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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ErikB » Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:40 pm

Speaking of those 'real rock bands', my next unpopular (maybe?) opinion:
-History of Trunks was one thing that the old FUNi dub actually improved. Loved the soundtrack in that, loved most of the voicework (especially Trunks's inner monologue when he finds Gohan's body), plus it introduced me to Dream Theater. ...Still has its share of stupid added dialogue though.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by TheOverlyMadHatter » Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:33 pm

ErikB wrote:...Still has its share of stupid added dialogue though.
I see your... point.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kid Buu » Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:39 pm

I actually think the 21st Budokai was the best Budokai. My only real nitpicket is that it'd have been more fitting if Yamcha had faced Ram Fan in the 21st Budokai, since his whole character arc in the first saga is getting over his fear of woman.

The 23rd Budokai is my choice for worst. As enjoyable as the fights are here, the arc feels pointless. Goku finally wins a tournament, but he basically won the 22nd Budokai to the extent even Tenshinhan called him the real winner. He also saves the world from a Piccolo, but he did that in the previous arc.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DragonBoxZTheMovies » Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:55 pm

TheOverlyMadHatter wrote:
ErikB wrote:...Still has its share of stupid added dialogue though.
I see your... point.
"Allow me to even it out."

But yeah, I've always felt that the dub for the 2nd TV special was ahead of its time- in terms of voice acting and casting, at least. Admittedly, I do like the music they used as well. Very nostalgic.

Still, it does get tiresome hearing "Oh my gosh" over and over. :roll:

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Dbzfan94 » Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:08 pm

thatdbzguy wrote:
Dbzfan94 wrote: -Goku should've killed Freeza.
He did in the unaltered timeline.

Yeah, but I mean in the regular timeline.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:21 pm

I like Funimation Dub Dbz for casual viewing. Not that popular around here. But I make Amvs to it and honestly got used to it.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by thatdbzguy » Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:22 am

Dbzfan94 wrote:
thatdbzguy wrote:
Dbzfan94 wrote: -Goku should've killed Freeza.
He did in the unaltered timeline.

Yeah, but I mean in the regular timeline.
The unaltered timeline is the regular timeline.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ChiChiFan » Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:02 am

I prefer the English dub DBZ over Japanese sub.
Despite what fans say about ChiChi, I like her and she wasn't as bitchy like some make her out to be. She just wanted the best for Gohan.
Vegeta is highly overrated and annoying as hell.
Goku may not have been the best father but he damn sure wasn't a neglectful and terrible father like most fans claim he is. He did a good job for the sake he didn't grow up with a mother and father.
I like Teen Gohan better than Kid Gohan.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by The Monkey King » Sat Feb 01, 2014 4:19 pm

thatdbzguy wrote:
Dbzfan94 wrote: Yeah, but I mean in the regular timeline.
The unaltered timeline is the regular timeline.
The mainstream timeline, are you happy now?

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Post by ABED » Sat Feb 01, 2014 4:52 pm

She just wanted the best for Gohan.
She wanted what SHE thought was best, his happiness be damned. She was a tiger mom. At least she was kinda funny.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by thatdbzguy » Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:17 pm

The Monkey King wrote:
thatdbzguy wrote:
Dbzfan94 wrote: Yeah, but I mean in the regular timeline.
The unaltered timeline is the regular timeline.
The mainstream timeline, are you happy now?
Fine. Goku killed Freeza in the hipster timeline. Satisfied?
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:42 pm

ChiChiFan wrote:I like Teen Gohan better than Kid Gohan.
As in Teen Gohan, do you mean the one from the Great Saiyaman Saga because preferring him in the Cell Games than previous incarnations isn't that unpopular?
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She just wanted the best for Gohan.
She wanted what SHE thought was best, his happiness be damned.
Which was why she let him go to Namek (granted she didn't like it but she accepted it in the long run), and let him parade around as a superhero.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Post by ABED » Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:45 pm

Which was why she let him go to Namek (granted she didn't like it but she accepted it in the long run), and let him parade around as a superhero.
She only "let" him because Gohan stood up for himself. Superhero? You make it sound like Gohan was on some mission of self glorification or he was just playing around. He went because he wanted to help his friends.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:48 pm

ABED wrote:
Which was why she let him go to Namek (granted she didn't like it but she accepted it in the long run), and let him parade around as a superhero.
She only "let" him because Gohan stood up for himself.
Rocketman wrote:
"hey mom i'm going across the galaxy to bring the devil back to life, y'know, that guy who nearly killed you, beat the shit out of dad and who then killed him, kidnapped me and beat me for months"

"what. no."

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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:57 pm

ABED wrote:
Which was why she let him go to Namek (granted she didn't like it but she accepted it in the long run), and let him parade around as a superhero.
She only "let" him because Gohan stood up for himself. Superhero? You make it sound like Gohan was on some mission of self glorification or he was just playing around. He went because he wanted to help his friends.
I was referring him being Great Saiyaman.

Also, I did acknowledge that she didn't agree at first (until he speaks his stance) and that was because of the year of stress from not knowing he was going through the entire time and not wanting to put up with two more months of it (at least that's I got from the anime version; correct me if you can but if not then don't speak).
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Post by ABED » Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:08 pm

that was because of the year of stress from not knowing he was going through the entire time and not wanting to put up with two more months of it
That's debatable. If that's how you see the scene, fine, but even if she hadn't been through hell that year, she would have been against it. As for the Great Saiyaman thing, we weren't talking about that time in Gohan's life. If we were, by then, Goku's death got to her.

Random, I'm not arguing that she didn't have a right to worry about her son, but it's not like she never showed irrational desires to make Gohan do whatever she wanted or thought he should. Even if Piccolo wasn't part of the equation, she still wouldn't want him to go.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kid Buu » Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:13 pm

I wouldn't let my 5 year old son go to outerspace either; especially if he was kidnapped away from me and I hadn't seen him in a year.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.

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Post by ABED » Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:16 pm

Kid Buu wrote:I wouldn't let my 5 year old son go to outerspace either; especially if he was kidnapped away from me and I hadn't seen him in a year.
Would you make him study all the time? Would you try to determine his career for him? Would you show disregard for the child's father after a hellacious battle?
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:20 pm

ABED wrote:
Kid Buu wrote:I wouldn't let my 5 year old son go to outerspace either; especially if he was kidnapped away from me and I hadn't seen him in a year.
Would you make him study all the time? Would you try to determine his career for him? Would you show disregard for the child's father after a hellacious battle?
To be fair. Gohan did become a scholar and seemed to enjoy that much more than fighting. And when the time was needed Chi Chi did let Gohan fight. I'm sure Chi Chi is more worried about her SON that is only 5 years old getting his ass kicked and she haven't seen him in a year(And was taken by some Demon that's the son of a monster that killed many fighters) than her husband who used to fighting and have been in some bad condition before. Hell I would ignore Goku as well.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kid Buu » Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:21 pm

Wasn't it Gohan's own idea to become a scholar?

And yeah, I'd be more concerned on my 5 year old being beaten up than my husband who actually enjoys that stuff anyway.
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