Nappa's power level

[TheMightyOzaru]

I don't see the issue with Raditz being surprised with their power rising. It's not like he is astonished like he was when Goku fired the Kamehameha.

Besides, unlike Nappa & Vegeta, Raditz didn't show any signs of changing his power. Maybe even he couldn't change his power at all.

Why should they be surprised if its a normal thing instead of a abnormal things? You are basically arguing that everyone in the universe can do it, not just some fighters like the Earthlings and the Namekians...

Increasing one's base power and attack amplification are 2 different things. I think anyone can amplify their BP with a strong attack.

They why are they surprised when they see the Earthlings' readings vary? Goku's kamehameha agaisnt Radditz wouldn't look or read any different than any special attack done by the saiyans.

Yes it would. Goku's Kamehameha increased Goku's power by 120%. Vegeta's Gyarikku Ho doesn't even come close to that range if it does amplify his power.

[Darkprince410]

Vegeta and Nappa also can't feel ki and yet when Goku used Kaioken on Nappa, Vegeta noticed that his power got doubled

He didn't say anything about it doubling though, he just commented that for an instant, his speed and strength rapidly increased. He was surprised by Goku's ability to go from being unable to catch up with Nappa (as he was barreling down towards Gohan and Kuririn) and going blow for blow with him earlier to suddenly being able to quickly overtake him and dispatching him in an instant with no drawn out power up beforehand.

Why should they be surprised if its a normal thing instead of a abnormal things? You are basically arguing that everyone in the universe can do it, not just some fighters like the Earthlings and the Namekians...

No, what I'm saying is that there are people that can't change their BP at all (like Raditz), people that can change their BP, but not drastically (like Vegeta & Nappa), and people that can freely change their BP (like the Z-Senshi).

And I feel there are ones that can't at all (Raditz), ones that can increase their power but can't suppress it past a certain point, and are therefore surprised by people that can (Nappa and Vegeta), and ones that can not only power up, but also able to suppress their strength to keep even their relaxed battle power hidden (Z Senshi)

[rereboy]

Why should they be surprised if its a normal thing instead of a abnormal things? You are basically arguing that everyone in the universe can do it, not just some fighters like the Earthlings and the Namekians...

No, what I'm saying is that there are people that can't change their BP at all (like Raditz), people that can change their BP, but not drastically (like Vegeta & Nappa), and people that can freely change their BP (like the Z-Senshi).

Radditz doesn't have to be able to do it himself. If Vegeta and Nappa could do it, it wouldn't be strange or abnormal at all for him since he fights alongside them. He would be surprised that Goku could also do it but he wouldn't act like it was something that he had never seen. He literally states that "somehow... he can focus his energy into a single point". He doesn't state that he is surprised that Goku can do something that Vegeta and Nappa can do to an even higher degree, he is genuinely surprised and confused by what he is seeing, like he has never seen it before.

Also, Vegeta, when he reaches Earth and finds the earthings, even before they start to fight, and only knowing what happened in the fight with Radditz, he tells Nappa to remove his scouter since they can alter their power so the scouters are useless.

Yes it would. Goku's Kamehameha increased Goku's power by 120%. Vegeta's Gyarikku Ho doesn't even come close to that range if it does amplify his power.

Same answer. Quantity in never mentioned and Radditz never refers to it as something that he knew about or that the Saiyans could do at all. That view doesn't make sense when we consider how they act and react to the Earthlings.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Chapter: 201 (DBZ 7), P6.2-3
Context: said as Goku charges up the Kamehameha.
Raditz: “Impossible!!! His battle power is rising!!! Battle power 924...!!!”
Raditz: “He…He can raise his battle power by concentrating it into a single point!!!”

He doesn't act like he hasn't seen it, he is surprised that Goku has such an ability that even he doesn't have (from what we've seen at least), which is a rare ability.

Also, why are you using the Viz translation when we have the Strength Checker?

[Kaboom]

Maybe the fact that Raditz actually understands what Goku is doing would suggest he's at least heard of the ability.

[rereboy]

Chapter: 201 (DBZ 7), P6.2-3
Context: said as Goku charges up the Kamehameha.
Raditz: “Impossible!!! His battle power is rising!!! Battle power 924...!!!”
Raditz: “He…He can raise his battle power by concentrating it into a single point!!!”

He doesn't act like he hasn't seen it, he is surprised that Goku has such an ability that even he doesn't have (from what we've seen at least), which is a rare ability.

Also, why are you using the Viz translation when we have the Strength Checker?

Like I said, he never mentions anything about quantity of the variation nor about his Saiyans companions, and Vegeta, after only knowing that Piccolo and Goku could raise their power with specials attacks (since that's all they do in the fight with Radditz regarding power variation besides removing their clothes), tells Nappa to remove their scouters since the Earthlings can change their power. And later, Freeza's minions are all surprised that Vegeta can vary his power level, increasing it, and he specifically says that he picked it up on Earth.

No matter how you wanna twist it, it doesn't make much sense that they can alter their scouter readings and still have the exact reactions they had on Earth and on Namek.

I understand that many fans reach the conclusion that Vegeta can amplify his ki thanks to the beam struggle with Goku's Kaioken x3, but as I've explained, its far more consistent that Goku, hurt by the continuous use of Kaioken x3, had dropped in power enough for his Kaioken x3 to match Vegeta's power, since its well established in the series that a hurt fighter will have a power drop.

I use Viz because, besides being an official and a pretty much faithful translation in pretty much every case (with the occasional exception), I have the volumes right here.

Maybe the fact that Raditz actually understands what Goku is doing would suggest he's at least heard of the ability.

If he had, it wouldn't be from Vegeta using it.

Like I said, Vegeta, after only seeing what went on the fight with Radditz, tells Nappa to remove his scouter since the Earthlings can alter their power, and he does this even before he sees any of the Earthlings fight in person.

He is convinced that the Earthlings are capable of doing something that they can't do and he becomes convinced of this just because he saw Goku increase in power while using the Kamehameha and Piccolo's increase in power while using the Makankosappo.

Why is this if he or Nappa can also increase their scouter reading with a special attack?

And there is no doubt that he is really convinced that they can't do what the earthlings do while on earth. This is obvious and consistent in the many times he refers to it on Earth and on Namek.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The big thing about Vegeta was that he was suppressed below 18.000, but then powered-up to 24.000.

No matter how you wanna twist it, it doesn't make much sense that they can alter their scouter readings and still have the exact reactions they had on Earth and on Namek.

In your opinion.

[rereboy]

The big thing about Vegeta was that he was suppressed below 18.000, but then powered-up to 24.000.

That happened in Namek when Vegeta fought Kiwi. When it happened, Kiwi, Dodoria and Zarbon were all shocked by it and Vegeta mentioned to Kiwi, before he killed him, that he picked up that ability (to vary his power) on Earth.

So, how does it make sense that he could do that something similar to that before then?

In your opinion.

And the fact that its my opinion is implied. No need for you to mention it like that is some sort of argument on itself...

[DBZGTKOSDH]

That happened in Namek when Vegeta fought Kiwi. When it happened, Kiwi, Dodoria and Zarbon were all shocked by it and Vegeta mentioned to Kiwi, before he killed him, that he picked up that ability (to vary his power) on Earth.

So, how does it make sense that he could do that something similar to that before then?

Everyone was shocked about Vegeta's power, there was no mention about his new ability.