How fast is Goku?

[EvolutionStorm75]

Goku had already reached lightspeed during the cell games

[Rocketman]

If they are moving faster than sound, where are the sonic booms?

[flashback0180]

If they are moving faster than sound, where are the sonic booms?

Normal science doesn't apply in dbz, If it did Freeza wouldn't be able to talk in space (when he was blown into pieces )

Nappa was faster than the fighter jets ,


Anyway burter has already stated he was faster than light in cannon manga . You can't just ignore it.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

If they are moving faster than sound, where are the sonic booms?

Where are the tsunamis after Kame-sennin, and later Piccolo, destroyed the moon?

[Polyphase Avatron]

If they are moving faster than sound, where are the sonic booms?

Normal science doesn't apply in dbz

True, but that also means we can't know how fast they are.

Anyway burter has already stated he was faster than light in cannon manga . You can't just ignore it.

I think that was a mistranslation. The original just has him saying that he is the fastest in the universe (which is obviously not true, come to think of it, even only as far as he knows).

[Rocketman]

Where are the tsunamis after Kame-sennin, and later Piccolo, destroyed the moon?

DB's Moon is much smaller and closer to its planet than ours is, so the effect on the tides was apparently minor.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Where are the tsunamis after Kame-sennin, and later Piccolo, destroyed the moon?

DB's Moon is much smaller and closer to its planet than ours is, so the effect on the tides was apparently minor.

Was that stated anywhere?

[dbgtFO]

No, he is determining it from that one panel, when Goku takes Boss Rabbit/Ninjinka(?) and co. to the moon.

[Polyphase Avatron]

I always just saw taking BR to the moon as a gag thing, after all it was established later that Goku can't breathe in space.

[Kakarot88]

Where are the tsunamis after Kame-sennin, and later Piccolo, destroyed the moon?

DB's Moon is much smaller and closer to its planet than ours is, so the effect on the tides was apparently minor.

Was that stated anywhere?

No, it was most definitely not stated that "DB's Moon is much smaller and closer to its planet than ours is"
and in fact Toriyama said the moon is the same distance and size as our Earth's Moon:

Size:

Q:When Goku took the Carrotizer Bunny to the moon, why didn’t he turn into an Ōzaru?
A:That’s because he won’t transform unless it’s a full moon, and at the time it was only a half moon. Even up close, a half moon is still a half moon.

from Dragon Ball Adventure Special

Distance:

Akira Toriyama's "ASK ME ANYTHING" Corner.
Akira Toriyama answers questions sent in by his Japanese Dragon Ball readers that began in the first volume of the manga and ended in the 12th volume. Check out the other questions in Kanzenshuu's manga guide.

Dragon Ball's Earth's Moon is supposed to be the same in size, distance and durability as the Moon in our real world.

[Rocketman]

And yet, it isn't. It looms huge in the sky, its horizon curves too sharply, it has no major effect on the tides, and lunar rubble doesn't rain down on the Earth.

Dragonball's Moon orbits ten times closer to its parent than our Moon does.

The real Earth viewed from the Moon:


DB's Earth viewed from its Moon:


A screenshot from a space simulator I modified to move the Moon to 25,000 miles from Earth.


You can also see that the curvature of DB's Moon is much more pronounced than ours, meaning DB's Moon is smaller.

Goo goo ga joob.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Personally it makes sense to just ignore the whole rabbit to the moon scene if you want to seriously think about these things.

[Kakarot88]

And yet, it isn't. It looms huge in the sky, its horizon curves too sharply, it has no major effect on the tides, and lunar rubble doesn't rain down on the Earth.
...
Dragonball's Moon orbits ten times closer to its parent than our Moon does.
...
Goo goo ga joob.

This is all very interesting, I had no idea that you knew more about the artist's art and story than he did. I wish you could have done the interviews rather than, Dragon Ball creator Akira Toriyama, since you clearly know more about what goes on in his head than he does. Seriously, you even have numbers like "ten times closer" and all sorts of non manga related proof to bolster your point. All I presented was what the author said about his drawings and his story.

[Rocketman]

Ten times closer is because the Moon is 240,000 miles away, and I moved it to 25,000 miles away in the simulator.

This is all very interesting, I had no idea that you knew more about the artist's art and story than he did. I wish you could have done the interviews rather than, Dragon Ball creator Akira Toriyama, since you clearly know more about what goes on in his head than he does. Seriously, you even have numbers like "ten times closer" and all sorts of non manga related proof to bolster your point. All I presented was what the author said about his drawings and his story.

The author's words outside of the work are overridden by the work itself.

[RandomGuy96]

Ten times closer is because the Moon is 240,000 miles away, and I moved it to 25,000 miles away in the simulator.

This is all very interesting, I had no idea that you knew more about the artist's art and story than he did. I wish you could have done the interviews rather than, Dragon Ball creator Akira Toriyama, since you clearly know more about what goes on in his head than he does. Seriously, you even have numbers like "ten times closer" and all sorts of non manga related proof to bolster your point. All I presented was what the author said about his drawings and his story.

The author's words outside of the work are overridden by the work itself.

Okay Rocketman, now you're just getting nitpicky. Inconsistent scale in a drawing overrides the direct words of the author? I don't know of any franchise where that is the case.

[Kakarot88]

Ten times closer is because the Moon is 240,000 miles away, and I moved it to 25,000 miles away in the simulator.

This is all very interesting, I had no idea that you knew more about the artist's art and story than he did. I wish you could have done the interviews rather than, Dragon Ball creator Akira Toriyama, since you clearly know more about what goes on in his head than he does. Seriously, you even have numbers like "ten times closer" and all sorts of non manga related proof to bolster your point. All I presented was what the author said about his drawings and his story.

The author's words outside of the work are overridden by the work itself.

Interesting, so your argument is that the drawings contradict the author, so again you know more than he does.
In order for there to be a contradiction (as you claim) we must assume that Toriyama drew the moon and Earth to scale, otherwise the drawings themselves would be irrelevant as to why it looks to be a difference in distance (ie because it does not meet the scale you created).

However, Akira Toriyama says he does not draw things to scale, and sets the story in worlds that aren't really anywhere. Please see Daizenshuu 4 Super Interview

Q:Why do you choose to set them in worlds that aren’t really anywhere?
A: In the end, because it’s easy. Basically with everything, I choose my criteria based on what can be easy. If I made the real world the setting, I’d have to draw looking at reference materials, for stuff like buildings and vehicles. When you do that, people complain even if it’s just a little bit off.

But, hey you must know more that the artist, seeing as how you fall into that category of people [who] complain even if it’s just a little bit off..

In Sum: The author tells you stuff is not drawn to scale and then later gives you the scale, but somehow that cannot be right, after all you know better than the artist, riiiiight?

[mmg86]

The author is always right, no matter how off what he says might sound. So, sorry Rocketman, but your theory (despite making A LOT more sense than having the Moon be the same as ours) isnt correct. It would be the same if you claimed that the given height/weight of the characters is wrong because "they look taller/shorter/too skinny/too musclebound, the given numbers dont fit!"...

[Rocketman]

Okay Rocketman, now you're just getting nitpicky. Inconsistent scale in a drawing overrides the direct words of the author? I don't know of any franchise where that is the case.

It's not inconsistent, though. Every shot of the Moon is consistent with it being very close to the Earth.

[RandomGuy96]

Okay Rocketman, now you're just getting nitpicky. Inconsistent scale in a drawing overrides the direct words of the author? I don't know of any franchise where that is the case.

It's not inconsistent, though. Every shot of the Moon is consistent with it being very close to the Earth.

It's inconsistent with what the author states. The artist failing to properly depict scale (a flaw he himself has admitted) should not override direct statements about in-universe facts from the author.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Anyone else up for just ignoring the whole rabbit scene? It's one of the most inconsistent things in the manga.