Why are Goku & Chi-Chi the only flawed parents of the show??

[MediaFanGirl93]

I saw it as a comment on Youtube. I do agree that #18 is the only female character who rarely get bashed. This may be understandable, as she is the only female character that Funimation didn't fuck over and she's the least hostile female character (no offense to the people who like the other female characters. Also, I think Funimation hates the other females and Yamcha). I do notice that Chi-Chi, Videl, and Lunch aren't that well-liked by the fans either (I like them though).

Also, why don't you think Bulma is a good mother???

I agree with #18 being the only one immune to FUNimation's bad scripting in the past but I don't if you can say #18 is less hostile. I mean, she shut Kuririn down near the end of the Cell Games... but then again Kuririn isn't a Saiyan so no one really cares. Also, I like Chi-Chi and Videl too. Don't care much about Lunch.

The reason I don't consider her a good mother is because outside if her extreme wealth, she seems to lack the full discipline of a good parent. I mean, she drove head first towards a dangerous spot without regards to her baby's safety just because she wanted to see Artificial Human action. She's not a bad mother either, though.

I do agree that with #18, she isn't shown getting angry as much, but I do agree that while #18 doesn't have a temper or complain, she did play the "domineering wife" role with Krillin and Krillin is shown to be whipped by her. I do agree with her shooting down Krillin at the end of the Cell arc because that was a b*tchy thing to do, because Krillin saved her life for crying out loud! I also remember her being hostile about Krillin entering the tournament in the Saiyaman Arc. I like Chi-Chi, Videl, and Lunch (it's okay if you don't like her). I do believe that some of the hate Chi-Chi gets is far too much, even though it's completely understandable why fans say she's annoying and a B*tch (because of the anime, when she's chill in the manga).

I also agree with you for Bulma. I don't think she's a terrible mother either, but she does have her flaws. Like you said, she was pretty reckless with Baby Trunks, and she does spoil the Main Timeline Trunks. I won't say the same for Bulla/Bra because GT isn't canon.

Does anyone think Future Bulma is one of the only good mothers or is it just me?

[DBZAOTA482]

I don't even remember Yamcha interacting with adult Chichi and #18 outside of filler.

Also I don't like how Toriyama said in that interview that Yamcha was still nervous around girls when his character arc was overcoming that.

Yamcha was talking with Chi-Chi when they were tending to the sick, bed-ridden Goku and Chi-Chi was concerned if Yamcha would participate in the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai.

[Saiga]

And keep in mind in his first appearance Yamcha ran away after seeing a girl. So even standing around casually them shows there must be some improvement.

Toriyama's comment does seem a little contradictory to what we see after the first arc, hell it even makes it sound like he's still nervous around Bulma. It's just bizarre. The host club comment might still fit, though, if you assume the environment of the host club made things more difficult for him.

[Ninja Murasaki]

Toriyama's comment does seem a little contradictory to what we see after the first arc, hell it even makes it sound like he's still nervous around Bulma. It's just bizarre. The host club comment might still fit, though, if you assume the environment of the host club made things more difficult for him.

From what I gather, its nervous around women he's not super familiar with in romantic or sexual situations.

Chi-Chi was somehow he'd known a while, and wasn't in a romantic/sexual situation with him.

[Saiga]

That's not really how the first arc portrays it. He is afraid of Bulma just by seeing her the first time, without being put in a romantic situation with her. And after spending some time with her, he then has no problem dating her at the end.

[Ninja Murasaki]

That's not really how the first arc portrays it. He is afraid of Bulma just by seeing her the first time, without being put in a romantic situation with her. And after spending some time with her, he then has no problem dating her at the end.

And the few times, we do see Yamcha with another female in a romantic/sexual situation like that he freaks out. It says so in one of the Original DragonBall guides released as the series was ongoing.

[Saiga]

But there's only the one example in the manga, which shows it's not just about being put in those situations. He goes for being scared of even being around women to being able to be around them without worries - so at the very least there is some improvement for him. He also shows that given time, he can be perfectly comfortable in a relationship with a woman, and it stands to reason that Bulma is not the only one this can potentially happen with.

[Ninja Murasaki]

he can be perfectly comfortable in a relationship with a woman, and it stands to reason that Bulma is not the only one this can potentially happen with.

Yeah, but it would take time and commitment for Yamcha to get used to a female romantically.

[MediaFanGirl93]

It amazes me how people defend Bulma's actions in her relationship with Yamcha. Let's face it, she wasn't a saint. I mean, if you noticed, Bulma always flirted with other guys and then when a female even looked at Yamcha, then Bulma would act as though Yamcha was the devil. I don't think the fandom would accept this scenario if the genders were reversed. Bulma was kind of a hypocrite in that relationship, even though I don't hate her.

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Also, let's get back on topic. I think Vegeta in the Cell Saga was far worse than Goku and Chi-Chi when it came to being a parent. I mean, look at Vegeta's treatment towards Future Trunks. Which parents constantly hits his/her child without any provocation. If either Goku, Chi-Chi or Bulma did that to their kids, then the fandom would never live that one down and they would be deemed as the worse parents of that show.

[SaiyanZ]

Vegeta < Piccolo < Goku < Krillin as a father

[ChiChiFan]

I laugh at some fans who say Vegeta was a better father than Goku. Goku wasn't the best and perfect father but he was a better father than Vegeta will ever be. Vegeta does stick around longer than Goku but that's it. I don't see him give affection towards his kids like I do with Goku. I think fans tend to make up excuses for Vegeta's behavior and find some type of flaw in Goku. Goku made some mistakes but he did love kids and risked his life twice to save Gohan. If people can call Goku on his bullshit, the same should be said for Vegeta.

ChiChi can be overprotective with Gohan but I do think she wanted what was best for him. Even though she didn't agree with Gohan fighting, she still let him fight whenever trouble was involved. I will never understand why ChiChi gets so much hate.

[MediaFanGirl93]

I laugh at some fans who say Vegeta was a better father than Goku. Goku wasn't the best and perfect father but he was a better father than Vegeta will ever be. Vegeta does stick around longer than Goku but that's it. I don't see him give affection towards his kids like I do with Goku. I think fans tend to make up excuses for Vegeta's behavior and find some type of flaw in Goku. Goku made some mistakes but he did love kids and risked his life twice to save Gohan. If people can call Goku on his bullshit, the same should be said for Vegeta.

ChiChi can be overprotective with Gohan but I do think she wanted what was best for him. Even though she didn't agree with Gohan fighting, she still let him fight whenever trouble was involved. I will never understand why ChiChi gets so much hate.

To me, neither Goku or Vegeta will be winning any Parents of the Year awards because they both get called out on their parental mishaps, so they both lose out. Vegeta was too much of an asshole towards his kids, while Goku was too neglectful sometimes and made a few bad decisions with his kids. I think the only decent fathers on the show are Krillin and Gohan, because although Gohan was far too lenient on Pan, he is a better dad than Goku and Vegeta in my book.

The problem with the Chi-Chi hating is that the English dub exaggerated her overprotective annoyingness and tried to make her as unlikable as possible, when really, I think she's chill in the manga and Japanese version of the show (I'm currently reading the manga and I think she's cool there). Honestly, I can understand if people dislike her for being annoying, but I hate when fans try to call her an awful mother/person. She's a flawed tiger mom, yes, but she's not a terrible mother since she's better than other animated mothers.

[DBZAOTA482]

I laugh at some fans who say Vegeta was a better father than Goku. Goku wasn't the best and perfect father but he was a better father than Vegeta will ever be. Vegeta does stick around longer than Goku but that's it. I don't see him give affection towards his kids like I do with Goku. I think fans tend to make up excuses for Vegeta's behavior and find some type of flaw in Goku. Goku made some mistakes but he did love kids and risked his life twice to save Gohan. If people can call Goku on his bullshit, the same should be said for Vegeta.

ChiChi can be overprotective with Gohan but I do think she wanted what was best for him. Even though she didn't agree with Gohan fighting, she still let him fight whenever trouble was involved. I will never understand why ChiChi gets so much hate.

To me, neither Goku or Vegeta will be winning any Parents of the Year awards because they both get called out on their parental mishaps, so they both lose out. Vegeta was too much of an asshole towards his kids, while Goku was too neglectful sometimes and made a few bad decisions with his kids. I think the only decent fathers on the show are Krillin and Gohan, because although Gohan was far too lenient on Pan, he is a better dad than Goku and Vegeta in my book.

The problem with the Chi-Chi hating is that the English dub exaggerated her overprotective annoyingness and tried to make her as unlikable as possible, when really, I think she's chill in the manga and Japanese version of the show (I'm currently reading the manga and I think she's cool there). Honestly, I can understand if people dislike her for being annoying, but I hate when fans try to call her an awful mother/person. She's a flawed tiger mom, yes, but she's not a terrible mother since she's better than other animated mothers.

I don't think you could really say that. Even in the Japanese version she's still flanderized to some extent.

[MediaFanGirl93]

I laugh at some fans who say Vegeta was a better father than Goku. Goku wasn't the best and perfect father but he was a better father than Vegeta will ever be. Vegeta does stick around longer than Goku but that's it. I don't see him give affection towards his kids like I do with Goku. I think fans tend to make up excuses for Vegeta's behavior and find some type of flaw in Goku. Goku made some mistakes but he did love kids and risked his life twice to save Gohan. If people can call Goku on his bullshit, the same should be said for Vegeta.

ChiChi can be overprotective with Gohan but I do think she wanted what was best for him. Even though she didn't agree with Gohan fighting, she still let him fight whenever trouble was involved. I will never understand why ChiChi gets so much hate.

To me, neither Goku or Vegeta will be winning any Parents of the Year awards because they both get called out on their parental mishaps, so they both lose out. Vegeta was too much of an asshole towards his kids, while Goku was too neglectful sometimes and made a few bad decisions with his kids. I think the only decent fathers on the show are Krillin and Gohan, because although Gohan was far too lenient on Pan, he is a better dad than Goku and Vegeta in my book.

The problem with the Chi-Chi hating is that the English dub exaggerated her overprotective annoyingness and tried to make her as unlikable as possible, when really, I think she's chill in the manga and Japanese version of the show (I'm currently reading the manga and I think she's cool there). Honestly, I can understand if people dislike her for being annoying, but I hate when fans try to call her an awful mother/person. She's a flawed tiger mom, yes, but she's not a terrible mother since she's better than other animated mothers.

I don't think you could really say that. Even in the Japanese version she's still flanderized to some extent.

I kind of agree, because the filler scenes with her being obnoxious is still there. In the manga, most of her bad moments are gone, which makes me enjoy her a lot there. The sad thing is that all the Chi-Chi hate could have been avoided.

[ChiChiFan]

I laugh at some fans who say Vegeta was a better father than Goku. Goku wasn't the best and perfect father but he was a better father than Vegeta will ever be. Vegeta does stick around longer than Goku but that's it. I don't see him give affection towards his kids like I do with Goku. I think fans tend to make up excuses for Vegeta's behavior and find some type of flaw in Goku. Goku made some mistakes but he did love kids and risked his life twice to save Gohan. If people can call Goku on his bullshit, the same should be said for Vegeta.

ChiChi can be overprotective with Gohan but I do think she wanted what was best for him. Even though she didn't agree with Gohan fighting, she still let him fight whenever trouble was involved. I will never understand why ChiChi gets so much hate.

To me, neither Goku or Vegeta will be winning any Parents of the Year awards because they both get called out on their parental mishaps, so they both lose out. Vegeta was too much of an asshole towards his kids, while Goku was too neglectful sometimes and made a few bad decisions with his kids. I think the only decent fathers on the show are Krillin and Gohan, because although Gohan was far too lenient on Pan, he is a better dad than Goku and Vegeta in my book.

The problem with the Chi-Chi hating is that the English dub exaggerated her overprotective annoyingness and tried to make her as unlikable as possible, when really, I think she's chill in the manga and Japanese version of the show (I'm currently reading the manga and I think she's cool there). Honestly, I can understand if people dislike her for being annoying, but I hate when fans try to call her an awful mother/person. She's a flawed tiger mom, yes, but she's not a terrible mother since she's better than other animated mothers.

Neither one are great parents but I do see fans thinking Vegeta was the better father than Goku and will make up excuses while criticize everything Goku has done. Gohan would be the only good parent on DBZ.

While I like the English dub, I agree that the dub made ChiChi to be this overprotective bitch and always nagging. I think ChiChi is a good mother to Gohan and a better mother to Goten because she wasn't as uptight and over the top so you do see some development in her. I just hate that most female characters on DBZ are either bitches or weak.

[superfunk]

I laugh at some fans who say Vegeta was a better father than Goku. Goku wasn't the best and perfect father but he was a better father than Vegeta will ever be. Vegeta does stick around longer than Goku but that's it. I don't see him give affection towards his kids like I do with Goku. I think fans tend to make up excuses for Vegeta's behavior and find some type of flaw in Goku. Goku made some mistakes but he did love kids and risked his life twice to save Gohan. If people can call Goku on his bullshit, the same should be said for Vegeta.

ChiChi can be overprotective with Gohan but I do think she wanted what was best for him. Even though she didn't agree with Gohan fighting, she still let him fight whenever trouble was involved. I will never understand why ChiChi gets so much hate.

It is justifiable to say vegeta is a better father than goku, atleast post cell. Goku is just a nicer person than vegeta, which doesn't mean he's a better parent. In that latest super Q&A Toriyama himself says that goku sees chi chi, gohan and goten as companions and not family members, while vegeta actually sees bulma and trunks as his wife and son in a traditional sense. I am not saying vegeta isn't a flawed parent because he is, but he is less flawed than goku.

[ChiChiFan]

I laugh at some fans who say Vegeta was a better father than Goku. Goku wasn't the best and perfect father but he was a better father than Vegeta will ever be. Vegeta does stick around longer than Goku but that's it. I don't see him give affection towards his kids like I do with Goku. I think fans tend to make up excuses for Vegeta's behavior and find some type of flaw in Goku. Goku made some mistakes but he did love kids and risked his life twice to save Gohan. If people can call Goku on his bullshit, the same should be said for Vegeta.

ChiChi can be overprotective with Gohan but I do think she wanted what was best for him. Even though she didn't agree with Gohan fighting, she still let him fight whenever trouble was involved. I will never understand why ChiChi gets so much hate.

It is justifiable to say vegeta is a better father than goku, atleast post cell. Goku is just a nicer person than vegeta, which doesn't mean he's a better parent. In that latest super Q&A Toriyama himself says that goku sees chi chi, gohan and goten as companions and not family members, while vegeta actually sees bulma and trunks as his wife and son in a traditional sense. I am not saying vegeta isn't a flawed parent because he is, but he is less flawed than goku.

Vegeta may care about his family but I don't see him show any affection towards his family like with Goku. I can acknowledge that Goku is a flawed parent and didn't make the best decisions but as a father, I think he's better than Vegeta.

[superfunk]

.[/quote]

Vegeta may care about his family but I don't see him show any affection towards his family like with Goku. I can acknowledge that Goku is a flawed parent and didn't make the best decisions but as a father, I think he's better than Vegeta.[/quote] vegeta probably shows more affection than goku to his family. Hes there for one, he trains his son and even takes him to recreational visits to the amusement park. He hugged his son and told him to take good care of his mother before sacrificing himself for his family. Vegeta is shown to be upset when he finds out bulma is dead and even agrees to fuse thinking it would be permanent. If you count BOG vegeta shows allot of affection for bulma. When buu destroys the earth goku saves mr satan and dende instead of his sons, hes shown to not really care while vegeta gets upset with him for letting their sons die. There is no difference in the affection goku shows his friends to the affection he shows his family and often shows more to his friends. As I said goku is the better person, vegeta is a better family man, but thats not saying allot.

[MediaFanGirl93]

I laugh at some fans who say Vegeta was a better father than Goku. Goku wasn't the best and perfect father but he was a better father than Vegeta will ever be. Vegeta does stick around longer than Goku but that's it. I don't see him give affection towards his kids like I do with Goku. I think fans tend to make up excuses for Vegeta's behavior and find some type of flaw in Goku. Goku made some mistakes but he did love kids and risked his life twice to save Gohan. If people can call Goku on his bullshit, the same should be said for Vegeta.

ChiChi can be overprotective with Gohan but I do think she wanted what was best for him. Even though she didn't agree with Gohan fighting, she still let him fight whenever trouble was involved. I will never understand why ChiChi gets so much hate.

To me, neither Goku or Vegeta will be winning any Parents of the Year awards because they both get called out on their parental mishaps, so they both lose out. Vegeta was too much of an asshole towards his kids, while Goku was too neglectful sometimes and made a few bad decisions with his kids. I think the only decent fathers on the show are Krillin and Gohan, because although Gohan was far too lenient on Pan, he is a better dad than Goku and Vegeta in my book.

The problem with the Chi-Chi hating is that the English dub exaggerated her overprotective annoyingness and tried to make her as unlikable as possible, when really, I think she's chill in the manga and Japanese version of the show (I'm currently reading the manga and I think she's cool there). Honestly, I can understand if people dislike her for being annoying, but I hate when fans try to call her an awful mother/person. She's a flawed tiger mom, yes, but she's not a terrible mother since she's better than other animated mothers.

Neither one are great parents but I do see fans thinking Vegeta was the better father than Goku and will make up excuses while criticize everything Goku has done. Gohan would be the only good parent on DBZ.

While I like the English dub, I agree that the dub made ChiChi to be this overprotective bitch and always nagging. I think ChiChi is a good mother to Gohan and a better mother to Goten because she wasn't as uptight and over the top so you do see some development in her. I just hate that most female characters on DBZ are either bitches or weak.

Yeah, Toriyama can't write females. Argue all you want guys, but he's not good at writing female characters.

Also, what about Krillin...the guy attempts to save his daughter, wife, and friends from the evil Majin Buu.

To me, the I think the only person Chi-Chi was really harsh to was Goku, and with Gohan, I felt she was being too over-assertive like most real life mothers are to their kids when they break a rule or get in trouble, not a bitch. I hate this double standard, that if a female is being over-assertive, she's called a b*tch.

The problem with fans saying Vegeta is a better father than Goku is that they try to whitewash his treatment of Future Trunks and all the bad things he did as a father. I did mention how Chi-Chi gets bashed for being assertive with Gohan, yet fans ignore and/or whitewash Vegeta's treatment of Future Trunks, which was far worse than what Chi-Chi (and goku) does with Gohan.

[ChiChiFan]

I totally agree with the double standard. Chichi didn't do half the things Vegeta did to Trunks and fans overlook that and that was my point. Chichi is called a bitch because she wants the best for her son and doesn't want him risking his life while Vegeta was a great father, even though he treated Trunks like shit and watched his wife almost get killed by Dr. Gero. Chichi can be overprotective but I do think she loves her son.

As for Krillin, I think he's a good father and husband. Him and Gohan are the best fathers in DBZ.