Is Pan stronger than Gohan, Goten, and Trunks?

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Re: Is Pan stronger than Gohan, Goten, and Trunks?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Nov 25, 2013 7:29 pm

Bierhoff wrote:Cell and Freeza was a lot stronger, so was all the humans that escaped HFIL. Nappa was stronger. Hell, Android 17 and 18 were stronger. Why wouldn't the doctor be stronger too?
Wait, who said that the humans from Hell (people are still using HFIL? Why?), Nappa, #17, and #18 got stronger? Only Cell & Freeza are said to be stronger from what I recall.
Bierhoff wrote:The Zet-Senshi expected someone a lot stronger than Freeza, and Piccolo wouldn't come unprepared. It's likely he was stronger.
Just because they wanted to surpass the Artificial Humans or Freeza doesn't mean they did. Look at Kuririn or Tenshinhan. Piccolo can't just decide "I'll surpass Freeza" and do it. What you are suggesting is that Piccolo got an over x120 boost through 5 years of training, which is very unlikely and very unneeded.
Bierhoff wrote:Even if Rild wasn't being serious, Trunks being impressed by Pan's attack proves that she was indeed strong. Also, when it comes to comparison to Majin Boo, always assume the strongest. Why would Goku talk about the inferior Boo forms?
Why not compare him with the last Boo he faced or the last Boo that is alive? Gohan Boo was the strongest, but he eventually got weaker after reverting into Pure Boo. Then Pure Boo died, and only Mr. Boo was left behind. It could be any of Boo's forms, but the most likely ones are Gohan Boo, Pure Boo, and Mr. Boo IMO.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Is Pan stronger than Gohan, Goten, and Trunks?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Tue Nov 26, 2013 12:18 pm

Bierhoff wrote:Cell and Freeza was a lot stronger, so was all the humans that escaped HFIL. Nappa was stronger. Hell, Android 17 and 18 were stronger. Why wouldn't the doctor be stronger too?
Cell and Freeza got stronger since it was mention that they were prep up to fight Goku again. Everyone else most likely stay the same since I doubt anyone of them did any major training.
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Re: Is Pan stronger than Gohan, Goten, and Trunks?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Nov 26, 2013 1:06 pm

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Bierhoff wrote:Cell and Freeza was a lot stronger, so was all the humans that escaped HFIL. Nappa was stronger. Hell, Android 17 and 18 were stronger. Why wouldn't the doctor be stronger too?
Cell and Freeza got stronger since it was mention that they were prep up to fight Goku again. Everyone else most likely stay the same since I doubt anyone of them did any major training.
Could Gero get stronger by training anyway? He's a robot.
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Re: Is Pan stronger than Gohan, Goten, and Trunks?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:27 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:Could Gero get stronger by training anyway? He's a robot.
He should be able to modify himself.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Is Pan stronger than Gohan, Goten, and Trunks?

Post by TheGmGoken » Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:44 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:
Bierhoff wrote:Cell and Freeza was a lot stronger, so was all the humans that escaped HFIL. Nappa was stronger. Hell, Android 17 and 18 were stronger. Why wouldn't the doctor be stronger too?
Cell and Freeza got stronger since it was mention that they were prep up to fight Goku again. Everyone else most likely stay the same since I doubt anyone of them did any major training.
Could Gero get stronger by training anyway? He's a robot.
Since when can robots not get stronger or train?

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Re: Is Pan stronger than Gohan, Goten, and Trunks?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:20 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:Since when can robots not get stronger or train?
Since when was that even possible?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Is Pan stronger than Gohan, Goten, and Trunks?

Post by TheGmGoken » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:24 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:Since when can robots not get stronger or train?
Since when was that even possible?
I always thought it was possible......maybe causr I don't know a lot bout robots. But when a robot in db is made is that their strongest? I mean they cant be limited...can they?

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Re: Is Pan stronger than Gohan, Goten, and Trunks?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:32 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:Since when can robots not get stronger or train?
Since when was that even possible?
I always thought it was possible......maybe causr I don't know a lot bout robots. But when a robot in db is made is that their strongest? I mean they cant be limited...can they?
To get stronger, you have to work out your muscles, and extend your ki (last part applies only in Dragon Ball, not real-life of course :Ρ). Robots don't have muscles or ki.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Is Pan stronger than Gohan, Goten, and Trunks?

Post by TheGmGoken » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:35 pm

I mean...can't they upgrade their equipment?

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Re: Is Pan stronger than Gohan, Goten, and Trunks?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:48 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:I mean...can't they upgrade their equipment?
They can do that (if they are made to be able to do so), but they can't train.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Is Pan stronger than Gohan, Goten, and Trunks?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:00 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:I mean...can't they upgrade their equipment?
They can do that (if they are made to be able to do so), but they can't train.
Which is why I specified training in my post, as that was what the guy before me said :P
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Re: Is Pan stronger than Gohan, Goten, and Trunks?

Post by TheGmGoken » Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:05 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:I mean...can't they upgrade their equipment?
They can do that (if they are made to be able to do so), but they can't train.
Which is why I specified training in my post, as that was what the guy before me said :P
I put training and upgrading as both same things increase power. Sorry for that. I organized things differently than most.

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Re: Is Pan stronger than Gohan, Goten, and Trunks?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:45 pm

I doubt anyone train in Hell over time since they are dead and they know that they are not coming back to life anytime soon. Gero is likely the same as he was over a decade ago in the show.
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Re: Is Pan stronger than Gohan, Goten, and Trunks?

Post by Bierhoff » Mon Dec 02, 2013 12:07 pm

Dragonball GT doesn't follow the same power rules as Dragonball/Z. All the Z-fighters powered up immensely over the course of the series, so it would be natural for others to do that aswell.

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Re: Is Pan stronger than Gohan, Goten, and Trunks?

Post by Marco Polo » Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:38 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:I doubt anyone train in Hell over time since they are dead and they know that they are not coming back to life anytime soon. Gero is likely the same as he was over a decade ago in the show.
I think they still need to train to avoid being killed again (which would result in their disappearing from existence).

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Re: Is Pan stronger than Gohan, Goten, and Trunks?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:53 pm

Marco Polo wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:I doubt anyone train in Hell over time since they are dead and they know that they are not coming back to life anytime soon. Gero is likely the same as he was over a decade ago in the show.
I think they still need to train to avoid being killed again (which would result in their disappearing from existence).
In filler and GT, dead people can't die again. Remember how Goku couldn't kill Cell and Freeza? And how in the Otherworld Tournament the contestants couldn't die again?

Of course, GT seems inconsistent with that as well, what with Nappa and co. seeming to die again, so whatever.
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