ball. This release is "hated"* for being crappy (I guess). Some people believe that garbage should be called garbage (including me). I don't understand why you have problem with that We are salves of mass market. Speaking our opinion is the only thing that's left for us.

Kai was also released in 4:3. If OAR version is available, they can make 10 other releases in 1.85:1 and 2.39:1 and it will be no problem for me.

* - before you will call them haters, make sure that their opinions aren't based on facts.

[superrayman3]

Edit - so superrayman3 it's okay for a company like Toei to ruin a show by cropping and changing the original aspect on it(When Funimation released the correct 4x3 version) but if Funimation does it, it's bad? and how does it make sense that fans wouldn't complain about Toei not cropping the show? I'm not defending this release I'm just saying that I find it very sad the way people go about the complaining.

When the company that produced the original DB/Z/GT anime's to begin with (in this case Toei) are the ones doing something like cropping, then it's more acceptable than it is when a licensing and distribution company like FUNimation does cropping, also you have to keep in mind that Kai was meant to be in HD so Toei did the logical thing and modified the series to conform to HD standards and at least they gave fans a 4:3 version of Kai as well as a 16:9 option, if I had to choose between Toei cropping the series and FUNimation cropping the series I'd choose Toei since they're the ones that animated the series and have every right to modify the footage however they want.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I mean that they are wasting their time with the spamming of ''Funimation ruins dbz yet again!'' comments.
I honestly wish as much as people bash Funimation they'd stop releasing Dragonball products. Why release something when you know you're just going to be hated for releasing it? and why wouldn't people here believe fans didn't want the 16x9 Blu-ray release? the orange bricks are and still are selling awesome so would the blu-rays be different? we here at kanzenshuu are a very small minority of the fanbase. Just go to Youtube and other sites where the fans praise the US broadcast score and dub or heck even outside of the internet and talk with someone about the series and watch them go ''It's over 9000!'' while a-lot here look down on it.
But why wasn't the Japanese release of Kai's 16x9 cropping slammed? do we now give it a pass? Believe me, I hate cropping of any kind just as much as everyone here but I just don't see the point in people going ape on the comments section of amazon. this release just simply isn't marketed to us unfortunately.

Edit - so superrayman3 it's okay for a company like Toei to ruin a show by cropping and changing the original aspect on it(When Funimation released the correct 4x3 version) but if Funimation does it, it's bad? and how does it make sense that fans wouldn't complain about Toei not cropping the show? I'm not defending this release I'm just saying that I find it very sad the way people go about the complaining.

I completely agree. I mean, At least Funimation are trying to release DBZ in BR.

[Kojiro Sasaki]

I mean, At least Funimation are trying to release DBZ in BR.

What is the value of BD when its quality is way below DVD?

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I mean, At least Funimation are trying to release DBZ in BR.

What is the value of BD when its quality is way below DVD?

Well that's just down to opinion. I think they look great.

[samuraix123]

One thing I'm going to do before I even buy the first season is wait until someone is willing to risk buying it and reviewing it. I know this time(Unlike when I bought the orange bricks) that these will be cropped and the colors brightened up. but I want to know if it will be as bad as the orange bricks. because seeing that Bulma picture so bleached out is just sick! and If the lines of animation disappear like they do in the orange bricks than I will probably pass. but this set can't be worse can it?

[Kojiro Sasaki]

Well that's just down to opinion.

I'm afraid that this is technical fact.

I think they look great.

Would you be happy with them if you would think that they look like a piece of crap?

[B]

I mean that they are wasting their time with the spamming of ''Funimation ruins dbz yet again!'' comments.
I honestly wish as much as people bash Funimation they'd stop releasing Dragonball products. Why release something when you know you're just going to be hated for releasing it? and why wouldn't people here believe fans didn't want the 16x9 Blu-ray release? the orange bricks are and still are selling awesome so would the blu-rays be different? we here at kanzenshuu are a very small minority of the fanbase. Just go to Youtube and other sites where the fans praise the US broadcast score and dub or heck even outside of the internet and talk with someone about the series and watch them go ''It's over 9000!'' while a-lot here look down on it.
But why wasn't the Japanese release of Kai's 16x9 cropping slammed? do we now give it a pass? Believe me, I hate cropping of any kind just as much as everyone here but I just don't see the point in people going ape on the comments section of amazon. this release just simply isn't marketed to us unfortunately.

Edit - so superrayman3 it's okay for a company like Toei to ruin a show by cropping and changing the original aspect on it(When Funimation released the correct 4x3 version) but if Funimation does it, it's bad? and how does it make sense that fans wouldn't complain about Toei not cropping the show? I'm not defending this release I'm just saying that I find it very sad the way people go about the complaining.

Kai was slammed for being 16:9. Not that it even matters because one has actual animators cleaning up and reframing the picture and the other is just jettisoning 20% of the footage and blowing it up to a bigger size.

I don't see any value in being an apologist to a company or corporation. If they want my money, they had better do their jobs correctly. FUNimation's orange brick trailers heavily promoted the widescreen and remastering process, and naturally the people who don't know any better ate it up and defend it. If you repeat something enough times it starts to sound true. The untouched footage from these DVD sets thrown in a cheap box would've sold the same as Orange Brick Season 1.

[KingofWisdom]

The fans aren't to blame. FUNimation should not be taking advice from ignorant people on how to present DBZ. We can't even say with any certainty, though, that this is what fans want. For one thing, we don't know the results of the poll, so we don't know if widescreen was the more popular choice. However, if it was, there's a difference between wanting widescreen and wanting DVNR overuse along with oversaturated colors. If the Level remastering isn't viable, that doesn't mean they need to do the second version of orange bricks. As Mike and the gang said on the podcast years ago, FUNimation forces their widescreen faux-remaster down your throat by making it the only way to buy the series. At least with Toei's Kai release, they had just released Dragon Boxes prior to its debut. They never tried to make the original fullscreen Z anime unavailable. There was also care and attention put into the Kai cropping so that the least important visuals would be lopped off. We've yet to see such a thing from FUNimation. People are being negative to try and dissuade consumers from buying this so that the people at FUNimation can get it through their thick heads that this isn't acceptable. Maybe it's an exercise in futility, but it's the only thing that helps us to not feel completely powerless.

so superrayman3 it's okay for a company like Toei to ruin a show by cropping and changing the original aspect on it

This isn't even about the cropping at this point. Sure, cropping is bad, but the remastering on these new Blu-Rays is terrible.

(When Funimation released the correct 4x3 version) but if Funimation does it, it's bad?

FUNimation put out the Dragon Boxes when the market was oversaturated in DB releases and they never explicitly stated that the sets would be limited edition items. I won't give them any pats on the back for that.

I honestly wish as much as people bash Funimation they'd stop releasing Dragonball products.

I wish they'd stop rereleasing the TV series too if these pitiful attempts are the best they can afford.

[Metalwario64]

I just got through reading all the negative comments on amazon about this new release and all I can say is ''Wow'' people sure do go through a lot of trouble to bash something to death on the internet don't they? I mean, I hate the fact that it's cropped 16x9 but I don't remember seeing everyone in such a pickle about the Japanese DVDs/Blu-rays of Kai being cropped? The way I look at it, this is what a-lot of the fans voted for and it's exactly what Funimation is going to deliver. I won't put the blame on them for releasing something that the majority of fans wanted. But I was hoping at the time the Dragonball Dragon-boxes was going to be the winner but...

Only the Japanese DVDs were cropped. Toei offered a 4x3 option with the Blu-rays. So... not the same thing at all.

[Gaffer Tape]

It's not the same at all. Not because one is Japanese and one is English. Not because one is the company that made DBZ and the other is just a foreign distributor. It's not the same because Dragon Ball Kai is a totally separate product. It's NOT Dragon Ball Z. It never was. It never will be. It's not trying to be. No one's slapping a DBZ label on Dragon Ball Kai DVDs hoping people won't be able to tell the difference. Since Dragon Ball Kai was a new, standalone product, they could do whatever the hell they wanted with it, and it doesn't affect DBZ in any way, shape, or form.

And even though, in that case, I would have been perfectly fine if they'd 16:9'd it across the board, there was at least *something* of a simultaneous alternative option for those who disagree.

But this is Dragon Ball Z. And they're ruining it. So, yeah... negative reviews.

[doomydoomydoom]

I think the point he's trying to make with the "bashing reviews" is because of crap like this:

1.0 out of 5 stars Only Nostalgia-Tards Would Buy This, November 12, 2013
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This review is from: Dragon Ball Z: Season 1 [Blu-ray] (Blu-ray)
DBZ is dead, people.
Stop buying the same episodes over and over again.
I have my orange bricks, and I'm very happy with them and so are many other fans.
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I mean, REALLY? REALLY? There's just no excuse for that kind of crap, if you don't even have a problem with the Orange Bricks then why are you complaining about this? And furthermore, DBZ is dead? Any other release is only for "nostalgia-tards?" I just...ugh.

As for the comparisons to Kai, Gaffer said it all.

[Black_Anime_Fan]

I think the point he's trying to make with the "bashing reviews" is because of crap like this:

1.0 out of 5 stars Only Nostalgia-Tards Would Buy This, November 12, 2013
By
Manga King - See all my reviews
This review is from: Dragon Ball Z: Season 1 [Blu-ray] (Blu-ray)
DBZ is dead, people.
Stop buying the same episodes over and over again.
I have my orange bricks, and I'm very happy with them and so are many other fans.
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I mean, REALLY? REALLY? There's just no excuse for that kind of crap, if you don't even have a problem with the Orange Bricks then why are you complaining about this? And furthermore, DBZ is dead? Any other release is only for "nostalgia-tards?" I just...ugh.

As for the comparisons to Kai, Gaffer said it all.

Lol. *Bashes Blu-Rays, happy with Orange Bricks*, blasphemy. Although, I think he's just trying to be a part of the vocal crowd + justify his purchase.