The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kid Buu » Sat Dec 07, 2013 1:03 am

Kakashi wrote:Piccolo Daimao vs 23rd Budokai Yamcha
Yamcha managed to get a hit on Kami, whose finger beat the same Goku who beat Piccolo Daimao.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Sat Dec 07, 2013 2:42 am

But was Kami going all out?

It's not likely since he was at 300 (more or less) and Yamcha only was at 177 at BoZ.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kid Buu » Sat Dec 07, 2013 2:45 am

Zombie wrote:But was Kami going all out?

It's not likely since he was at 300 (more or less) and Yamcha only was at 177 at BoZ.
Kami dominated the entire fight except Yamcha managed to get in a single hit with the Sodiken. Kid Goku (who beat Piccolo Daimao) charged Kami and got beaten by a finger. So Yamcha did slightly better than Kid Goku.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Sat Dec 07, 2013 2:55 am

Can you really compare a straight rush attack to a sneaky ki attack?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 3:01 am

King Piccolo utterly eviscerates poor Yamcha.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kid Buu » Sat Dec 07, 2013 3:17 am

Zombie wrote:Can you really compare a straight rush attack to a sneaky ki attack?
Sure. That was kind of the whole point that Popo was making in his debut, that Goku was inferior because he was only relying on power.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Sat Dec 07, 2013 3:30 am

Still Yamcha's 177 makes this match moot. Piccolo takes this with easy.

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Post by Saiga » Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:57 am

Yamcha meets his demise when Piccolo Daimao murderkills him to death.

I think Kaio would certainly demolish the humans.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kakashi » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:09 am

Kaboom wrote:
Kakashi wrote:How? Yamcha is stronger than a Saibaman while Raditz is slightly stronger.
Yamcha=1,480
Raditz=1,500
Saibaman=1,200
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Except Raditz is slightly stronger than a Saibaman and over 1,200

Yamcha is not just slightly stronger than a Saibaman and he is not even 1,500. Toriyama + Manga >> Daizenshuu

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Post by Kakashi » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:12 am

Yamcha is at least in par with Piccolo Daimao IMO. Tenshinhan would of stomped him though

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:21 pm

Kakashi wrote:Except Raditz is slightly stronger than a Saibaman and over 1,200
Yamcha is not just slightly stronger than a Saibaman and he is not even 1,500. Toriyama + Manga >> Daizenshuu
You don't get it? You're acting confused that someone referenced the official numbers for their answer, acting like the different numbers you prefer are fact, and then acting like Toriyama's quote and the manga can ONLY agree with YOUR numbers. You honestly don't see the problem with this?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kakashi » Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:54 pm

Kaboom wrote:
Kakashi wrote:Except Raditz is slightly stronger than a Saibaman and over 1,200
Yamcha is not just slightly stronger than a Saibaman and he is not even 1,500. Toriyama + Manga >> Daizenshuu
You don't get it? You're acting confused that someone referenced the official numbers for their answer, acting like the different numbers you prefer are fact, and then acting like Toriyama's quote and the manga can ONLY agree with YOUR numbers. You honestly don't see the problem with this?
I am not saying it's a fact, I say Raditz is stover 1,200 because Toriyama states Raditz is slightly stronger than a Saibaman

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kakashi » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:36 pm

Gohan-Boo vs Hirudegarn vs Base Vegetto vs Janemba. Who wins?

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:41 pm

Kakashi wrote:Gohan-Boo vs Hirudegarn vs Base Vegetto vs Janemba. Who wins?
Janemba dies when the others flare their auras. A big fight ensues, as the remaining three are all around the same strength. Buuhan probably comes out on top due to his wide variety of advantages.

Assuming a high end power for Vegetto, of course, otherwise it would be boring.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:45 pm

Boohan wins thanks to Gotenks's attacks. Janemba looses as Hirugan spits on him with acid. Vegetto takes the bug out. BooHan > Base Vegetto but the gap is unknowed but we know that Boohan is stronger and have weird attacks.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kakashi » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:52 pm

Hirudegarn > Gohan-Boo IMO so he wins.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiga » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:53 pm

I've sort of given up on trying to evaluate the strength of movie characters, to be honest. Just too many confusing and contradictory things for me to even have an idea.

I will say that I believe that Vegetto is weaker than all of them without Super Saiyan. I think that the winner would come down to either Hirudegarn or Gohan-Boo, but I have no way of comparing them. Well, I guess Gohan-Boo could just win with his abilities even if he's a bit weaker, so I'll go with him.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by rereboy » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:54 pm

Kakashi wrote:Hirudegarn > Gohan-Boo IMO so he wins.
There was no one even near the level of Gohan-Boo in the movie of Hirudegarn, and he was beaten and killed, so...

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kakashi » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:55 pm

Saiga wrote:I've sort of given up on trying to evaluate the strength of movie characters, to be honest. Just too many confusing and contradictory things for me to even have an idea.

I will say that I believe that Vegetto is weaker than all of them without Super Saiyan. I think that the winner would come down to either Hirudegarn or Gohan-Boo, but I have no way of comparing them. Well, I guess Gohan-Boo could just win with his abilities even if he's a bit weaker, so I'll go with him.
Base Vegetto > Super Janemba

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kakashi » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:57 pm

rereboy wrote:
Kakashi wrote:Hirudegarn > Gohan-Boo IMO so he wins.
There was no one even near the level of Gohan-Boo in the movie of Hirudegarn, and he was beaten and killed, so...
Hirudegarn easily beat Ultimate Gohan who is 60% of Gohan-Boo IMO. He also transformed

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