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by KentalSSJ6 » Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:24 pm
Saiga wrote:No, he actually IS invincible in his Legendary Super Saiyan form. He can only be killed outside of the form, and the only guaranteed way to make him drop the form is throw him into the sun.
If your referring to Movie 10, the sun didnt really deliver the killing blow. The Family Kamehameha blows a hole right through Broly's chest area where the heart is. The sun just finishes off whats left. In Movie 10, Broly was indeed killed in his LSSJ form.
And no Broly did not revert back into SSJ when blown into the sun due to his eyes which due to whatever filter was used made them all red instead of all white.
Broly may be invulnerable to physical attacks while in LSSJ form (aside from his stomach), but a powerful enough Ki attack clearly shows he isnt invulnerable to energy attacks.
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by Saiga » Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:26 pm
KentalSSJ6 wrote:Saiga wrote:No, he actually IS invincible in his Legendary Super Saiyan form. He can only be killed outside of the form, and the only guaranteed way to make him drop the form is throw him into the sun.
If your referring to Movie 10, the sun didnt really deliver the killing blow. The Family Kamehameha blows a hole right through Broly's chest area where the heart is. The sun just finishes off whats left. In Movie 10, Broly was indeed killed in his LSSJ form.
And no Broly did not revert back into SSJ when blown into the sun due to his eyes which due to whatever filter was used made them all red instead of all white.
Broly may be invulnerable to physical attacks while in LSSJ form (aside from his stomach), but a powerful enough Ki attack clearly shows he isnt invulnerable to energy attacks.
I'm talking about DBM's continuity, not what happens in the movies. Everything I said is how it happens in DBM's continuity.
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by KentalSSJ6 » Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:29 pm
True, but what do you expect when the creator is a self admitted Broly lover?
(Another reason I love DBNA as it gives Broly a big ol' middle finger.)
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by rereboy » Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:43 pm
RandomGuy96 wrote:There's also the fact that his Broly is literally invincible. And he has two specials with a third planned. Oh, and half of the fight with Vegetto is just cutaways to the various competitors who just keep verbally stroking Broly's Legendary Super Dick by going on and on about how powerful and awesome he is.
He died in several universes, so no, he's not invincible while in the form. It just takes a power significant larger than his own to overcome the form.
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:50 pm
rereboy wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:There's also the fact that his Broly is literally invincible. And he has two specials with a third planned. Oh, and half of the fight with Vegetto is just cutaways to the various competitors who just keep verbally stroking Broly's Legendary Super Dick by going on and on about how powerful and awesome he is.
He died in several universes, so no, he's not invincible while in the form. It takes a power significant larger than his own to overcome the form.
I think he means Tournament Broly.
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by Saiga » Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:53 pm
rereboy wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:There's also the fact that his Broly is literally invincible. And he has two specials with a third planned. Oh, and half of the fight with Vegetto is just cutaways to the various competitors who just keep verbally stroking Broly's Legendary Super Dick by going on and on about how powerful and awesome he is.
He died in several universes, so no, he's not invincible while in the form. It just takes a power significant larger than his own to overcome the form.
He must have died outside of the form, then, like what was said in the Movie 10 adaptation special. We are flat out told that he can't be killed in that form.
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by rereboy » Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:56 pm
Saiga wrote:rereboy wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:There's also the fact that his Broly is literally invincible. And he has two specials with a third planned. Oh, and half of the fight with Vegetto is just cutaways to the various competitors who just keep verbally stroking Broly's Legendary Super Dick by going on and on about how powerful and awesome he is.
He died in several universes, so no, he's not invincible while in the form. It just takes a power significant larger than his own to overcome the form.
He must have died outside of the form, then, like what was said in the Movie 10 adaptation special. We are flat out told that he can't be killed in that form.
That's exactly it. The form protects him, but a strong enough force is able to knock him out of the form, and almost always kills him in the process. Therefore, if the form can be overcome, he is not invincible at all. He just has a much better defense than the other characters.
This is also something that some fans took out of movie 8, because no attack seemed to do anything to Broly in the movie, except the last one that overcame his form/power.
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:01 pm
Saiga wrote:rereboy wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:There's also the fact that his Broly is literally invincible. And he has two specials with a third planned. Oh, and half of the fight with Vegetto is just cutaways to the various competitors who just keep verbally stroking Broly's Legendary Super Dick by going on and on about how powerful and awesome he is.
He died in several universes, so no, he's not invincible while in the form. It just takes a power significant larger than his own to overcome the form.
He must have died outside of the form, then, like what was said in the Movie 10 adaptation special. We are flat out told that he can't be killed in that form.
PROOF:
That's exactly it. The form protects him, but a strong enough force is able to knock him out of the form, and almost always kills him in the process. Therefore, if the form can be overcome, he is not invincible at all. He just has a much better defense than the other characters.
This is also something that some fans took out of movie 8, because no attack seemed to do anything to Broly in the movie, except the last one that overcame his form/power.
What even funny is that even Zen Boo was KINDA worried about Broly's power. Saying Vegetto should't play around.
There is such a thing of being a fanboy and wanking a character. That's one thing. But this is on a WHOLE NEW LEVEL
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by rereboy » Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:02 pm
I've already explained it.
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:08 pm
rereboy wrote:I've already explained it.
I made the post while you was typing as well and the website glitched and didn't show your post.
That's a BULLSHIT fan theory since Movie 10 Broly was clearly hurt by some of Gohan's hits
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by Saiga » Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:09 pm
rereboy wrote:
That's exactly it. The form protects him, but a strong enough force is able to knock him out of the form, and almost always kills him in the process. Therefore, if the form can be overcome, he is not invincible at all. He just has a much better defense than the other characters.
This is also something that some fans took out of movie 8, because no attack seemed to do anything to Broly in the movie, except the last one that overcame his form/power.
Oh, that's what you meant. It's still incorrect to say he's not invincible while in that form, as you did, because he can only be killed if he's knocked out of the form. The fact that a strong enough attack can knock him out of the form doesn't mean he's not invincible. And, only the sun has shown to be capable of doing that, so it might be more than a matter of overpowering him. I'm pretty sure Salagir consider Super Saiyan 3 to be 10x stronger than Super Saiyan 2, and Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto's Final Dragon Flash couldn't do it.
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by rereboy » Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:25 pm
Saiga wrote:
Oh, that's what you meant. It's still incorrect to say he's not invincible while in that form, as you did, because he can only be killed if he's knocked out of the form. The fact that a strong enough attack can knock him out of the form doesn't mean he's not invincible. And, only the sun has shown to be capable of doing that, so it might be more than a matter of overpowering him. I'm pretty sure Salagir consider Super Saiyan 3 to be 10x stronger than Super Saiyan 2, and Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto's Final Dragon Flash couldn't do it.
Ok, but if we go by that then we can also say that Cell is invincible as long as he has his force shield up. After all, he can't be hurt or killed unless someone overcomes his shield. It doesn't make much sense to me to call the form invincible because of that. The form acts basically like a shield, and only potentially fatal attacks for Broly are actually able to negate the form, meaning he just tanks pretty much everything beneath that.
As for overcoming the form, in the first special Broly's form was overcome by the Genki Dama and that meteor. I'm sure that Vegetto is much stronger than that Genki Dama and that meteor put together but Broly was much weaker then. In the DBM fight with Broly, it was stated, immediately before Vegetto went SSJ3, that Broly had surpassed SSJ2 Vegetto in power, so SSJ3 was strong enough to send him away but not to actually knock him completely out of the form. Broly actually seemed unconscious due to the shock of the attack, but still in LSSJ. A little more though, and Broly would probably have dropped out of LSSJ and died.
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by RandomGuy96 » Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:58 pm
What even funny is that even Zen Boo was KINDA worried about Broly's power. Saying Vegetto should't play around.
On the other hand, he also said he could easily end the fight in moments before Vegetto did.
There is such a thing of being a fanboy and wanking a character. That's one thing. But this is on a WHOLE NEW LEVEL
I seriously don't get how Salagir can deny being a Broly fanboy in light of this.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by Saiga » Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:01 pm
Eh, I don't think that's a valid comparison. Cell isn't actually taking the hits, he's just as squishy inside his shield. His shield may be invincible, and guidebooks seem to support that it actually can't be broken as long as it can be maintained with ki, but not him.
Broli's Legendary Super Saiyan form isn't a shield, it is him. And he doesn't take any damage from attacks when he's in that form, despite the direct contact that they make.
Also, I missed that Broli got knocked out of the form by the Genki Dama, which is kind of weird to me. I know Broli passed Super Saiyan 2 Vegetto, but since Salagir's gap between Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan 3 is so big, I wouldn't have thought he was close to Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto. And yet he handles such a powerful technique better than he does the Genki Dama from people weaker than him, and exhausted at that.
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by rereboy » Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:01 pm
RandomGuy96 wrote:
I seriously don't get how Salagir can deny being a Broly fanboy in light of this.
Because liking a character doesn't mean that we are fanboys of the character.
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by Saiga » Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:03 pm
Wanking a character you like to extreme levels is generally what causes someone to be called a fanboy, though.
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by RandomGuy96 » Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:03 pm
Really? Giving Broly three specials (only two of which are out right now), having all of the other characters rant about how awesome and powerful he is, making him stronger than Vegetto, and admitting to doing this because "Broly is cool" doesn't make you a fanboy?
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by rereboy » Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:09 pm
Saiga wrote:Eh, I don't think that's a valid comparison. Cell isn't actually taking the hits, he's just as squishy inside his shield. His shield may be invincible, and guidebooks seem to support that it actually can't be broken as long as it can be maintained with ki, but not him.
Broli's Legendary Super Saiyan form isn't a shield, it is him. And he doesn't take any damage from attacks when he's in that form, despite the direct contact that they make.
Also, I missed that Broli got knocked out of the form by the Genki Dama, which is kind of weird to me. I know Broli passed Super Saiyan 2 Vegetto, but since Salagir's gap between Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan 3 is so big, I wouldn't have thought he was close to Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto. And yet he handles such a powerful technique better than he does the Genki Dama from people weaker than him, and exhausted at that.
Broly also isn't actually taking the hits. The hits may be able to push him back and whatnot, but the damage is negated by the form. Its like he has a shield right above his skin while in the form. To me, the practical effects are the same, its just a matter of form and semantics. Neither one can be actually hurt while the shield/LSSJ is up unless the attack has enough power to overcome the shield/LSSJ. So the classification of invincible for either one seems misplaced to me.
He handles it better because he is way stronger. His LSSJ can take much more powerful attacks the stronger Broly himself is. Like I said, only potentially fatal attacks can knock out the form. At that time, that Genki Dama plus the meteor, considering Broly's level at the time, was potentially fatal for Broly. In DBM's tournament it wouldn't be.
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:12 pm
RandomGuy96 wrote:Really? Giving Broly three specials (only two of which are out right now), having all of the other characters rant about how awesome and powerful he is, making him stronger than Vegetto, and admitting to doing this because "Broly is cool" doesn't make you a fanboy?
Nope. IT makes him someone who only writes stories for
characters he think is cool. Giving them perks such as being stronger than Broly

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by rereboy » Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:17 pm
Saiga wrote:Wanking a character you like to extreme levels is generally what causes someone to be called a fanboy, though.
I've already explained the use of a character like Broly to showcase Vegetto's power in his first fight. Salagir used Broly as that character because he wasn't in the tournament yet, because he had the right mentality and behavior to serve as that character, because he had an idea on how to justify his power being on Vegetto's class and because he liked Broly. It wasn't just because he liked Broly. There was a need for a character to serve as a plot device to showcase Vegetto, and, because of the reasons I stated (not forgetting that Salagir likes Broly of course), Broly was chosen to be that character.