"(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

[DBZGTKOSDH]

About Bardock, I don't see anything unrealistic with him getting SS2, or even SS3 or SS4 (not to mention SS in the first place). I mean, these forms are not supposed to be unnatural or something, and Bardock was shown to be a gifted warrior since the TV Special (a low-class warrior with a BP close to 10.000). I mean, the whole point of Goku managing to transform in all these forms wasn't because he was gifted, but because he worked hard to get stronger. Sure, Bardock doesn't have gods to train him, or gravity rooms, or RoSaT, or means to draw out his dormant power, or senzu & healing rooms to abuse the near-death power-ups, but these things only helped Goku to reach the level he is in the end much faster than normally. Bardock could still have many years in his life ahead, and it's even possible that there could be many strong guys to challenge him in space.

But on the other hand... do we really need to see him in these forms? Personally, I'm only interested to see him (and even... everyone) as a Super Saiyan 4, because it's the only form that is unique for everyone (unique colors, and the outfits change). BUT, I would prefer to keep the forms in what-ifs, and not give them specials. I wouldn't mind to see even Raditz & Nappa in SS-SS4, but keep them as what-ifs.

Finally, I don't believe that giving Bardock Super Saiyan (and now Super Saiyan 2) ruined the character. What ruined him was the fact that he survived, that's my issue. But I can live with it.

[Hellspawn28]

I don't like the idea of Bardock going SSj3, but he's likely going to turn SSj3 in DBH.

[KentalSSJ6]

I don't like the idea of Bardock going SSj3, but he's likely going to turn SSj3 in DBH.

Seeing as more Episode of Bardock related material is coming, I think its safe to say its gonna happen sooner or later, depending on the reception the manga gets.

Not to sound mean but I hope it flops. Bardock getting SSJ1 was already unneeded to begin with. Now we got SSJ2, we dont need SSJ3, 4, and god thrown into the mix.

[Hellspawn28]

I won't mind SSj Bardock if it was a video game thing only. We didn't need a OVA and manga to be made just because kids can buy the card of the character. EOB is one of the worst written DBZ things in a while in my opinion next to the plot in Shin Budokai 2.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

One can argue that Bardock surviving ruins his character, and it would be a valid opinion to have, but it also doesn't mean any future story with him is automatically terrible because of that. Episode of Bardock though, at worst, shares the same general flaw as GT: decent concept, but poor execution.

One of the best things about Bardock was the tragedy of his futile struggle against Freeza. Still, I thoroughly enjoy the idea of Bardock's various fates in both Episode of Bardock and Online, but I'm more than willing to admit that the former isn't executed all that well. Not sure if I would blame that on Ooishi's skills as an author or if it may be attributed to editor imposed guidelines...

[Gyt Kaliba]

Not sure if I would blame that on Ooishi's skills as an author or if it may be attributed to editor imposed guidelines...

I'd be willing to bet that could easily be the case, given the thing about an editor axing her idea for how Cell would poop out 18 in SD. It seems like they're not really letting her have too much free reign really.

[KentalSSJ6]

Not sure if I would blame that on Ooishi's skills as an author or if it may be attributed to editor imposed guidelines...

I'd be willing to bet that could easily be the case, given the thing about an editor axing her idea for how Cell would poop out 18 in SD. It seems like they're not really letting her have too much free reign really.

Editors can be a real annoyance. For example Tite Kubo's editor having him write out Chizuru in Bleach for being "too" openly gay or having him bring Byakuya back due to fan backlash (yet nobody complained over Yamamoto?).

I get they can be a big help but at times I wish editors didn't exist for manga.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I get they can be a big help but at times I wish editors didn't exist for manga.

Go back and remember that if it wasn't for the editors, the main villains of Cell arc would be #19 & #20, and #16, #17, #18, and Cell would never exist.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I'd be willing to bet that could easily be the case, given the thing about an editor axing her idea for how Cell would poop out 18 in SD. It seems like they're not really letting her have too much free reign really.

Yeah, that's why I brought that up. It seems like Toyble is getting a lot more freedom with his Victory Mission work than she has been allowed with anything. Her Episode of Bardock manga feels like it was created based off of editor guidelines, almost to the point where I wonder if it was originally planned for Saikyo Jump (which it did for a Chapter 1 reprint) instead of running in V-Jump. It seems so watered down compared to past material, in almost every aspect, almost as if it were actually aiming for that younger Saikyo Jump audience. For example; Freeza's attack never even hits Bardock in the manga adaptation, Chilled's soldiers lacked arm blasters in the manga but were given them later in the anime, Bardock's kinda new nice guy attitude. Chilled impaling his grunt is kind of an outlier here, but that could have been because they already knew they were switching magazines by the time she was working on that point of the story, which would make it too late to salvage the watered down set from the first chapter.

Just kinda how it feels to me, though I'm probably completely wrong.

Go back and remember that if it wasn't for the editors, the main villains of Cell arc would be #19 & #20, and #16, #17, #18, and Cell would never exist.

I would be more than okay with that. Sure, I'd miss Cell's first form, but it's a sacrifice I'd me willing to make if it would mean getting rid of all the tonal and character clusterfucks in that arc.

[Saiga]

Editors can be a real annoyance. For example Tite Kubo's editor having him write out Chizuru in Bleach for being "too" openly gay or having him bring Byakuya back due to fan backlash (yet nobody complained over Yamamoto?).

I get they can be a big help but at times I wish editors didn't exist for manga.

Both of those are unfounded rumour. Especially since Chizuru was never explicitly written out, she just didn't show up in the Fullbring arc for some reason. But I would think if she was forced out of the story by editors it would've happened sooner than volume 48 which was her last appearance.

[Hellspawn28]

I get they can be a big help but at times I wish editors didn't exist for manga.

Go back and remember that if it wasn't for the editors, the main villains of Cell arc would be #19 & #20, and #16, #17, #18, and Cell would never exist.

Or the series could have ended much sooner then later. AT would have ended the series anytime he wanted if his editors didn't made him keep it going. I'm happy how things are today.

[Travis Touchdown]

I'm kinda shocked they have Bardock SSJ2 instead in SSJ3. I mean I know it's the next level and all, but that didn't stop them from skipping SSJ2 with other characters.

[KentalSSJ6]

I just realized something. We still dont have End of Z Goten and Trunks yet do we?

In fact, have we EVER gotten them in any DBZ game yet?

[JeffJarrett]

I just realized something. We still dont have End of Z Goten and Trunks yet do we?

In fact, have we EVER gotten them in any DBZ game yet?

They're in Buu's Fury: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwOM7fGomPM

[Hellspawn28]

That hardly counts. I think he means that they have yet to be playable characters in a video game.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Some news about the Episode of Bardock "Super Kanzenban" in next month's Saikyo Jump, but there probably isn't any new information here:

[TheGmGoken]

I get they can be a big help but at times I wish editors didn't exist for manga.

Go back and remember that if it wasn't for the editors, the main villains of Cell arc would be #19 & #20, and #16, #17, #18, and Cell would never exist.

All 5 of them are more fun and interesting than Cell.

[miguelnuva1]

I get they can be a big help but at times I wish editors didn't exist for manga.

Go back and remember that if it wasn't for the editors, the main villains of Cell arc would be #19 & #20, and #16, #17, #18, and Cell would never exist.

All 5 of them are more fun and interesting than Cell.

I don't think any villain after Freeza holds a candle to 1st form Cell. I think 1st from should have been the perfect form and make the perfect from either the first or second form.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I don't think any villain after Freeza holds a candle to 1st form Cell. I think 1st from should have been the perfect form and make the perfect from either the first or second form.

What made 1st form Cell great was his design, combo'd with his sneaky and smart personality at the time. Even if you swap the designs around though, there would be no reason for him to retain that personality that made him so great after he attains perfection. So, I think that would actually ruin anything good Cell had going for him all together, at least for me.

[jollyr]

I don't think any villain after Freeza holds a candle to 1st form Cell. I think 1st from should have been the perfect form and make the perfect from either the first or second form.

What made 1st form Cell great was his design, combo'd with his sneaky and smart personality at the time. Even if you swap the designs around though, there would be no reason for him to retain that personality that made him so great after he attains perfection. So, I think that would actually ruin anything good Cell had going for him all together, at least for me.

I agree and I think Cell is one of the best examples of real character development in the series, next to the likes of Vegeta and Piccolo (and Future Trunks and Gohan). The way his personality evolved was cool. I think the whole android arc was the best of the series and IMO Cell has the best backstory of all the villains. Its cool how the Cell we're familiar with is actually from a different future and I don't know I just like the whole story of all the characters introduced during that time. It all felt really well thought out, sort of like introducing Frieza through the Saiyans and tying them together. I love how he chose to have the androids come from the Red Ribbon Army. The Buu saga felt a little random to me compared to how closely all the other villains were tied to the past/future but I guess realistically not every villain would have existing ties to the characters, it just didn't feel as well planned