What if Toriyama never created the Cell saga?

[thatdbzguy]

Most people here agree that the Cell saga is by far the worst saga out of all of Dragon Ball. So, what if Toriyama didn't even bother creating it, and instead went straight to Buu? How different do you think the saga would've been?

Where are you getting the idea that the Cell saga is the most hated? It is my least favourite main arc in Z but from what I can tell the Buu saga is the least liked here.

Look closer, and you'll see the Cell arc is the least favorite arc of Kanzenshuu.

[baneofdemon22]

That's very interesting. I'm new to this site, so I don't know the general consensus on things. Although I had the toys, magazines, cards, played the video games, and would draw the characters when I was a kid, I never watched the show until last year. All I heard was Bruce Falconer is the greatest, Kai is garbage, Japanese sucks, Broly is the best character, Cell Saga is the best, Buu Saga is an abomination, Toriyama wanted the series to end at the Frieza Saga, the studio made Toriyama make Goku the main character, Frieza is the best, GT sucks, Drummond is the best Vegeta, Kai is for kids, all the Kai actors raped the series, Goku is a bad father, funimation is the best, etc.

I have to say after finally watching the show, I disagree with the majority of the "internet". I'm glad that I found a site, where everyone isn't telling me I'm wrong for liking or thinking something is good that "most don't".

[Kamiccolo9]

Most people here agree that the Cell saga is by far the worst saga out of all of Dragon Ball. So, what if Toriyama didn't even bother creating it, and instead went straight to Buu? How different do you think the saga would've been?

Where are you getting the idea that the Cell saga is the most hated? It is my least favourite main arc in Z but from what I can tell the Buu saga is the least liked here.

Look closer, and you'll see the Cell arc is the least favorite arc of Kanzenshuu.

Based on what? There are no polls here, so no one has done a poll of "least favorite arc." Not everyone bothers to comment on these threads, and there is no way you have achieved an adequate sample size to represent the thousands of members on this forum.

[thatdbzguy]

Look closer, and you'll see the Cell arc is the least favorite arc of Kanzenshuu.

Based on what? There are no polls here, so no one has done a poll of "least favorite arc." Not everyone bothers to comment on these threads, and there is no way you have achieved an adequate sample size to represent the thousands of members on this forum.

Judging by the posts, yeah, the Cell saga is the least favorite. No other saga has been claimed to be someone's least favorite on here as much as the Cell saga. Not even Buu.

[Black_Anime_Fan]

In other words, your least favorite arc in the series is Cell, which translates to: everyone else must dislike it the most as well.

[Kamiccolo9]

Look closer, and you'll see the Cell arc is the least favorite arc of Kanzenshuu.

Based on what? There are no polls here, so no one has done a poll of "least favorite arc." Not everyone bothers to comment on these threads, and there is no way you have achieved an adequate sample size to represent the thousands of members on this forum.

Judging by the posts, yeah, the Cell saga is the least favorite. No other saga has been claimed to be someone's least favorite on here as much as the Cell saga. Not even Buu.

What posts? And by how many people? And over how much time? And in what topics?

Like this topic, for instance. It's obviously going to attract those that either really like or dislike the Cell Arc, while those who are more indifferent might not bother posting at all, but may have posted instead if this topic had been about, say, the Red Ribbon Army Arc.

And saying "No other saga has been claimed to be someone's least favorite on here as much as the Cell saga." Really? Have you checked through the 10+ years of posts on this forum? Of course not.

And, for what it's worth, of the 26 posts on this thread alone, 15 have said either that it's their favorite, they didn't know it was so hated, it's not the most hated, or it's one of the best.

[DBZ Mick]

I wouldn't want it gone completely.

I'd actually have it at the start of the 'Z' part of the series/manga. I think it could have perhaps been more enjoyable that way and the human characters could participate more.

[Saiga]

I don't think it could happen right after the Freeza arc. Maybe Kaioshin would come in and defeat Freeza/Cold, then explain the threat of Majin Boo, then some shit would happen and Boo would be released. Vegeta is also a Super Saiyan and Boo is hyped up because he can defeat a Super Saiyan. Than either Gohan is the hero or Goku is, I don't know. Assuming there isn't a big timeskip, then Goten and Trunks can't exist.

[Metalwario64]

Most people here agree that the Cell saga is by far the worst saga out of all of Dragon Ball

I've never seen such a consensus. If anything, it's the Buu arc and Red Ribbon arcs that garner the most hate around here, even though I'm a huge fan of the Buu arc.

That's very interesting. I'm new to this site, so I don't know the general consensus on things.

This site doesn't really have any consensuses (even in regards to the Japanese version being superior, with a few members disagreeing on that). That's what makes it so awesome!

I disagree with the majority of the "internet". I'm glad that I found a site, where everyone isn't telling me I'm wrong for liking or thinking something is good that "most don't".

Which is funny, because Kanzenshuu "haters" (misguided, and probably butt-hurt, dub only fanboys) will tell you that you'll get banned for liking the dub and such.

Seriously, I've seen such statements.

[RandomGuy96]

The Cell Arc takes itself way too seriously at times. Easily the worst part of the story, right behind the Red Ribbon Arc.

Anyway, I don't think the Buu Arc would have flowed properly off of the Freeza Arc. Some things may have still worked out nicely, like Freeza and Kaioshin's powers being more relevant, but we probably would have still needed some kind of buffer there, even if it wasn't Cell.

Basically this.

Nothing good about the Cell saga ? seriously ?! what about Cell himself .. as a villain ? his goal to become "perfect" by sucking Androids 17 & 18. which these two were the villains at that point in the saga, i really liked that scenario. and don't get me started on the ending, it's P-E-R-F-E-C-T. unlike the ending we got after the Buu saga.

Cell is one of the worst things about the Cell Saga, maybe even the worst. The ending is almost as bad.

[ABED]

I like Cell as a villain. He's different, and one of, if not the only one that actually runs away to fight another day instead of defiantly staying to fight regardless of the evidence.

The worst things about the Cell arc is how easily Freeza is cast aside for a couple of teen cyborgs and few of the fights are competitive.

[DBZAOTA482]

Nothing good about the Cell saga ? seriously ?! what about Cell himself .. as a villain ? his goal to become "perfect" by sucking Androids 17 & 18. which these two were the villains at that point in the saga, i really liked that scenario. and don't get me started on the ending, it's P-E-R-F-E-C-T. unlike the ending we got after the Buu saga.

Cell is one of the worst things about the Cell Saga, maybe even the worst. The ending is almost as bad.

I think you officially killed thatdbzguy's confidence with that comment.

...And I strongly disagree with you.

[thatdbzguy]

Nothing good about the Cell saga ? seriously ?! what about Cell himself .. as a villain ? his goal to become "perfect" by sucking Androids 17 & 18. which these two were the villains at that point in the saga, i really liked that scenario. and don't get me started on the ending, it's P-E-R-F-E-C-T. unlike the ending we got after the Buu saga.

Cell is one of the worst things about the Cell Saga, maybe even the worst. The ending is almost as bad.

I think you officially killed thatdbzguy's confidence with that comment.

How so? I agree with him.

[Saiga]

The Cell arc definitely isn't the worst arc for me. Maaybe it is just out of the "Z" arcs, but that's because the other three are all good. Haven't read early Dragon Ball in a while but the RRA arc is probably still the worst arc for me.

[Kamiccolo9]

I like Cell as a villain. He's different, and one of, if not the only one that actually runs away to fight another day instead of defiantly staying to fight regardless of the evidence.

Well, Super Buu runs away from Gohan in order to stall so he can absorb Gotenks and Piccolo. Gero runs away from Vegeta, Piccolo, and co. And Jeice flees from Goku to get reinforcements.

[Saiga]

I like Cell as a villain. He's different, and one of, if not the only one that actually runs away to fight another day instead of defiantly staying to fight regardless of the evidence.

Well, Super Buu runs away from Gohan in order to stall so he can absorb Gotenks and Piccolo. Gero runs away from Vegeta, Piccolo, and co. And Jeice flees from Goku to get reinforcements.

Cell is easily the coolest at running away, though, closely followed by Boo.

[ABED]

I like Cell as a villain. He's different, and one of, if not the only one that actually runs away to fight another day instead of defiantly staying to fight regardless of the evidence.

Well, Super Buu runs away from Gohan in order to stall so he can absorb Gotenks and Piccolo. Gero runs away from Vegeta, Piccolo, and co. And Jeice flees from Goku to get reinforcements.

Fair enough, though Buu was after Cell, and Jeice was acting out of cowardice. Cell (and Buu) were employing strategy. It was a refreshing change.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Despite the fact that I find his arc to be the second worst in the manga, Cell was a fine villain back when he was first introduced. The more perfect he becomes though, the worse his character becomes as well.

[ABED]

Despite the fact that I find his arc to be the second worst in the manga, Cell was a fine villain back when he was first introduced. The more perfect he becomes though, the worse his character becomes as well.

What didn't you like about his perfect form?

[Saiga]

Despite the fact that I find his arc to be the second worst in the manga, Cell was a fine villain back when he was first introduced. The more perfect he becomes though, the worse his character becomes as well.

Minus Cell arc being the second worst arc in the manga, this is exactly how I feel. His first form was fantastic.