Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[miguelnuva1]

Maybe I have missed something, but how do we know that Bardock is at normal SSJ level? I mean, just because of that Goku and Vegeta didn't reach C16 level using the normal SSJ doesn't mean that they couldn't (or never did) if they trained long enough.

I don't see why people throw it around that some of these characters can't be at a certain level of power.

In the series itself, Trunks seems surprised that Vegeta immediately jumps up to Grade II in order to fight Cell's second form, implying that his regular Super Saiyan strength was probably in that same realm of power as well. So there is precedence for normal Super Saiyans to be above 16 without mastering the transformation.

For Bardock in particular, it's been over fifty years since we last "saw" him. I see nothing saying it would be impossible for a regular Super Saiyan to be at 16's level; especially after all that time.

There is a SSJ wall that Saiyans have to break through in order to get stronger. Goku and Vegeta were implied to have maxed out in till that Ascended which aloud them greater levels of power for the regular SSJ form.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

There is a SSJ wall that Saiyans have to break through in order to get stronger. Goku and Vegeta were implied to have maxed out in till that Ascended which aloud them greater levels of power for the regular SSJ form.

Yeah, and all it took to raise that "wall" was an extended period of training in increased gravity and denser air, which the RoSaT provided.

So again, I reiterate, it has been around 50 years since we last saw him and his living/training conditions between then are almost entirely unknown; there is nothing that implies Bardock has to be restricted to that lower realm of power

[jjgp1112]

[Kamiccolo9]

Baom?

[Saiga]

Oh. They were on the underside of the planet, so that's what Bardock was referring to. He's still wrong though, it's like saying people at the south pole are upside down. What an idiot.

[hleV]

He was upside down in Bardock & everyone else's eyes.

[TheGmGoken]

RaditzScouter
I'm afraid that wont be enough to bring down King Cold. This Bardock is probably around 300,000,000 the same level as SSJ Vegeta(Android Arc) King Cold is around 500,000,000 the same level as Android #16. And if Cold is using Frieza's example; Cold is probably only using 50% of his power. I'm afraid even if Bardock went SSJ2 he would lose since its only doubling your power.

Bardock(universe 3)- 6,000,000
SSJ- 300,000,000
ASSJ- 450,000,000
USSJ- 720,000,000
SSJ2- 600,000,000
King Cold(second form)- 85,000,000
King Cold(third forrn)- 170,000,000
King Cold(final form/ 50%)- 500,000,000
King Cold(final form/ 100%)- 1,000,000,000
King Cold(5th form)- 2,000,000,000

Any thoughts on this?

My thoughts are this

Docter Killjoy
@raditzscouter
power levels are useless and meaningless

Just kidding. Real thoughts are as it stands, Cold is probably stronger than Bardock. By how much, I wouldn't venture to guess. But Bardock is going to have to think quickly to avoid getting clobbered.

Also according to Dr. Machisomo(Former Kanzenshuu) Page 800 was copied. Though I GREATLY disagree

Dr. Machismo
I think the fourth panel where Bardock is punching Cold is copied from here (the panel where Vegeta is punching Ginyu-Goku):

Spoiler:

Also someone pointed out that page 800 is drawn incorrectly:

random guy
The middle panel where Bardock punched Cold in the chest was drawn wrong. Since he was upside down and his head was below Cold's waist, when he leaned up to punch Cold his punch should have been shown coming from below.To be more accurate, the bend in Bardock's elbow should have been somewhere around Cold's groin, instead of up there around his neck where he shouldn't have been able to reach. The artist got his angles inverted.

Not to mention Cold was holding Bardock's feet in front of his face, and all of a sudden Bardock's waist was well above Cold's head in that panel. ????

If you look at the angles of the punches in the bottom panel, that's the right way to depict it.
2013-11-28

Page 801 seems awesome. Love the way Bardock flies away.

Sorry for long post. Haven't said anything on DBM topic in a long time

[ZombieVito]

Bardock can't really be that far off. Cold does have scratches.

Something like this would be my guess:

Cold: 450,000,000
SSJ Bardock: 400,000,000

[dbzfan7]

Ugh don't post reminders of a former troller please.

Anyways I wonder if they changed how strong Bardock really is from the previous statement? That's my guess.

[TheGmGoken]

Ugh don't post reminders of a former troller please.

Anyways I wonder if they changed how strong Bardock really is from the previous statement? That's my guess.

What was the previous statement?

[dbzfan7]

What was the previous statement?

I think it was said somewhere that this Bardock is over 200 times stronger than the regular one. Which would put him below Namek SSJ Goku.

[TheGmGoken]

What was the previous statement?

I think it was said somewhere that this Bardock is over 200 times stronger than the regular one. Which would put him below Namek SSJ Goku.

Let's see. Bardock.....around 10k. 10k x 200 = .... 2,000,000. If we use 15k(Had he got that zenkai perhaps). 15x x 200 = 3,000,000. Which is equal to Namek Goku. So he's about Namek Goku's power. There is NO WAY IN HELL Bardock winning this.

[Saiga]

200 times stronger is the lower limit, and that's compared to the Bardock from U10 whose power level is completely unknown. So, we don't know anything about how strong he is.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Apparently it did hurt Cold enough to piss him off at least.

[TrunksTrevelyan0064]

Yeah, I can see Bardock dyin'.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Please tell me THIS is Cold actually reaching 16's level of power, and that he didn't actually just jump further beyond that realm of power. It really makes him look stupid if he died at the hands of Trunks while holding back on power that starts to tap into Cell's territory.

[dbzfan7]

Please tell me THIS is Cold actually reaching 16's level of power, and that he didn't actually just jump further beyond that realm of power. It really makes him look stupid if he died at the hands of Trunks while holding back on power that starts to tap into Cell's territory.

I already thought it was stupid before....if he get's stronger it just gets even worse.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I already thought it was stupid before....if he get's stronger it just gets even worse.

Agreed. I really should have made that say "look even stupider"...

[rereboy]

The original quote from Piccolo just said that Cold's power was more similar to that of the androids than his sons but he wasn't really sure where to place him, he could be around #18, #17 or #16.



So, he could be even somewhat inferior to #18 and still fit with what Piccolo said.

[ZombieVito]

200 times stronger is the lower limit, and that's compared to the Bardock from U10 whose power level is completely unknown. So, we don't know anything about how strong he is.

Besides that line was omitted in the comic right?

I can see Cold reaching Semi Cell with this.